fromolwyoming
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Christensen couldn't torch a vat of oil with a flamethrower. As soon as a coach saw which plays he liked to do, our offense would be lucky to get 7 points. And defense? HA! :stupid:cali2wyo said:
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Fire Bohl!
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Cosmic Cowboy
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Hahha I'm not gonna lie I came over to the football forum for the first time and I'm getting a lot of sick twisted laughs from this whole thing. I can't even imagine what it'd be like if I actually liked football and had to watch this team as my team :nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick: Week after week of just :nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick: :nutkick: Granted I'm not gonna watch any of this or look beyond box scores but can we really fire this coach after 2 years? I mean shouldn't he at least get his 4? I feel its like a stability thing for the future to do this move. You gotta let a coach have time to right the ship..ummm I mean salvage the ship....uhhhh I mean sift through the rubble to rebuild...yeah that's the one right? Choo choo all aboard another train wreck season!!! :grenade:
Seriously though I think UW has to let Bohl stick around just to let some other coach know they'll have a CHANCE to rebuild this thing. If this guy can't turn it around UW football is gonna be so far in the gutter that we might be looking at an 8 year turn around plan. So the next coach has to feel at least safe to come in here and try. Sooner or later we're just gonna have to get shit house lucky with some hire that can turn water into wine. Only way to attract that is with a shitload of dough or a work environment that seems somewhat hospitable to make a name for yourself. There might not be any fans around to watch it by then but I'm positive people would come to see a winning team. My advice..save your hard earned money to see that team when its built and ignore this chicken coop fire until then.
It's so sad like all our fanbase wants is a 5 to 6 win season in years like this. Instead we're gonna get like maybe 1 to 2 SURPRISE GOTCHA style wins.
Seriously though I think UW has to let Bohl stick around just to let some other coach know they'll have a CHANCE to rebuild this thing. If this guy can't turn it around UW football is gonna be so far in the gutter that we might be looking at an 8 year turn around plan. So the next coach has to feel at least safe to come in here and try. Sooner or later we're just gonna have to get shit house lucky with some hire that can turn water into wine. Only way to attract that is with a shitload of dough or a work environment that seems somewhat hospitable to make a name for yourself. There might not be any fans around to watch it by then but I'm positive people would come to see a winning team. My advice..save your hard earned money to see that team when its built and ignore this chicken coop fire until then.
It's so sad like all our fanbase wants is a 5 to 6 win season in years like this. Instead we're gonna get like maybe 1 to 2 SURPRISE GOTCHA style wins.
Yabadabadoo
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I'll assume that the originator of this post was simply frustrated and venting. There should not be a thought in any intelligent mind about 'firing' Craig Bohl anytime in the near future -- or in the distant future for that matter.
What did some of you people expect? Have you ever created/built anything in your lives? Anything substantial with many moving parts, unpredictable variables, dealing with 70-80 (or how many ever) human beings? You think this stuff happens by magic - by wishing it?
Pull up your boot straps boys because as I've been trying to say for weeks on end, we ain't that good yet, and we probably won't be that good for a little while longer. Got it? This was a classic tear down and rebuild situation from the word 'go.'
Enjoy the process with incremental gains for the time being -- cause that's all you should be focusing on at this juncture.
For those believing that the Pokes should finish their season with a winning record - and or - serious bowl game consideration, then I suggest you turn your calendars ahead to next season, because that's the season I can see the Pokes beginning to resemble a semi-quality football team. Semi-good, I say, NEXT season.
I'm as disgusted with yesterday's effort as anyone else is -- but to blow this out of proportion the way some are is beyond puzzling.
To me (and I speak for myself of course) this is really the first year of the Craig Bohl era. Last year was a wash from the moment he arrived exceptionally late onto the scene, had 6 weeks to get his boots on the ground and recruit, and then watched as his best 2 QB's left Laramie. It was, as I have often said, 'a foundation season'...when you build a house you pour a foundation upon which to build upward and onward. Quality houses aren't constructed in a month.
This staff has had but one single recruiting class and some of you are ready to jump ship based upon a loss at home yesterday, on a day where Portland State beat Washington State?
Think WST is thinking of firing Mike Leach? Has it occurred to anyone that this team as presently constituted does not yet know how to win? If you do, is this surprising to you?
Look it, I don't want a flash in the pan, alright? I want a consistent and regular pattern of winning over multiple seasons to emerge from the muck that Bohl inherited. That doesn't happen in 18 months...ANYWHERE.
Certainly Craig Bohl isn't beyond others approach so far as criticisms, but please make them valid for crying out loud. I read much of what has been posted and some of you appear to be the kind who when talking baseball trades, suggest wanting to obtain Mike Trout for a ham sandwich, and thinking its a good deal for the other club.
This is a marathon folks, and we aren't even at the quarter pole yet. There's miles to go, it's a long race, and the final results won't be known for some time.
Wow.
What did some of you people expect? Have you ever created/built anything in your lives? Anything substantial with many moving parts, unpredictable variables, dealing with 70-80 (or how many ever) human beings? You think this stuff happens by magic - by wishing it?
Pull up your boot straps boys because as I've been trying to say for weeks on end, we ain't that good yet, and we probably won't be that good for a little while longer. Got it? This was a classic tear down and rebuild situation from the word 'go.'
Enjoy the process with incremental gains for the time being -- cause that's all you should be focusing on at this juncture.
For those believing that the Pokes should finish their season with a winning record - and or - serious bowl game consideration, then I suggest you turn your calendars ahead to next season, because that's the season I can see the Pokes beginning to resemble a semi-quality football team. Semi-good, I say, NEXT season.
I'm as disgusted with yesterday's effort as anyone else is -- but to blow this out of proportion the way some are is beyond puzzling.
To me (and I speak for myself of course) this is really the first year of the Craig Bohl era. Last year was a wash from the moment he arrived exceptionally late onto the scene, had 6 weeks to get his boots on the ground and recruit, and then watched as his best 2 QB's left Laramie. It was, as I have often said, 'a foundation season'...when you build a house you pour a foundation upon which to build upward and onward. Quality houses aren't constructed in a month.
This staff has had but one single recruiting class and some of you are ready to jump ship based upon a loss at home yesterday, on a day where Portland State beat Washington State?
Think WST is thinking of firing Mike Leach? Has it occurred to anyone that this team as presently constituted does not yet know how to win? If you do, is this surprising to you?
Look it, I don't want a flash in the pan, alright? I want a consistent and regular pattern of winning over multiple seasons to emerge from the muck that Bohl inherited. That doesn't happen in 18 months...ANYWHERE.
Certainly Craig Bohl isn't beyond others approach so far as criticisms, but please make them valid for crying out loud. I read much of what has been posted and some of you appear to be the kind who when talking baseball trades, suggest wanting to obtain Mike Trout for a ham sandwich, and thinking its a good deal for the other club.
This is a marathon folks, and we aren't even at the quarter pole yet. There's miles to go, it's a long race, and the final results won't be known for some time.
Wow.
Yabadabadoo
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BJC said:
Perhaps North Dakota has a better football team than Wyoming right now? Not a long stretch by any means...
BJC
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So how he do it?.....I'm not suggesting firing the guy but that is what makes it that much worse.....they were a finesse team before change as well.
On to the next game.....hard to get the taste out of my mouth with this one and hard to accept they are a better team but they sure walked into our house and slapped our mommas yesterday. :twocents:
On to the next game.....hard to get the taste out of my mouth with this one and hard to accept they are a better team but they sure walked into our house and slapped our mommas yesterday. :twocents:
Yabadabadoo
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BJC said:
Agreed, Wyoming was seriously bitch-slapped in their own house yesterday and underwhelmed all day long. What I won't do is to allow this awful loss to cloud my judgement so far as the big-picture is concerned. It's over, it's done with, it sucked hairy ass-crack, say it however you wish to...but that game is history. Lets get better (much better) with this next game this coming Saturday.
Wyo2dal
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I think most of these rants are funny, After Bohl was hired everyone was pretty much in agreement that Bohl would need 3-5 years to turn around the program with his own recruits. We ALL knew that and we ALL agreed on that and now after one game it's like everyone forgets it's a new coach and a new program.
Are you guys forgetting what DC did at Wyoming? Let me refresh your memory.
First year was a heavy senior team and we had a stout defense. His second year we went 3-9(1-8) his 3rd year we probably should have gone 4-8 but turnovers went our way and we got some wins we shouldn't have and then in the Bowl game when we got trashed it showed.
DC never turned the program around and never made any progress I'll still give Bohl the same 3-5 years before the jury will be out on him and if he isn't above .500 in wins well we'll just be in the same boat we are now.
Are you guys forgetting what DC did at Wyoming? Let me refresh your memory.
First year was a heavy senior team and we had a stout defense. His second year we went 3-9(1-8) his 3rd year we probably should have gone 4-8 but turnovers went our way and we got some wins we shouldn't have and then in the Bowl game when we got trashed it showed.
DC never turned the program around and never made any progress I'll still give Bohl the same 3-5 years before the jury will be out on him and if he isn't above .500 in wins well we'll just be in the same boat we are now.
Hayduke
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You're correct.BJC said:
Bubba came from Southern Illinois where he was d coordinator running the 3/4 he learned from Dale Lennon, the SIU cosch and former coach at North Dakota. Bubba was the d coordinator at UND under Lennon also. Basically, he brought bach the old d scheme to UND.
kansasCowboy
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BeaverPoke said:
Hey Beav,
Didn't your OSU Beavers lose to Sacramento St in 2011 and Eastern Washington in 2013?
Kind of being a little harsh don't you think? And that was years after Mike Riley had his system in place. This is game one of year two...
kansasCowboy
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BJC said:
Who inherited a squad that in game one of year two has veteran O/D lines. A strength in its LB corp that have all played multiple seasons.
What do we have in game one of year two? A EXTREMELY YOUNG secondary. Who are most seasoned veteran is a Soph. In Preister.
A completely depleted LB Corp consisting of one seasoned LB- Wacha (who did all he could himself in that game. His numbers show it.) and the rest consisting of a previous RB- May and a previous TE- Nzeocha. All pieced together in the spring.
Our DL is our only strength right now.
Our OL consists of young players also and also a DL that made the switch in the fall.
Our WR consist of two top guys that were only "average" last year. The rest are unproven and young. I noticed FR- Parker was getting significant playing time in that game. And I'm sure we may see our other top FR recruits before seasons end. TE- young Hollister and Mayfield
RB- Veteran in Wick and he is backed up by a SO- Hill and it sounds like a FR or two may be playing behind them some this year.
A QB- Coffman who looked nervous in his first start in almost two years. And still showed poise. And a FR Allen backing him up.
This team needs to get some game time to better gel together. And that's all there is to it.
Individual talent and overall team talent are two vastly different categories. We had a few players on both sides of the ball that played well. Coffman overall had some good numbers. Gentry literally left it all on the field. And that was about it. 2 of about 18 O players that played significant will get you what we had last Saturday.
Yarbrough had some good rushing, tackles, a sack and a pass breakup. From what I saw in the highlights he was being double and even triple teamed, if they brought a blocking back to him and he still made some noise. But if that is happening to him then the rest of the line really needed to step up and they didn't.
Wacha had like 9 unassisted tackles! And Pownell, even though out of position several times, made up for it and got the tackle, and saved us from several more potentially disastrous big plays. 3 D players out of however many played gave a good effort. But this game shows that team effort trumps individual effort every time.
You can't compare them to us. They are actually a veteran team. We are a team that is scrapped together in almost every area right now. And our band aides (Bohls only two recruiting classes) are small strips of individual talent that need to learn, grow and gel together.
On a side note. I am really impressed with the Big Sky so far this year. Mont took down Nat Champs NDSU only to lose to Cal Poly. Portland St. took down PAC12 Wazzu. Weber, who was obliterated by everyone last year actually tested Oregon St. before losing. EWU went toe to toe with Oregon in a shootout! SUU almost had Utah States number. UC Davis fought hard against Nevada and of course ND took us out. This Big Sky group, although FCS is proving that they can play with the big boys. Power5 conf or otherwise. Not an excuse, but fact.
BeaverPoke
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kansasCowboy said:
Yep and I was one of the most excited when Nebraska took him away from us.
Losing to an FCS school is unacceptable and in my opinion is a fire-able offense.
Hayduke
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BeaverPoke said:
I understand. But, then shouldn't Snyder be fired from Kansas State for losing to NDSU? That year, KSU went 8-5 and beat Michigan in a bowl game. (No, I'm not expecting UND to go unbeaten and UW to win 8 games or more.)
I think sometimes losing to an FCS school is escusable. I'm hoping that we find out that both UW and UND come out of with much better records than expected. Of course, I wear both brown and gold/green and white glasses.
BeaverPoke
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Hayduke said:
Okay, I can buy that sometimes it can be excusable, but most times it should not be.
The year the Beavers lost to EWU, they were ranked #25 in the country. They ended up winning their next 6 games and getting back into the Top 25 at 6-1, before the Beavs stumbled a little bit towards the end of the season.
But at the end of the season, the Beavers lost a game they shouldn't have, and it hurts on the win total.
I don't expect Wyo to turn it around the way the Beavs or the way K-State did though. There is no way in hell this game should be excusable. The Cal Poly loss is more excusable because we didn't have our starting QB.
We just laid a fricking egg against ND. That is not okay in any way.
JimmyDimes
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Correct, it was our 3rd string QB. So, that game we didn't have any experience at QB. The game the Pokes were just stung in, there was no experience at many positions. Our youngsters did't play well and or gel in their first games. And Coffman looked like crap coming off a two year hiatus. It is a game they should not have lost, but it happened.BeaverPoke said:
I'm looking forward to see if these young kids come out with a better effort Saturday.
Yabadabadoo
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BeaverPoke said:
Not only is this ridiculous, but it's a statement that reeks of both immaturity and a complete lack of understanding of the way that the world works - and the way high-level football works.
This isn't 11-12 year old kids in a neighborhood at the end of the street deciding to change the captain of the youth-street baseball team who plays a few other neighborhood teams each day during the summertime and who changes their minds daily on a whim or because 'Jimmy' is more popular this day than 'Billy'.
So, Tom Burman is supposed to walk into Craig Bohl's office today and after one season and one game say; 'well, sorry Craig, but that loss Saturday has made me re-think my entire decision to bring you here. I'm making a change, you're fired, see you later."
This is the world of Division 1 CFB, run by adults, who have a bit more long-term thinking, who are confident in their plans, who understand the 'process', who don't cave, walk away, give up, and concede total failure after one disappointing football game.
Someone mentioned on another thread that it strikes him that many of the postings after the ND loss appears to be coming from 5 year old's. I disagree. As the father of one 5 year old I can say that mine has a sense of understanding and reason to a degree. I find some of these postings, theories, and those calling for an outright firing of a head coach with the pedigree of Craig Bohl to simply be, in a word; Witless.
