Fire Vigen

[LanderPoke]

this is so asinine

Vigen is one of the most respected offensive minds in all of college football. He will be a head coach in the next couple years. Wyoming is incredibly lucky to have him

he has an OL that is not capable of protecting his QB...especially against a good defense like Iowa's. It's not his fault there is not much talent along the OL or that some freshman from freaking Torrington WY is starting

Two words. 3 points.

Embarrassed us in a pivotal national TV

 

[Poke-proud]

Middling....as in they are not one of the 4 teams everyone picks to win the b1g

Starters missing....doesnt change the umpteen a gap runs in short yardage. Plus they had starters missing also, what does rhat say. We were missing starters and therefore cant run an inspiring imaginitive gameplan? These excuses are probably not the only things passing through your lips from vigens ass.

And who the hell would leap masterful praise on anyone after a gwebb game?

Vigen has registered many alias's on here to defend his horrible game plans. I'm still not a fan.


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What are his aliases? Inquiring minds want to know.

Satire my friend - satire


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[Poke-proud]

this is so asinine

Vigen is one of the most respected offensive minds in all of college football. He will be a head coach in the next couple years. Wyoming is incredibly lucky to have him

he has an OL that is not capable of protecting his QB...especially against a good defense like Iowa's. It's not his fault there is not much talent along the OL or that some freshman from freaking Torrington WY is starting

Two words. 3 points.

Embarrassed us in a pivotal national TV

This pretty well "sums it up"


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[Asmodeanreborn]

he has an OL that is not capable of protecting his QB...especially against a good defense like Iowa's.

Am I the only one who thought the OL actually did a decent job? You're not going to prevent every single sack there is - there's going to be great plays by the defense and the occasional mistake. I saw Allen drop back quite a few times, have a few seconds, but then nobody became open anywhere.

On top of that, I think they actually did okay (not great) blocking for running as well... our backs just dawdled around in the backfield for far too long rather than decisively hitting the holes that were actually there. On the third/fourth and short situations, they were up against 8 large defensive players in the box, so it's no wonder they didn't get much push.

I'm not going to blame Vigen for our receivers being unable to get open, but you'd think that maybe there could have been a screen play or five when they stacked the box against the run? Sure, there was one that Allen was somehow intercepted on, but maybe that's just an indication that you haven't even practiced it.

 

[laxwyo]

This whole thread is dumb


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[LanderPoke]

OL did a good job of pass protection

 

[LanderPoke]

This whole thread is dumb


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It's no different than the Steve Stannard situation. He occasionally does well, but more often then not let's us down. The program won't reach lofty heights until we get a different play caller.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

OL did a good job of pass protection

I'm not alone!

 

[CM99]

This whole thread is dumb


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It's no different than the Steve Stannard situation. He occasionally does well, but more often then not let's us down. The program won't reach lofty heights until we get a different play caller.

Not true, you wont like the next guy either.....you are the same on every board. Its always the OC's fault. Then the HC, then the wrong players playing. I've read 50 different boards, same type of fans, same routine, same "exact" words said, same, same, same...just different screen names, calling out different coaches/players from different teams.

 

[pokefanchaz7]

In his defense he didn't bobble the throw from Allen and go out of bounds and cost the team 7 points. Final score should have been 17-10 without that muffed punt and that catch being secured


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[DVDA]

he has an OL that is not capable of protecting his QB...especially against a good defense like Iowa's.

Am I the only one who thought the OL actually did a decent job? You're not going to prevent every single sack there is - there's going to be great plays by the defense and the occasional mistake. I saw Allen drop back quite a few times, have a few seconds, but then nobody became open anywhere.

On top of that, I think they actually did okay (not great) blocking for running as well... our backs just dawdled around in the backfield for far too long rather than decisively hitting the holes that were actually there. On the third/fourth and short situations, they were up against 8 large defensive players in the box, so it's no wonder they didn't get much push.

I'm not going to blame Vigen for our receivers being unable to get open, but you'd think that maybe there could have been a screen play or five when they stacked the box against the run? Sure, there was one that Allen was somehow intercepted on, but maybe that's just an indication that you haven't even practiced it.

For starting two true freshman, they did really well in pass protection. The run game struggled early but got a few runs going in the second half. Overall the run blocking was below average against a lot of 7 man fronts. Vigen's play calling was predictable all game which didn't help these kids out.

 

[CM99]

In his defense he didn't bobble the throw from Allen and go out of bounds and cost the team 7 points. Final score should have been 17-10 without that muffed punt and that catch being secured


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Well its interesting you say this because it really is bizarre how much a football game or any sporting event can turn on an inch. Case in point, I went to bed Sunday with A&M winning 44-10 & just assumed they won. Checked my phone to see what the Va Tech/West Va score was and I was "shocked" to see UCLA won....after reading Rosen's accounts, it sounds like there were multiple "inch" moments including a blown Int that could have been fair caught and viola' people are calling for Kevin Sumlins job....

From an Iowa fan perspective, no one knew if we could complete any passes at all, let alone deep. I also didn't read anything about Wyoming or any Pre-Mags about Iowa (trying to de-empathize sports over the last few years ) and I work Saturday so I only checked in briefly. "Watched later" but as I kept checking in it had the "feel" of a classic gross early season Iowa game and in all honesty, you are correct about the "gift" TD, but I propose this...

I didn't know OC Daniels wasn't playing until well into the 3rd quarter and he is awesome (I knew Starting Tackle Meyers was limited all fall though) but we did not look terribly good early on, which sent me scrambling to research your D...LOL...yet we stayed on top of your O early and often and despite the pretty weak turnovers we capitalized when we needed to. Yes the punt was a gift, but I've watched Iowa play for 47 years now, the punt may have been gifted but the TD was not. A FG yes a "gift" but the TD was pure offense and a surprise to me I'll confess. I've seen that go the other way many, many times...

We also had 3 TO's at midfield, a batted pass and two really odd QB fumbles.....That's why you can never extrapolate out "certain" plays, because we all have them....

All in all I was exceptionally pleased with the D and and enheartened by the Offense. You guys should also be ecstatic about your D and honestly replacing all those skill guys against these Cb's and Lbers was probably a lot to be expected in a hostile environment.

 

[CM99]

he has an OL that is not capable of protecting his QB...especially against a good defense like Iowa's.

Am I the only one who thought the OL actually did a decent job? You're not going to prevent every single sack there is - there's going to be great plays by the defense and the occasional mistake. I saw Allen drop back quite a few times, have a few seconds, but then nobody became open anywhere.

On top of that, I think they actually did okay (not great) blocking for running as well... our backs just dawdled around in the backfield for far too long rather than decisively hitting the holes that were actually there. On the third/fourth and short situations, they were up against 8 large defensive players in the box, so it's no wonder they didn't get much push.

I'm not going to blame Vigen for our receivers being unable to get open, but you'd think that maybe there could have been a screen play or five when they stacked the box against the run? Sure, there was one that Allen was somehow intercepted on, but maybe that's just an indication that you haven't even practiced it.

For starting two true freshman, they did really well in pass protection. The run game struggled early but got a few runs going in the second half. Overall the run blocking was below average against a lot of 7 man fronts. Vigen's play calling was predictable all game which didn't help these kids out.

Do you know how you can tell the play calling was "predictable" ? You lose.....Its funny Ga Tech has pretty predictable play calling yet they sure win a lot of games. As far as that goes New Mexico threw 5 times vs you last year. They predictabled your ass to death. The "predictable" complaint is one of the weakest, most unenlightened comments I ever read on these message boards...its code for "we lost but I don't know why"....

 

[laxwyo]

he has an OL that is not capable of protecting his QB...especially against a good defense like Iowa's.

Am I the only one who thought the OL actually did a decent job? You're not going to prevent every single sack there is - there's going to be great plays by the defense and the occasional mistake. I saw Allen drop back quite a few times, have a few seconds, but then nobody became open anywhere.

On top of that, I think they actually did okay (not great) blocking for running as well... our backs just dawdled around in the backfield for far too long rather than decisively hitting the holes that were actually there. On the third/fourth and short situations, they were up against 8 large defensive players in the box, so it's no wonder they didn't get much push.

I'm not going to blame Vigen for our receivers being unable to get open, but you'd think that maybe there could have been a screen play or five when they stacked the box against the run? Sure, there was one that Allen was somehow intercepted on, but maybe that's just an indication that you haven't even practiced it.

For starting two true freshman, they did really well in pass protection. The run game struggled early but got a few runs going in the second half. Overall the run blocking was below average against a lot of 7 man fronts. Vigen's play calling was predictable all game which didn't help these kids out.

Do you know how you can tell the play calling was "predictable" ? You lose.....Its funny Ga Tech has pretty predictable play calling yet they sure win a lot of games. As far as that goes New Mexico threw 5 times vs you last year. They predictabled your ass to earth. The "predictable" complaint is one of the weakest, most unenlightened comments I ever read on these message boards...its code for "we lost but I don't know why"....

And it usually comes from people that only post after a loss.


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[LanderPoke]

This whole thread is dumb


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It's no different than the Steve Stannard situation. He occasionally does well, but more often then not let's us down. The program won't reach lofty heights until we get a different play caller.

Not true, you wont like the next guy either.....you are the same on every board. Its always the OC's fault. Then the HC, then the wrong players playing. I've read 50 different boards, same type of fans, same routine, same "exact" words said, same, same, same...just different screen names, calling out different coaches/players from different teams.

Hmmm, I like what I see so far from the new DC. Pretty good move to upgrade from Stannard, imo. I'm thinking we need another upgrade. I've seen enough

 

[Adv8RU12]

OK. So maybe don't fire Vigen. But light a fire under him. Tell him if he doesn't have the players for smash-mouth ball, design a finesse offense. Maybe every play a trick play instead of the of the predictable plays even I can see coming.

 

[CM99]

OK. So maybe don't fire Vigen. But light a fire under him. Tell him if he doesn't have the players for smash-mouth ball, design a finesse offense. Maybe every play a trick play instead of the of the predictable plays even I can see coming.

Not sure if you bothered noticing but Iowa ran a couple "trick" plays Saturday...a TE run, lost 4 yards, WR's end a around, ended in a fumble....it seems there were more "unusual" type calls that I don't remember. Its honestly ALWAYS about execution guys, always, always, always....

 

[WyomingAg]

In his defense he didn't bobble the throw from Allen and go out of bounds and cost the team 7 points. Final score should have been 17-10 without that muffed punt and that catch being secured


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Well its interesting you say this because it really is bizarre how much a football game or any sporting event can turn on an inch. Case in point, I went to bed Sunday with A&M winning 44-10 & just assumed they won. Checked my phone to see what the Va Tech/West Va score was and I was "shocked" to see UCLA won....after reading Rosen's accounts, it sounds like there were multiple "inch" moments including a blown Int that could have been fair caught and viola' people are calling for Kevin Sumlins job....

I happen to follow Texas A&M as well as Wyoming. Actually many A&M fans have been calling for Sumlin's head since last season. It is a lot more than the UCLA game, it is because they are 0 for 6 in the last 6 games against "power 5" conferences and are something to the tune of 2 and 15 in late October and November in SEC games in the last 3 years.

As far as Vigen goes, people have been calling for his head for the last couple years. Certainly 2 years ago this discussion was on the board at that time as well. He got a reprieve last year pretty much because Josh Allen saved him. He has been predictable since he has been at Wyoming. All you have to do is watch any Wyoming game and on any 3rd or 4th and short (3 yards or less) bet the house on a run up the middle and you will be right 95% of the time. Now against some teams like UNLV this year perhaps that may work all day. But when the scouting report specifically for Iowa is the front 7 of their defense is their strength maybe just maybe he should think of switching it up occasionally. However, we all know that won't happen, as this is how he called every game for the last several years. The difference last year was we had the school's all-time leading RB and NFL draft pick on the roster and an NFL center. This year we have a true freshman center, and several RB's still to be proven.

That's my biggest complaint on Vigen. He calls the game exactly the same way no matter the opponent or the situation. That is what I call predictable. I can understand having a game plan for your team going into a game, but when something doesn't work 6 times in a row in a game, it might be time to think about doing something different.

 

[DVDA]

he has an OL that is not capable of protecting his QB...especially against a good defense like Iowa's.

Am I the only one who thought the OL actually did a decent job? You're not going to prevent every single sack there is - there's going to be great plays by the defense and the occasional mistake. I saw Allen drop back quite a few times, have a few seconds, but then nobody became open anywhere.

On top of that, I think they actually did okay (not great) blocking for running as well... our backs just dawdled around in the backfield for far too long rather than decisively hitting the holes that were actually there. On the third/fourth and short situations, they were up against 8 large defensive players in the box, so it's no wonder they didn't get much push.

I'm not going to blame Vigen for our receivers being unable to get open, but you'd think that maybe there could have been a screen play or five when they stacked the box against the run? Sure, there was one that Allen was somehow intercepted on, but maybe that's just an indication that you haven't even practiced it.

For starting two true freshman, they did really well in pass protection. The run game struggled early but got a few runs going in the second half. Overall the run blocking was below average against a lot of 7 man fronts. Vigen's play calling was predictable all game which didn't help these kids out.

Do you know how you can tell the play calling was "predictable" ? You lose.....Its funny Ga Tech has pretty predictable play calling yet they sure win a lot of games. As far as that goes New Mexico threw 5 times vs you last year. They predictabled your ass to death. The "predictable" complaint is one of the weakest, most unenlightened comments I ever read on these message boards...its code for "we lost but I don't know why"....

You have to love trolls with their high and mighty know it all attitudes. You're clueless bud. Simplifying football to run or pass, as you have done in your post, is laughably stupid. Georgia Tech runs a complex option offense. Simply because they have a run based offense doesn't make it a predictable offense. That might be a difficult concept for you to grasp since you want to simplify things down to your level.

By the way, when you mention "comments I ever read on these message boards," are you saying you're a PBM?

 

[CM99]

he has an OL that is not capable of protecting his QB...especially against a good defense like Iowa's.

Am I the only one who thought the OL actually did a decent job? You're not going to prevent every single sack there is - there's going to be great plays by the defense and the occasional mistake. I saw Allen drop back quite a few times, have a few seconds, but then nobody became open anywhere.

On top of that, I think they actually did okay (not great) blocking for running as well... our backs just dawdled around in the backfield for far too long rather than decisively hitting the holes that were actually there. On the third/fourth and short situations, they were up against 8 large defensive players in the box, so it's no wonder they didn't get much push.

I'm not going to blame Vigen for our receivers being unable to get open, but you'd think that maybe there could have been a screen play or five when they stacked the box against the run? Sure, there was one that Allen was somehow intercepted on, but maybe that's just an indication that you haven't even practiced it.

For starting two true freshman, they did really well in pass protection. The run game struggled early but got a few runs going in the second half. Overall the run blocking was below average against a lot of 7 man fronts. Vigen's play calling was predictable all game which didn't help these kids out.

Do you know how you can tell the play calling was "predictable" ? You lose.....Its funny Ga Tech has pretty predictable play calling yet they sure win a lot of games. As far as that goes New Mexico threw 5 times vs you last year. They predictabled your ass to death. The "predictable" complaint is one of the weakest, most unenlightened comments I ever read on these message boards...its code for "we lost but I don't know why"....

You have to love trolls with their high and mighty know it all attitudes. You're clueless bud. Simplifying football to run or pass, as you have done in your post, is laughably stupid. Georgia Tech runs a complex option offense. Simply because they have a run based offense doesn't make it a predictable offense. That might be a difficult concept for you to grasp since you want to simplify things down to your level.

By the way, when you mention "comments I ever read on these message boards," are you saying you're a PBM?

Use a mirror much brother...LOL. Nope I guess not. I'm going to say this again, YOU are not unusual. I can find you on EVERY board saying the the..E..X...A...C...T same thing. And those offenses are NOT at all complicated, its all about execution. Period!!! Shows what you know.

As far as Sumlin goes....do you know why they lost that game from what I read? They were way to aggressive for one. The should have "slowed" it down...got predictable. I hope they do fire Sumlin and get what they deserve, back in the pit, like they were after they dumped RC. That's how dumb fans are. If you guys are lucky you'll do the same to yourselves, Texas is going through it right now...the fans "getting" what they want.

I'll say this one more time because "you critics" think you are enlightened. If you went to the Iowa board (don't go there in season because of the fools) you'll likely find them right now, even after a win, complaining about the OC. And if you pick a fan board and visit their board after a loss, you'll find them saying the exact same tired, predictable play calling stuff after every loss. So you aren't enlightened, you aren't unusual, you aren't savvy football fans, you aren't even brilliant "thinkers" or speakers because you are all saying the exact same things on every board. Its like you are a "angry" OC haters that float board to board....LOL