Fire Tormey

[HiCountryCowboy]

Why did the whole team look like they had given up after the first play? Are their internal issues? Has CDC lost the locker room? Do the kids not want to play for him? This is the third game I have noticed and difference in attitude of the players

I was thinking the same thing. Something stinks. It can't be healthy in that locker room.

 

[HiCountryCowboy]

Hahaha look at all the people suckin Marty English D, like he is some great D coordinator. Wow...Do you guys not remember how bad our D was with him either?
I am not sticking up for Tormey, but holy hell, you guys are acting like English has the best defenses ever now.

Not to mention he is the LB coach and CO-cefensive coordinator. It isn't even HIS defense...

I feel so honored that you would remove your nose from CDC and taking time away from kicking little old men and Blue Hairs that upset you to make comment on the fact that nobody wants him back.....just pointing out how his D kicked the living day lights out of us.......hahahha we fire him and he beats us 52-22!

What about last year? Fire him and he doesn't beat us...

THIS YEAR we scored 15 points while the game was still in question...another 7 when they had in their second team.

Bottom line, the d sucked when English was a coordinator and it sucks just as bad now w/Tormey. How long do we have to wait?

Probably until we have a new AD in place........another thread has pointed out how there are 1.25 million reasons that nothing will change!

Although it wouldn't be that expensive due to bonuses, I know what you mean. Great extension, huh?

 

[HR_Poke]

Why did the whole team look like they had given up after the first play? Are their internal issues? Has CDC lost the locker room? Do the kids not want to play for him? This is the third game I have noticed and difference in attitude of the players

I was thinking the same thing. Something stinks. It can't be healthy in that locker room.

Even smith looked out of it

 

[Subcanis]

I was pretty unhappy about seeing a lot of the players laughing it up at the Buck last night.

 

[HiCountryCowboy]

I was pretty unhappy about seeing a lot of the players laughing it up at the Buck last night.

Wow! I would be embarrassed walking to classes two days later. At least we know where their heads were really at during the game.

By the way, I read on the gwg board that there was some sort of skirmish between the students and players during the game. Sounds like some students were dishing shit (tacky but I don't blame them). Any truth to this?

 

[fromolwyoming]

Don't know about that, but the players on the sideline were trying to get the crowd to cheer when the defense was letting the sheep run for about 10 yards a pop and the offense kept sputtering and misfiring.

 

[Cuttslam]

I was pretty unhappy about seeing a lot of the players laughing it up at the Buck last night.

Wow! I would be embarrassed walking to classes two days later. At least we know where their heads were really at during the game.

By the way, I read on the gwg board that there was some sort of skirmish between the students and players during the game. Sounds like some students were dishing shit (tacky but I don't blame them). Any truth to this?

I heard the same thing

 

[Subcanis]

I was pretty unhappy about seeing a lot of the players laughing it up at the Buck last night.

Wow! I would be embarrassed walking to classes two days later. At least we know where their heads were really at during the game.

By the way, I read on the gwg board that there was some sort of skirmish between the students and players during the game. Sounds like some students were dishing shit (tacky but I don't blame them). Any truth to this?

I heard the same thing

Bunch rolled in around midnight.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

Man, everybody's talking about the defense, but did anybody expect they'd get more than a few stops? No defense will do well when you punt 10 times and turn it over (on downs or otherwise) an additional 4.

CSU has one of the worst defenses in the nation, and they stopped us 14 times on offense. FOURTEEN! Our offense wasn't garbage, it was worse than in the freaking Joe Glenn era.


The defense had 7 stops - that should've been enough. If they had had a few more minutes of rest here and there, I think they probably would have had more.

 

[YankPoke]

I was pretty unhappy about seeing a lot of the players laughing it up at the Buck last night.

Wow! I would be embarrassed walking to classes two days later. At least we know where their heads were really at during the game.

By the way, I read on the gwg board that there was some sort of skirmish between the students and players during the game. Sounds like some students were dishing shit (tacky but I don't blame them). Any truth to this?

This is very true, I was right in front of it when it happened. A lot of students that were leaving were yelling at the offensive line and some of the other players and Jones started yelling back and telling him to come down and say it to his face. It got pretty ugly down there

 

[DVDA]

DC is a finesse coach which seems to have rubbed off on his teams. Wyoming is soft on both sides of the ball. Getting rid of Tormey and any assistants is not going to fix anything. The problem is DC. He's gone if Wyoming doesn't make a bowl game and probably gets Brett's last year if he makes one.

 

[ELKMT]

The fact of the matter is that we are a bad football team, just like we have been every year since 99 (minor exception for 2004 and 2006). In the big picture, it doesn't matter if DC's last game is Nov 2013 or Nov 2014, what matters is that we get the right person and that we provide that person with the resources to succeed. I think we need a new AD in place and we need to give that individual a year to fully review the situation and work with fundraising so that when we make the move, me make the right one.

. I don't know if you can count 06 and 04 teams as "good teams". They were not even close to challenging for a championship. The only team since 99 to challenge for a title was 2011 team, but that ended with tank carter knocking a true freshman Brett smith out of the game late in the game.

 

[cowboyz]

Why did the whole team look like they had given up after the first play? Are their internal issues? Has CDC lost the locker room? Do the kids not want to play for him? This is the third game I have noticed and difference in attitude of the players

Almost every player I've ever talked to think that DC is a tool. It's a big part of how I formed my opinion of him. They won't say it to a reporter, but will do in a private setting.

 

[Cuttslam]

Why did the whole team look like they had given up after the first play? Are their internal issues? Has CDC lost the locker room? Do the kids not want to play for him? This is the third game I have noticed and difference in attitude of the players

Almost every player I've ever talked to think that DC is a tool. It's a big part of how I formed my opinion of him. They won't say it to a reporter, but will do in a private setting.

Can you elaborate?

 

[cowboyz]

Why did the whole team look like they had given up after the first play? Are their internal issues? Has CDC lost the locker room? Do the kids not want to play for him? This is the third game I have noticed and difference in attitude of the players

Almost every player I've ever talked to think that DC is a tool. It's a big part of how I formed my opinion of him. They won't say it to a reporter, but will do in a private setting.

Can you elaborate?

Obviously, without mentioning names or positions, as to not put them in his dog house, I've been told he:

Threatens to pull scholarships over every little thing that pisses him off.
Tells you that you have a fair shot for playing time, but doesn't give you the opportunity in practice to do so.
Different rules, different players (ie-two players, same infraction, one gets suspended, the other gets a talking to).
Lets his mood dictate how he treats the team in practice (ie-after the Equipment Manager refused to hire his son, the team suffered in practice, getting verbally abused, extra work-outs etc.).
Likes to publically humiliate the players in front of the other players and coaches.
Will support a fellow coach over a player every time, without hearing the player out.
Plays the blame game (ie-we would have won had xxx not blown his coverage, dropped the pass, etc.) in front of the other players.

Basically all the typical stuff you see in a bad high school sports movie. He basically bullies them just as he does with the Press and indirectly the fans.

You only have to approach the players and talk to them. There's about a hundred of them running around town at any given time. If it's a big group, they won't say much, but alone or with a couple team friends, they'll give you an earfull.

 

[wyokoke]

I was pretty unhappy about seeing a lot of the players laughing it up at the Buck last night.

Wow! I would be embarrassed walking to classes two days later. At least we know where their heads were really at during the game.

By the way, I read on the gwg board that there was some sort of skirmish between the students and players during the game. Sounds like some students were dishing shit (tacky but I don't blame them). Any truth to this?

This is very true, I was right in front of it when it happened. A lot of students that were leaving were yelling at the offensive line and some of the other players and Jones started yelling back and telling him to come down and say it to his face. It got pretty ugly down there

I was about 2 rows up and what I saw was one guy walking out yelling at Brett and our line that they are a bunch of pussies etc, and first Jones then Brett and before long the whole line about erupted at him. Wasn't pretty. Also, after Smith got sacked on a 3rd down around the end of the 3rd, he came to the sideline tearing Madden a new one and Walker took exception to whatever was said, they needed seperated from one another. Hate to see that kinda stuff

 

[WyoBrandX]

I was pretty unhappy about seeing a lot of the players laughing it up at the Buck last night.

Wow! I would be embarrassed walking to classes two days later. At least we know where their heads were really at during the game.

By the way, I read on the gwg board that there was some sort of skirmish between the students and players during the game. Sounds like some students were dishing shit (tacky but I don't blame them). Any truth to this?

This is very true, I was right in front of it when it happened. A lot of students that were leaving were yelling at the offensive line and some of the other players and Jones started yelling back and telling him to come down and say it to his face. It got pretty ugly down there

I was about 2 rows up and what I saw was one guy walking out yelling at Brett and our line that they are a bunch of pussies etc, and first Jones then Brett and before long the whole line about erupted at him. Wasn't pretty. Also, after Smith got sacked on a 3rd down around the end of the 3rd, he came to the sideline tearing Madden a new one and Walker took exception to whatever was said, they needed seperated from one another. Hate to see that kinda stuff

Losing a game that we should have won - to our rival nonetheless - will do that. It is too bad.

 

[WyoBrandX]

I don't think Tormey is the problem. Looking back, I don't think Marty English was the problem. Something is being dictated to our defense - whether it is players, formations, focus (eg turnovers instead of stops).

Maybe we can't afford the right position coaches. Maybe the defensive coaches don't have the freedom to dictate how they want their personel to play.

At the end of the day, changing defensive coordinators for a third time will likely end in the same results - we can't stop the run, we can't get the other team off the field.

 

[stymeman]

I could NOT believe what I was watching on Saturday, I am to say the least embarrassed by the performance or lack there of myself. They came out punched us in the mouth and we NEVER recovered. This Defense is the lowest of low I've seen in many many years of watching the Pokes. can't fill the gaps, can't stop the run, can't tackle to save their lives, can't stop the effective pass, always play behind the receiver....I don't get it, are we really that bad, are we really that slow. On the 1st play from scrimmage i watched that shovel pass and Blair Burns, was jogging after the play he had 2 times to make the tackle and really looked like a prima donna....also our receivers, CATCH THE DAMN BALL, BRETT CAN'T DO IT ALL....MORE LATER

 

[HR_Poke]

Why did the whole team look like they had given up after the first play? Are their internal issues? Has CDC lost the locker room? Do the kids not want to play for him? This is the third game I have noticed and difference in attitude of the players

Almost every player I've ever talked to think that DC is a tool. It's a big part of how I formed my opinion of him. They won't say it to a reporter, but will do in a private setting.

Can you elaborate?

Obviously, without mentioning names or positions, as to not put them in his dog house, I've been told he:

Threatens to pull scholarships over every little thing that pisses him off.
Tells you that you have a fair shot for playing time, but doesn't give you the opportunity in practice to do so.
Different rules, different players (ie-two players, same infraction, one gets suspended, the other gets a talking to).
Lets his mood dictate how he treats the team in practice (ie-after the Equipment Manager refused to hire his son, the team suffered in practice, getting verbally abused, extra work-outs etc.).
Likes to publically humiliate the players in front of the other players and coaches.
Will support a fellow coach over a player every time, without hearing the player out.
Plays the blame game (ie-we would have won had xxx not blown his coverage, dropped the pass, etc.) in front of the other players.

Basically all the typical stuff you see in a bad high school sports movie. He basically bullies them just as he does with the Press and indirectly the fans.

You only have to approach the players and talk to them. There's about a hundred of them running around town at any given time. If it's a big group, they won't say much, but alone or with a couple team friends, they'll give you an earfull.

IDK what you are saying sounds like a group of kids having sour grapes after finding out the world isn't fair. He may not treat everyone the same and give favorability to some kids over others. But welcome to the world. Happens every day of my life.