Fire Vigen

[Cowboy Junky]

Last I checked the object was to keep the opponent off-balance and throw in a wrinkle now and then.

Last I checked the object is to win. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

If we go on to win 10 games with a "vanilla offense," are you going to still call for the OC's head due to a lack of offensive wrinkles?

That's the easiest thing in the world to say. We're vanilla.

What does that mean exactly?

What plays should he call that aren't "Vanilla"?

Is the scheme "Vanilla" and we should change to a spread offense, like every other college in the country.

All these arm chair offensive coordinators have an infinite supply of criticism, but if you ask them for solutions, their buckets are completely empty of that. Their only answer for that is: Fire Vigen.

What plays should Vigen call.....experts of the o.c. world?

All of these Vigen critics have criticism, but no solutions.

What plays should Vigen be calling that's going to allow our team to beat Iowa on the road?

Hey coach Landry, I didn't "coin" the term vanilla. It came from Vigen and Bohl. [emoji23] lets chat after your big NFL game today, no actually after the Oregon game.


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Yeah, if you could fill in the gap between "We lost to Iowa" and "Fire Vigen" with something that sounds like a reasonable solution, then I might believe you more than I believe our head coach.

If not, just STFU and admit that you don't know the solution.....coach.

 

[Poke-proud]

Last I checked the object was to keep the opponent off-balance and throw in a wrinkle now and then.

Last I checked the object is to win. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

If we go on to win 10 games with a "vanilla offense," are you going to still call for the OC's head due to a lack of offensive wrinkles?

That's the easiest thing in the world to say. We're vanilla.

What does that mean exactly?

What plays should he call that aren't "Vanilla"?

Is the scheme "Vanilla" and we should change to a spread offense, like every other college in the country.

All these arm chair offensive coordinators have an infinite supply of criticism, but if you ask them for solutions, their buckets are completely empty of that. Their only answer for that is: Fire Vigen.

What plays should Vigen call.....experts of the o.c. world?

All of these Vigen critics have criticism, but no solutions.

What plays should Vigen be calling that's going to allow our team to beat Iowa on the road?

Hey coach Landry, I didn't "coin" the term vanilla. It came from Vigen and Bohl. [emoji23] lets chat after your big NFL game today, no actually after the Oregon game.


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Yeah, if you could fill in the gap between "We lost to Iowa" and "Fire Vigen" with something that sounds like a reasonable solution, then I might believe you more than I believe our head coach.

If not, just STFU and admit that you don't know the solution.....coach.

OK, coach Landry - will do. You probably should head out to the sidelines now.


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[Cowboy Junky]

Last I checked the object was to keep the opponent off-balance and throw in a wrinkle now and then.

Last I checked the object is to win. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

If we go on to win 10 games with a "vanilla offense," are you going to still call for the OC's head due to a lack of offensive wrinkles?

That's the easiest thing in the world to say. We're vanilla.

What does that mean exactly?

What plays should he call that aren't "Vanilla"?

Is the scheme "Vanilla" and we should change to a spread offense, like every other college in the country.

All these arm chair offensive coordinators have an infinite supply of criticism, but if you ask them for solutions, their buckets are completely empty of that. Their only answer for that is: Fire Vigen.

What plays should Vigen call.....experts of the o.c. world?

All of these Vigen critics have criticism, but no solutions.

What plays should Vigen be calling that's going to allow our team to beat Iowa on the road?

He coach Landry, I didn't "coin" the term vanilla. It came from Vegan and Bohl.


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You're the one pretending to know more than our coaches. I'm not. I trust Vigen and Bohl.

So, what's the solution then?

What plays would you call that are superior to those being called by Vigen and Bohl?

You must know what would be better than what Vigen is currently doing to know that he needs to be fired.

Oh I don't know, if you're playing against a "good D" aggressive D line, a simple screen every now and then might have been interesting against Iowa, but coach Landry you know, that's just opinion which you've already made clear that I don't have a right to have.


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They didn't run several screens to Austin Conway? We must have watched a different game. Or is it a different kind of screen.

DC was one hell of an o.c. He ran a screen every third play. Maybe we need to hire him as the o.c.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Last I checked the object was to keep the opponent off-balance and throw in a wrinkle now and then.

Last I checked the object is to win. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

If we go on to win 10 games with a "vanilla offense," are you going to still call for the OC's head due to a lack of offensive wrinkles?

That's the easiest thing in the world to say. We're vanilla.

What does that mean exactly?

What plays should he call that aren't "Vanilla"?

Is the scheme "Vanilla" and we should change to a spread offense, like every other college in the country.

All these arm chair offensive coordinators have an infinite supply of criticism, but if you ask them for solutions, their buckets are completely empty of that. Their only answer for that is: Fire Vigen.

What plays should Vigen call.....experts of the o.c. world?

All of these Vigen critics have criticism, but no solutions.

What plays should Vigen be calling that's going to allow our team to beat Iowa on the road?

Hey coach Landry, I didn't "coin" the term vanilla. It came from Vigen and Bohl. [emoji23] lets chat after your big NFL game today, no actually after the Oregon game.


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Yeah, if you could fill in the gap between "We lost to Iowa" and "Fire Vigen" with something that sounds like a reasonable solution, then I might believe you more than I believe our head coach.

If not, just STFU and admit that you don't know the solution.....coach.

OK, coach Landry - will do. You probably should head out to the sidelines now.


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Yes, I'm not part of the crowd pretending to be more qualified to run the Wyoming offense than Vigen:

YOU ARE....

coach.

 

[Poke-proud]

Last I checked the object was to keep the opponent off-balance and throw in a wrinkle now and then.

Last I checked the object is to win. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

If we go on to win 10 games with a "vanilla offense," are you going to still call for the OC's head due to a lack of offensive wrinkles?

That's the easiest thing in the world to say. We're vanilla.

What does that mean exactly?

What plays should he call that aren't "Vanilla"?

Is the scheme "Vanilla" and we should change to a spread offense, like every other college in the country.

All these arm chair offensive coordinators have an infinite supply of criticism, but if you ask them for solutions, their buckets are completely empty of that. Their only answer for that is: Fire Vigen.

What plays should Vigen call.....experts of the o.c. world?

All of these Vigen critics have criticism, but no solutions.

What plays should Vigen be calling that's going to allow our team to beat Iowa on the road?

He coach Landry, I didn't "coin" the term vanilla. It came from Vegan and Bohl.


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You're the one pretending to know more than our coaches. I'm not. I trust Vigen and Bohl.

So, what's the solution then?

What plays would you call that are superior to those being called by Vigen and Bohl?

You must know what would be better than what Vigen is currently doing to know that he needs to be fired.

Oh I don't know, if you're playing against a "good D" aggressive D line, a simple screen every now and then might have been interesting against Iowa, but coach Landry you know, that's just opinion which you've already made clear that I don't have a right to have.


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They didn't run several screens to Austin Conway? We must have watched a different game. Or is it a different kind of screen.

DC was one hell of an o.c. He ran a screen every third play. Maybe we need to hire him as the o.c.

Well there ya go Landry, a screen wouldn't-a worked. Now I can see why you are coaching in the NFL - and you've been soooo modest saying you didn't know anything about coaching.


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[Cowboy Junky]

Last I checked the object was to keep the opponent off-balance and throw in a wrinkle now and then.

Last I checked the object is to win. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

If we go on to win 10 games with a "vanilla offense," are you going to still call for the OC's head due to a lack of offensive wrinkles?

That's the easiest thing in the world to say. We're vanilla.

What does that mean exactly?

What plays should he call that aren't "Vanilla"?

Is the scheme "Vanilla" and we should change to a spread offense, like every other college in the country.

All these arm chair offensive coordinators have an infinite supply of criticism, but if you ask them for solutions, their buckets are completely empty of that. Their only answer for that is: Fire Vigen.

What plays should Vigen call.....experts of the o.c. world?

All of these Vigen critics have criticism, but no solutions.

What plays should Vigen be calling that's going to allow our team to beat Iowa on the road?

He coach Landry, I didn't "coin" the term vanilla. It came from Vegan and Bohl.


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You're the one pretending to know more than our coaches. I'm not. I trust Vigen and Bohl.

So, what's the solution then?

What plays would you call that are superior to those being called by Vigen and Bohl?

You must know what would be better than what Vigen is currently doing to know that he needs to be fired.

Oh I don't know, if you're playing against a "good D" aggressive D line, a simple screen every now and then might have been interesting against Iowa, but coach Landry you know, that's just opinion which you've already made clear that I don't have a right to have.


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They didn't run several screens to Austin Conway? We must have watched a different game. Or is it a different kind of screen.

DC was one hell of an o.c. He ran a screen every third play. Maybe we need to hire him as the o.c.

Well there ya go Landry, a screen wouldn't-a worked.


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Actually, it didn't work, not wouldn't have.....they called screen plays to Austin Conway.

 

[Poke-proud]

Last I checked the object was to keep the opponent off-balance and throw in a wrinkle now and then.

Last I checked the object is to win. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

If we go on to win 10 games with a "vanilla offense," are you going to still call for the OC's head due to a lack of offensive wrinkles?

That's the easiest thing in the world to say. We're vanilla.

What does that mean exactly?

What plays should he call that aren't "Vanilla"?

Is the scheme "Vanilla" and we should change to a spread offense, like every other college in the country.

All these arm chair offensive coordinators have an infinite supply of criticism, but if you ask them for solutions, their buckets are completely empty of that. Their only answer for that is: Fire Vigen.

What plays should Vigen call.....experts of the o.c. world?

All of these Vigen critics have criticism, but no solutions.

What plays should Vigen be calling that's going to allow our team to beat Iowa on the road?

He coach Landry, I didn't "coin" the term vanilla. It came from Vegan and Bohl.


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You're the one pretending to know more than our coaches. I'm not. I trust Vigen and Bohl.

So, what's the solution then?

What plays would you call that are superior to those being called by Vigen and Bohl?

You must know what would be better than what Vigen is currently doing to know that he needs to be fired.

Oh I don't know, if you're playing against a "good D" aggressive D line, a simple screen every now and then might have been interesting against Iowa, but coach Landry you know, that's just opinion which you've already made clear that I don't have a right to have.


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They didn't run several screens to Austin Conway? We must have watched a different game. Or is it a different kind of screen.

DC was one hell of an o.c. He ran a screen every third play. Maybe we need to hire him as the o.c.

Well there ya go Landry, a screen wouldn't-a worked.


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Actually, it didn't work, not wouldn't have.....they called screen plays to Austin Conway.

Gotcha Landry [emoji849]


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[Cowboy Junky]

Personally, I though they should have rolled Josh Allen out of the pocket more often and let him improvise.

I don't like that they've neutered his ability to create big plays from nothing.

That's what the NFL wants to see. They want to see him stay in the pocket.

I'm guessing our coaches didn't want to get him hurt in the first game of the season.

The difference, even though I think that would have helped, I'm not calling for Vigen to be fired, because I've never been a football coach and DON'T pretend to know more than Craig Bohl.

 

[Poke-proud]

Personally, I though they should have rolled Josh Allen out of the pocket more often and let him improvise.

I don't like that they've neutered his ability to create big plays from nothing.

That's what the NFL wants to see. They want to see him stay in the pocket.

I'm guessing our coaches didn't want to get him hurt in the first game of the season.

The difference, even though I think that would have helped, I'm not calling for Vigen to be fired, because I've never been a football coach and DON'T pretend to know more than Craig Bohl.

Seems like you risk getting him hurt running him up the middle - which was done a lot.


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[Poke-proud]

Hey Junky, no offense/ hard feelings.


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[Cowboy Junky]

Hey Junky, no offense/ hard feelings.


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Of course not.....This is a good debate. I like a good debate.

It's a weird set of circumstances this year that lead to an offense that is more disappointing than most Wyo fans expected.

Josh Allen has the potential to be the first pick in the draft. The NFL execs want to see him stay in the pocket, stop throwing across his body, dramatically increase his completion percentage, and eliminate the turnovers. Wyoming having the first pick in the draft would be marvelous for recruiting. That is a blessing and a curse. We scored a lot of touchdowns on the scramble drill last year. Neutering Josh's ability to create is limiting our offense, although it's good for the program in the long run. We need more big plays on offense. The NFL draft is not helping us with that.

That's part of it.

I think people are over-looking the loss of Russell Dennison. We lost ONE offensive linemen last year: Chase Roullier. I believe in our freshmen, but how did 2 true freshmen end up starting with all the linemen we had coming back? Why did our offensive line get worse in the off-season, with so much returning talent? Why did they move our best run blocking tackle to guard? Yes, Cummings doesn't have the lateral quickness to pass block without drawing metric ass tons of penalties. He should be able to run block at guard. I think a big part of that is the loss of Russell Dennison. We should be bigger and stronger and our offensive line has failed to establish the point of attack in the running game. Chase Roullier was the best linemen we had to pull and lead block. So far, we don't have anyone that can make up for that loss. If we can't establish the run, we're fucked. I haven't been impressed with the oline this year. Did they not work as hard as Russell made them work?

I thought we would be fine with running back by committee because I assumed our line would be creating huge holes. They aren't and the running backs aren't as good as Hill or Wick. The combination of poor line play and not as talented running backs, looks to be a complete inability to run the ball so far. Vigen's play calling won't help with that. There has to be a hole or none of his playbook works.

We're still a young team. We have nine seniors in this squad. We could use some veteran leadership on offense. We lost a ton of that last year with Gentry, Malhaurdt, Hollister, Hill and Roullier leaving.

We'll see. It's still too early in the season to tell, but it's not Brent Vigens playbook to blame for our offensive struggles. That might be a small part of it, but there's a lot more to it.

The good news: the defense looks great. Last year we had to score 35 to win. Now we probably only need to score 24 to win.

We'll see more as the season goes on, but if the offensive line isn't opening holes in the running game and our running backs aren't getting north and south, it could be a long season again.

 

[CowboyNV]

Hey Junky, no offense/ hard feelings.


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Of course not.....This is a good debate. I like a good debate.

It's a weird set of circumstances this year that lead to an offense that is more disappointing than most Wyo fans expected.

Josh Allen has the potential to be the first pick in the draft. The NFL execs want to see him stay in the pocket, stop throwing across his body, dramatically increase his completion percentage, and eliminate the turnovers. Wyoming having the first pick in the draft would be marvelous for recruiting. That is a blessing and a curse. We scored a lot of touchdowns on the scramble drill last year. Neutering Josh's ability to create is limiting our offense, although it's good for the program in the long run. We need more big plays on offense. The NFL draft is not helping us with that.

That's part of it.

I think people are over-looking the loss of Russell Dennison. We lost ONE offensive linemen last year: Chase Roullier. I believe in our freshmen, but how did 2 true freshmen end up starting with all the linemen we had coming back? Why did our offensive line get worse in the off-season, with so much returning talent? I think a big part of that is the loss of Russell Dennison. We should be bigger and stronger and our offensive line has failed to establish the point of attack in the running game. Chase Roullier was the best linemen we had to pull and lead block. So far, we don't have anyone that can make up for that loss. If we can't establish the run, we're fucked. I haven't been impressed with the oline this year. Did they not work as hard as Russell made them work?

I thought we would be fine with running back by committee because I assumed our line would be creating huge holes. They aren't and the running backs aren't as good as Hill or Wick. The combination of poor line play and not as talented running backs, looks to be a complete inability to run the ball so far. Vigen's play calling won't help with that. There has to be a hole or none of his playbook works.

We're still a young team. We have nine seniors in this squad. We could use some veteran leadership on offense. We lost a ton of that last year with Gentry, Malhaurdt, Hollister, Hill and Roullier leaving.

We'll see. It's still too early in the season to tell, but it's not Brent Vigens playbook to blame for our offensive struggles. That might be a small part of it, but there's a lot more to it.

The good news: the defense looks great. Last year we had to score 35 to win. Now we probably only need to score 24 to win.

We'll see more as the season goes on, but if the offensive line isn't opening holes in the running game and our running backs aren't getting north and south, it could be a long season again.

Very astute analysis CJ. This offense is predicated on having a running game. It's time these kids step up, both on the Oline and the running backs, and perform. Josh can't do it all, and if they try to turn him into the first option on the run, they will end up getting him beat up like a pinata and he won't last the season without injury. Up to this point the running game has been a huge disappointment. The good news is it's early in the season so there is time to fix it. :twocents:

 

[laxwyo]

Anyone actually serious about firing Vigen after game 2 should be banned from the board and being a Wyoming fan.


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[LanderPoke]

Vigen's offense has been bad 3 out of 4 years he's been here. The only year he had a good offense was when he had 5 NFLers on his roster.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Vigen's offense has been bad 3 out of 4 years he's been here. The only year he had a good offense was when he had 5 NFLers on his roster.

He inherited the kingdom of screen, draw, pass, and punt from DC. He didn't have any full backs or tight ends on the team and he was left with a bunch of 6'9" dough boys on the offensive line that were recruited to take up space, not to block. His offense should have struggled. All DC recruited was qb's and wr's and then he convinced the good qb's to leave.

Vigen isn't going anywhere. He might be the first o.c. in Wyoming history that groomed a first pick in the NFL draft, and he'll most certainly be the o.c. that groomed the highest drafted qb in Wyoming history.

Vigen's doing just fine. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have gotten a raise and a title last year. Bohl is trying like hell to keep him, not to get rid of him.

And if Vigen is such a bad o.c. and Bohl is the guy keeping him here, then doesn't the ultimate responsibility fall on Craig Bohl? He shit canned the D.C. last year. Isn't it his responsibility to decide on the o.c. since his ass is on the line if he fails?

 

[KeepitrealWyo]

Cowboy Junkie

Doesn't matter what anyone says your chin has the coaching staffs balls on it.

Vigen is 15-25 as OC
He hardly groomed Josh Allen- If truth be told he benched Allen in favor of Cam after Allen decisively outplayed Cam in the Spring Game (Senior Starts was the excuse)

Vigen got a break by having Josh with the other aforementioned 4 nfl players-
DC gets no credit but he did recruit Gentry, Van Mannen, Hollister, Roullier ,Wacha and DJ ( A huge part of the nucleus of last years team)

The next game vs Oregon will tell you a lot about the future of this Team
Oregon went 3-8 last year fired the coach and should be ripe for the upset.

While looking at any OC you should ask
1. Does his Offense keep teams off balance
2. Does he use his talent or his system ??
3. Does the 10 year old in the stands know the next play call ??

I am on the Firing side but I have had that opinion after the 2-10 season.

6-6 and he is gone

 

[ELKMT]

DC left a pretty full cupboard for Bohl. Bohl should of had Brett Smith, he also inherited 3 NFL players in Roullier, Yarbrough,& Gentry. Also, had the benefit of May, Wick, Wacha, Rufran, Applebee, Maulhardt, & etc. Bohl is no doubt the better coach, but the lack of wins is on the coaching staffs shoulders( even from day one). Bohl isn't making any excuses and knows they need to take some steps. I actually don't have much issue with Vigen, they want to run their style of game. I do wish they wore more flexible with the play calling and Bohl did say in his last interview that they will pass more than he is used too as they have to take advantage of the talent st QB.

 

[laxwyo]

We lose a pile of offensive talent from an 8-6 team and the fact we're not as good is the OC's play calling? Gotcha


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[Cowboy Junky]

Cowboy Junkie

Doesn't matter what anyone says your chin has the coaching staffs balls on it.

Vigen is 15-25 as OC
He hardly groomed Josh Allen- If truth be told he benched Allen in favor of Cam after Allen decisively outplayed Cam in the Spring Game (Senior Starts was the excuse)

Vigen got a break by having Josh with the other aforementioned 4 nfl players-
DC gets no credit but he did recruit Gentry, Van Mannen, Hollister, Roullier ,Wacha and DJ ( A huge part of the nucleus of last years team)

The next game vs Oregon will tell you a lot about the future of this Team
Oregon went 3-8 last year fired the coach and should be ripe for the upset.

While looking at any OC you should ask
1. Does his Offense keep teams off balance
2. Does he use his talent or his system ??
3. Does the 10 year old in the stands know the next play call ??

I am on the Firing side but I have had that opinion after the 2-10 season.

6-6 and he is gone

Yeah, I might buy that if it didn't happen with every single o.c. in Wyoming history. You guys scapegoated the last o.c., the one before that, the guy before that.......And you'll scapegoat the next o.c., the one after that, and the one after that. The o.c. is always the first guy to get run up the flag pole on Wyonation. You act like people can't remember all the other guys already dangling from the flag pole.

One thing never changes on Wyonation: all of Wyoming's football problems are due to our complete and utter inability to hire a good o.c.

And if trusting Craig Bohl more than I trust the "Fire Vigen", circle jerk, posse' on Wyonation means I have his balls on his chin, then I better shave so I don't irritate his nuts, because I would prefer that this coach stays for a while, at least until he has more than nine seniors.

I like beating ranked teams at home and hosting MWC championship games, and Craig Bohl/Brent Vigen delivered that. In fact, VIGENS OFFENSE delivered that. They carried the defense all the way to the title game. You didn't. Dino Costa's blatant racism didn't. You and the rest of the "Fire Vigen" jerk-offs delivered EXACTLY nothing except threads about how we need to fire an o.c that averaged 35 points a game in a pro style offense while mentoring the highest draft pick in Wyoming history.

Don't let me stop you though. Continue with your witch hunt. None of us have ever seen you guys do it before.

And don't flatter yourself. This post isn't about you, you fucking sock puppet. KeepitRealWyo registered exactly one week after we ran your sorry ass out of Laramie: Dino. Or did you forget that we know your post history and your registration date?

Get fucked Dino. No one, and I mean, absolutely NO ONE wants you anywhere near Wyoming.

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[joshvanklomp]

Vigen is 15-25 as OC

Bohl is 15-25, I guess we better fire him too! What a joke he's turned Wyoming into. I miss Dave! We may have lost four games by 28 points in DC's last year but at least our offense looked cool, right?!!!