Fire Bohl!

[WestWYOPoke]

Hot seat..you gotta be kidding. Give me a break!! What did you think he was going to win 8 games this year , winning even 6 was a stretch and yes we could win just a very few this year. The conversation was pretty clear last year that the 2014 was going to be tough, but that 2015 could be much worse. Did we all forget that. This is going to take 3 to 5 more years from this year. Our first break out season will probably be 2017 and that might only be 6 or 7 wins. If Bohl doesn't get this done, you may very well look at some dramatic changes and not for coaches in the future. We better all get behind him, because the alternative will not be very pretty at all. This discussion on this topic after 1 game in the second year is quite frankly incredibly stupid.

Yes, almost everyone forgets. It's," We suck and need to be better by next year." When we show slight progression (not necessarily wins, but recruiting) several begin to rethink things and thinkwe are to the point of being amazingly better than we were the year before and expect no less than 6 wins or we are a failure at life and the ground has fallen out beneath them.
These people want from zero to sixty in NOW! Reality is it isn't going to happen that way. We have to run the course and get through 6.5 seconds to get to our end result.
And for those that think this is a bad loss just becuase they were FCS. Get over it! Division l college football is college football. Them beating us is no different then us going and beating Ole Miss or Tenn.
they put their pants on one leg at a time just like us.

Except for they aren't in the same division as us. Whereas we were in the same division as Tennessee and Ole Miss. It's actually quite different. That and Wyoming can offer 30-something more scholarships than UND. But I gave up on you writing an intelligent post two years ago.

22 more scholarships to be precise...FBS is 85, FCS is 63. I do agree though, us losing to UND is NOT the same as a Tennessee or Ole Miss losing to us.

 

[J-Rod]

Even great regimes are prone to horror losses. Nick Saban and Bama opened up their regime by losing to UL-Monroe at home. One loss won't doom Bohl, but they need to improve.

Now if they lose to an EMU team with no OOC road wins since Reagan was in office, then we have a problem. Pokes would be starting down the barrel at 0-12. Win this week, and the path to improvement begins. Hopefully the UND loss is eventually just a bad memory.

Losing to North Dakota SUCKS, but it is what it is. I'll only start to wonder about this current regime if Bohl lets UND beat Wyoming twice. Be mentally prepared, give the fans a W vs. EMU.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Actually, as bad as we are, a sign of a good coaching staff will be drastically cutting self inflicted problems and then simplifying schemes to allow for youth. That should lead to better execution. When you do that, you are a little more vanilla but you can play tough and disciplined. It won't win a lot of games but it might be enough against EMU.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Hot seat..you gotta be kidding. Give me a break!! What did you think he was going to win 8 games this year , winning even 6 was a stretch and yes we could win just a very few this year. The conversation was pretty clear last year that the 2014 was going to be tough, but that 2015 could be much worse. Did we all forget that. This is going to take 3 to 5 more years from this year. Our first break out season will probably be 2017 and that might only be 6 or 7 wins. If Bohl doesn't get this done, you may very well look at some dramatic changes and not for coaches in the future. We better all get behind him, because the alternative will not be very pretty at all. This discussion on this topic after 1 game in the second year is quite frankly incredibly stupid.

Yes, almost everyone forgets. It's," We suck and need to be better by next year." When we show slight progression (not necessarily wins, but recruiting) several begin to rethink things and thinkwe are to the point of being amazingly better than we were the year before and expect no less than 6 wins or we are a failure at life and the ground has fallen out beneath them.
These people want from zero to sixty in NOW! Reality is it isn't going to happen that way. We have to run the course and get through 6.5 seconds to get to our end result.
And for those that think this is a bad loss just becuase they were FCS. Get over it! Division l college football is college football. Them beating us is no different then us going and beating Ole Miss or Tenn.
they put their pants on one leg at a time just like us.

Except for they aren't in the same division as us. Whereas we were in the same division as Tennessee and Ole Miss. It's actually quite different. That and Wyoming can offer 30-something more scholarships than UND. But I gave up on you writing an intelligent post two years ago.

According to you there isn't a difference, remember we've been FCS in disguise all along...
So we get more schollies than them. That makes us better? I recall that we only played 48 players in that game. I don't know their numbers but I'm sure it was equal to or less. Division l college football is college football. Hence the name "Div. l" FBS and "Div l" FCS.
Now had this actually been Div ll, Div lll or NAIA... Then we would have a massive problem.
ND is a lower Class of Dl. Plain and simple.

But any arguement coming from the guy that "WANTS" us to drop to FCS is silly.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

According to you there isn't a difference, remember we've been FCS in disguise all along...
So we get more schollies than them. That makes us better? I recall that we only played 48 players in that game. I don't know their numbers but I'm sure it was equal to or less. Division l college football is college football. Hence the name "Div. l" FBS and "Div l" FCS.
Now had this actually been Div ll, Div lll or NAIA... Then we would have a massive problem.
ND is a lower Class of Dl. Plain and simple.

But any arguement coming from the guy that "WANTS" us to drop to FCS is silly.

I'm definitely not on the fire Bohl thing and I still have faith he will turn things around for us. However, to lump this in as just some old loss during the rebuilding process is extreme the other direction. In the WSU example, they won a lot of battles in that game but lost the war.

We absolutely got our asses handed to us by a FCS team in EVERY aspect of the game (coaching down to talent). End of the world or Bohl? No, obviously not. Reason for concern? Absolutely. Like I said, their is no guarantee that that Bohl will succeed or that he will fail. Was this a glimpse or indication of a "chink in the armor"? Maybe.

 

[stymeman]

i really don't think it's this extreme, BUT, things have to change and change NOW

 

[SDPokeFan]

Hot seat..you gotta be kidding. Give me a break!! What did you think he was going to win 8 games this year , winning even 6 was a stretch and yes we could win just a very few this year. The conversation was pretty clear last year that the 2014 was going to be tough, but that 2015 could be much worse. Did we all forget that. This is going to take 3 to 5 more years from this year. Our first break out season will probably be 2017 and that might only be 6 or 7 wins. If Bohl doesn't get this done, you may very well look at some dramatic changes and not for coaches in the future. We better all get behind him, because the alternative will not be very pretty at all. This discussion on this topic after 1 game in the second year is quite frankly incredibly stupid.

Yes, almost everyone forgets. It's," We suck and need to be better by next year." When we show slight progression (not necessarily wins, but recruiting) several begin to rethink things and thinkwe are to the point of being amazingly better than we were the year before and expect no less than 6 wins or we are a failure at life and the ground has fallen out beneath them.
These people want from zero to sixty in NOW! Reality is it isn't going to happen that way. We have to run the course and get through 6.5 seconds to get to our end result.
And for those that think this is a bad loss just becuase they were FCS. Get over it! Division l college football is college football. Them beating us is no different then us going and beating Ole Miss or Tenn.
they put their pants on one leg at a time just like us.

Except for they aren't in the same division as us. Whereas we were in the same division as Tennessee and Ole Miss. It's actually quite different. That and Wyoming can offer 30-something more scholarships than UND. But I gave up on you writing an intelligent post two years ago.

According to you there isn't a difference, remember we've been FCS in disguise all along...
So we get more schollies than them. That makes us better? I recall that we only played 48 players in that game. I don't know their numbers but I'm sure it was equal to or less. Division l college football is college football. Hence the name "Div. l" FBS and "Div l" FCS.
Now had this actually been Div ll, Div lll or NAIA... Then we would have a massive problem.
ND is a lower Class of Dl. Plain and simple.

But any arguement coming from the guy that "WANTS" us to drop to FCS is silly.

So if I'm following your logic, UND is simply another D1 team, and there is no shame in losing to them. So, hypothetically speaking, we could put them in the SEC and they would do just fine. I get it now.

I will never be OK with Wyoming losing to an FCS school, let alone getting their asses kicked all game long by one. To each their own, I guess. I think it's a sign of how far this program has fallen when people rationalize this type of loss, which could easily be the worst in program history. Could you imagine if the Wallwork/Yarborough/Harris teams let an FCS team hang around within 30, let alone win by 11?

And I'm not sure I want us to drop to FCS anymore, to be honest. We just got destroyed by a mediocre FCS team. Maybe there is a spot in the RMAC for us in Division II. We could probably eke out a win over Chadron State. Colorado State-Pueblo, I'm not so sure about, however.

 

[SnowyRange]

I will never be OK with Wyoming losing to an FCS school, let alone getting their asses kicked all game long by one. To each their own, I guess. I think it's a sign of how far this program has fallen when people rationalize this type of loss, which could easily be the worst in program history.

I think darn few are "rationalizing" the loss. It was a terrible one.

But the fact remains, like it or not, that to evaluate Bohl's success we'll have to check in about two or three years from now.

It's fun to parse and agonize over everything in the meantime -- nothing wrong with that, it's what sports fans do, and in fact that's the fun of sports -- but this is just the first chapter of a long story.

 

[joshvanklomp]

I don't think the loss is being rationalized, as SnowyRange said. What's being rationalized is the magnitude of the loss and how it affects the future of the program. Some think it should result in a coach's firing, others don't.

 

[Wyokie]

The rationalizing here is getting really stupid.

So....some of you are thinking this...It's like the kid who thinks that getting turned down for the prom by the fat chick (i.e. North Dakota) in school is the same as getting turned down by the hot cheerleader (i.e. a big name P5 school like Ohio State), who everyone knows slept with the entire football team at least twice!!!

Sorry, guys, but North Dakota and Ohio State are not the same!!!!!! Yes, UND is Division I but it's I-AA/FCS not Division I-A/FBS!!! Get it thru your heads, guys, we got embarrassed by a shitty I-AA team.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

We are at the lowest and darkest moment in Wyoming football history? Are some of you people on crack?

 

[Wyo2dal]

We are at the lowest and darkest moment in Wyoming football history? Are some of you people on crack?

They have to be to say that or they just didn't watch Wyoming in the early 2000's I believe going 5-29 from 00-02 is far lower.

 

[joshvanklomp]

The rationalizing here is getting really stupid.

So....some of you are thinking this...It's like the kid who thinks that getting turned down for the prom by the fat chick (i.e. North Dakota) in school is the same as getting turned down by the hot cheerleader (i.e. a big name P5 school like Ohio State), who everyone knows slept with the entire football team at least twice!!!

Sorry, guys, but North Dakota and Ohio State are not the same!!!!!! Yes, UND is Division I but it's I-AA/FCS not Division I-A/FBS!!! Get it thru your heads, guys, we got embarrassed by a shitty I-AA team.

Don't think anyone is saying that.

Since you're clearly referring to Kansas' post. What people fail to see is he said they are a differentclass of Division I, but still Division I.

To use your prom analogy, all of them are at the prom. People here act like UND wouldn't even be invited to the prom. They are there like everyone else, even if they aren't mingling with the cool kids.

 

[ELKMT]

Unrealistic fan base?

So we should simply sit back and accept the gross offerings presented and collectively yawn after yet another train wreck season?

Who's that quote from? That is how I feel.

VK never got his ass kicked by a lower division school. In fact VK beat an FCS championship runner up. Even shitty FBS teams should beat top tier FCS schools. Is North Dakota going to make it to the Championship game?

I think we beat EMU, but other than that we might not win another game. I think Bohl could go winless for the next two years and not be in the realm of getting fired, so some of you are right that the bitching is pointless. This forum is a good place to vent though and throw out crazy ideas.

Bohl has his work cut out for him and I hope for the best.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Unrealistic fan base?

So we should simply sit back and accept the gross offerings presented and collectively yawn

after yet another train wreck season?

Who's that quote from?

VK never got his ass kicked by a lower division school. In fact VK beat an FCS championship runner up. Even shitty FBS teams should beat top tier FCS schools. Is North Dakota going to make it to the Championship game?

I think we beat EMU, but other than that we might not win another game. I think Bohl could go winless for the next to years so some of you are right that the bitching is pointless. This forum is a good place to vent though and throw out crazy ideas.

Clearly you don't recall The Citadel game. They abused us offensively and defensively. And we were just lucky enough to pull a comeback and barely win 34-30. The Citadel was a lot worse off than ND was this year

And the arguement is not what class ND is and whether or not the loss was an embarrassment or not. I'm just as embarrassed. But the arguement was, to begin with people acting Butt Hurt and calling for Bohls head.
If we can get back on topic. My only point on classification difference is that it really isn't.

Think of it this way. RS and GR played the trona bowl every year in class 4A highest class you can be in HS ball in Wyo. Now because of "size " difference GR is relocated to class 3A. Were they not or are they still not talented enough to battle RS who is a complete Class above them?

 

[Danmully]

You guys are tards. Of course his seat is getting warmer as it should be. That doesn't mean he's going to get fired anytime soon. They will give him his 4 yrs to try to build something, but games like that aren't program builders.

Not all losses are the same, and that was about the most embarrassing performance I have seen, and I've seen a lot.

 

[ELKMT]

Think of it this way. RS and GR played the trona bowl every year in class 4A highest class you can be in HS ball in Wyo. Now because of "size " difference GR is relocated to class 3A. Were they not or are they still not talented enough to battle RS who is a complete Class above them?

Mr. Kansas, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

A high school football example is not a comparable analogy. You don't recruit in the same way, kind of dealt your hand in HS. For the sake of argument though since GR's population decline in the HS they are no longer competitive with 4A schools. They are hardly competitive with the Torrington's, Cody's, and Douglas High's of the State. If you want to use a HS football example it would be a 4A school losing to a 3A school (still a poor analogy). FBS schools should have a higher quality athlete than FCS, more resources to develop players, higher paid coaches, and a larger pool of scholarship players. That is why it is a rare occurrence.

I can see an upset were a top playoff team could upset a shitty FBS school. I just don't believe ND is that good of a program. I believe the difference between FCS and FBS is large.

PS: From what I remember of the Citadel game is a W, and a team looking ahead to the CSU game in which we nearly won (CSU went on to win 10 games and the conference). I suppose Bohl was maybe looking forward to the big game vs EMU.

 

[ELKMT]

You guys are tards. Of course his seat is getting warmer as it should be. That doesn't mean he's going to get fired anytime soon. They will give him his 4 yrs to try to build something, but games like that aren't program builders.

Not all losses are the same, and that was about the most embarrassing performance I have seen, and I've seen a lot.

I concur.

 

[MedievalPoke]

We are at the lowest and darkest moment in Wyoming football history? Are some of you people on crack?

Exactly, time for deep breathing, people.

Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick. Talk to a player from the Koennig years (ask them about his Power Ranger Speech), and you will know that we are not even close to the bottom.

My god, you act like we haven't been through a disappointment before, and that the bottom fell out of the bucket. Hell, we are Wyoming fans, the bucket is always half empty and leaking fast - but for whatever is holy, stop proclaiming the end of the world already. The world has already ended a few times for us.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Since Bohl was hired, we've heard nothing but rave reviews and backslaps for everyone. People have been using it as a testament to Burman's genius. Bohl has talked the talk and proclaimed Cowboy Tough once again rides the high plains. The national media has applauded and written articles that rival dime novels about Tom Horn. Quite simply, he is a no miss hire and will lead WYO to the promise land. It was an infectious disease that we couldn't wait to catch.

Then Saturday happened and the Pokes weren't just beat, they were made to grovel for any ounce of remaining dignity. They weren't hardened Wyoming Rangers hunting down bad guys. They were the town drunk being instructed to the location of the saloon. Our battle hardened general and his officers were more like drummer boys trying to reform the cadence after a cannon ball lands in the middle of them.

Quite simply, it was the very first sign of weakness from Bohl. It was the first hint of the possibilty that Bohl could fail. Of course, it has always been a possibility, but everyone ignored that until they couldn't.

I think it scared people and thus the reason for the reaction.