Direction of the program under Larry Shyatt

[DocHolliday]

I too am sick of the "he's better than Schroyer" stuff.

I am also sick of the "Bohl is the right guy, but is Shyatt?" stuff.

Shyatt should obviously be outperforming Schroyer. So just because we hit 20 wins with 330+ OOC and in an average conference, doesn't mean we should just THANK GOD IT'S NOT SCHROYER.
Shyatt should be winning 25 here. Shyatt should be competing for MWC titles. Shyatt should be taking us to the NIT and Big Dance on a yearly basis. Not the CBI.

And Bohl? Fuckin' please. 4 wins. 1 of them was gift-wrapped by FAU. The football team sucks. And to think a guy who went 4-8, and everything else about him is just PURE speculation, is better than Shyatt is kind of foolish.
What has Bohl done? Like, really actually done that we can all agree that he has done? "Changing the culture" doesn't count. Glenn changed the culture. Christensen changed the culture. Bohl changing the culture doesn't mean anything. He has 4 wins and got shit on the same way Christensen did by the big teams.

I know that Bohl is building something. Don't try and jump down my throat for not being 100% on board with him. But at Wyo, the coaches are always building for the future. So as of year 1, he is 3 wins and 1 bowl win behind what many on here want to call one of the worst coaches we have ever had.

Craig Bohl's inaugural season almost doesn't even count to me.

His first year was one where it was nothing more than a foundation year - a year to evaluate, recalibrate the program, and then build from there. The guy inherited a dumpster fire with not a single ready to play QB on his roster.

I feel tons better about the future of Wyoming Football in terms of what the zenith of that program can be with Bohl than I do with Shyatt at the helm of Wyoming basketball.

Don't misunderstand me, I am not dumping on Shyatt without acknowledging the positives he's brought to the program...I just wonder if he is the guy to take us to that next crucial step along the way.

I get that, but also if Bohl's first season is a "throwaway", shouldn't Shyatt's be too?

Edit:I see it wasn't you that put the yearly record up, my mistake

No problem...and yes I'd agree with you wholeheartedly that Shyatt inherited an awful situation as well and I do cut him slack for season #1

I like Shyatt, wyokoke, but like Neo in the movie The Matrix, I wonder, is he 'The One'?

 

[J-Rod]

Craig Bohl's inaugural season almost doesn't even count to me.

His first year was one where it was nothing more than a foundation year - a year to evaluate, recalibrate the program, and then build from there. The guy inherited a dumpster fire with not a single ready to play QB on his roster.

I feel tons better about the future of Wyoming Football in terms of what the zenith of that program can be with Bohl than I do with Shyatt at the helm of Wyoming basketball.

Don't misunderstand me, I am not dumping on Shyatt without acknowledging the positives he's brought to the program...I just wonder if he is the guy to take us to that next crucial step along the way.

Fair enough. We all put emphasis on different things. I give Shyatt a pass for his unlucky bout with injuries/suspensions in the past, you give Bohl a pass for a rough first season. I saw things in 2014 that are potential red flags down the line for Bohl. Like I've said many times, his ability to succeed will be determined on signing day. If he fails to raise the talent level, he'll be nothing more than a poor man's Joe Glenn who looks like Mr. Clean. Like BP said, Wyoming was really close to being 1-11 in 2014. Really close. Of course you cannot completely judge Bohl on year #1, but there were issues I took away. There are no mulligans.

Shyatt is winning. He hasn't won it all, he hasn't ended this fan bases starvation for a conference title or national success, but dammit he's closer than anyone affiliated with football has since Joe Tiller roamed the sidelines.

 

[wyokoke]

I too am sick of the "he's better than Schroyer" stuff.

I am also sick of the "Bohl is the right guy, but is Shyatt?" stuff.

Shyatt should obviously be outperforming Schroyer. So just because we hit 20 wins with 330+ OOC and in an average conference, doesn't mean we should just THANK GOD IT'S NOT SCHROYER.
Shyatt should be winning 25 here. Shyatt should be competing for MWC titles. Shyatt should be taking us to the NIT and Big Dance on a yearly basis. Not the CBI.

And Bohl? Fuckin' please. 4 wins. 1 of them was gift-wrapped by FAU. The football team sucks. And to think a guy who went 4-8, and everything else about him is just PURE speculation, is better than Shyatt is kind of foolish.
What has Bohl done? Like, really actually done that we can all agree that he has done? "Changing the culture" doesn't count. Glenn changed the culture. Christensen changed the culture. Bohl changing the culture doesn't mean anything. He has 4 wins and got shit on the same way Christensen did by the big teams.

I know that Bohl is building something. Don't try and jump down my throat for not being 100% on board with him. But at Wyo, the coaches are always building for the future. So as of year 1, he is 3 wins and 1 bowl win behind what many on here want to call one of the worst coaches we have ever had.

Craig Bohl's inaugural season almost doesn't even count to me.

His first year was one where it was nothing more than a foundation year - a year to evaluate, recalibrate the program, and then build from there. The guy inherited a dumpster fire with not a single ready to play QB on his roster.

I feel tons better about the future of Wyoming Football in terms of what the zenith of that program can be with Bohl than I do with Shyatt at the helm of Wyoming basketball.

Don't misunderstand me, I am not dumping on Shyatt without acknowledging the positives he's brought to the program...I just wonder if he is the guy to take us to that next crucial step along the way.

I get that, but also if Bohl's first season is a "throwaway", shouldn't Shyatt's be too?

Edit:I see it wasn't you that put the yearly record up, my mistake

No problem...and yes I'd agree with you wholeheartedly that Shyatt inherited an awful situation as well and I do cut him slack for season #1

I like Shyatt, wyokoke, but like Neo in the movie The Matrix, I wonder, is he 'The One'?

Yeah I get what you're saying, whether hes the guy to get us over the hump again, and it's a fair question.I agree with lax that every class is improving, and in that depth should be developing. Fisher was at SDSU something like 8 years before he really broke through there. Shyatt could have a similar trajectory, in my opinion

 

[DocHolliday]

I too am sick of the "he's better than Schroyer" stuff.

I am also sick of the "Bohl is the right guy, but is Shyatt?" stuff.

Shyatt should obviously be outperforming Schroyer. So just because we hit 20 wins with 330+ OOC and in an average conference, doesn't mean we should just THANK GOD IT'S NOT SCHROYER.
Shyatt should be winning 25 here. Shyatt should be competing for MWC titles. Shyatt should be taking us to the NIT and Big Dance on a yearly basis. Not the CBI.

And Bohl? Fuckin' please. 4 wins. 1 of them was gift-wrapped by FAU. The football team sucks. And to think a guy who went 4-8, and everything else about him is just PURE speculation, is better than Shyatt is kind of foolish.
What has Bohl done? Like, really actually done that we can all agree that he has done? "Changing the culture" doesn't count. Glenn changed the culture. Christensen changed the culture. Bohl changing the culture doesn't mean anything. He has 4 wins and got shit on the same way Christensen did by the big teams.

I know that Bohl is building something. Don't try and jump down my throat for not being 100% on board with him. But at Wyo, the coaches are always building for the future. So as of year 1, he is 3 wins and 1 bowl win behind what many on here want to call one of the worst coaches we have ever had.

Craig Bohl's inaugural season almost doesn't even count to me.

His first year was one where it was nothing more than a foundation year - a year to evaluate, recalibrate the program, and then build from there. The guy inherited a dumpster fire with not a single ready to play QB on his roster.

I feel tons better about the future of Wyoming Football in terms of what the zenith of that program can be with Bohl than I do with Shyatt at the helm of Wyoming basketball.

Don't misunderstand me, I am not dumping on Shyatt without acknowledging the positives he's brought to the program...I just wonder if he is the guy to take us to that next crucial step along the way.

I get that, but also if Bohl's first season is a "throwaway", shouldn't Shyatt's be too?

Edit:I see it wasn't you that put the yearly record up, my mistake

No problem...and yes I'd agree with you wholeheartedly that Shyatt inherited an awful situation as well and I do cut him slack for season #1

I like Shyatt, wyokoke, but like Neo in the movie The Matrix, I wonder, is he 'The One'?

Yeah I get what you're saying, whether hes the guy to get us over the hump again, and it's a fair question.I agree with lax that every class is improving, and in that depth should be developing. Fisher was at SDSU something like 8 years before he really broke through there. Shyatt could have a similar trajectory, in my opinion

It's ironic you mention Fisher at SDSU because he is the one guy I have attempted to persuade myself could be a coach with a program that could turn out to be Shyatt's future teams in Laramie.

As an aside, you mention that Bohl's first team could have finished last season with but a single victory -- and if that had happened the last person who would have been surprised would have been me. That is how bare-boned the roster was last year, in fact, I'm almost shocked they finished with 4 wins last year.

I truly hope Shyatt succeeds and delivers big things for us in the future.

Go POKES!

 

[WyoBrandX]

Coach has bought himself quite a bit of time in my opinion. We need good coaches to stay around - and he has proved that he is a good coach.

This year our depth was supposed to be great! Its not as deep as I thought it was going to be though.

But still, its been so much better than the past 5 years prior to him showing up.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Well I think all this talk on the board about Shyatt seems to be fairer then I originally thought. I'm not really that upset about everything myself. Overall I like the direction we're headed. Shyatt's biggest failure thus far to me seems to be in the recruiting area. I mean its tough cause bad shit happens and recruiting is kind of a crapshoot, but one glaring misstep was that of Sellers. Not only did he not amount to a damn thing for us for one season, but he quits on us right before the time he is needed most this season when he was looking ok. If that scholly was filled with a guy that could play at MWC level even with just solid D, 2-5 points a game, 4+ boards, and maybe a block we are conference champs THIS YEAR. Shy's other bigs he recruited couldn't hack it either which is a bummer, but again that shit does happen to every program. The one big man short thing this year has derailed us from being what we all wanted us to be.

As far as in game schemes and coaching we were looking really good early with our full strength. Lately we look like we can't d the 3 for shit or that we've lost our identity. When you have mono though you lose your identity, trust me on that one. I had it and I wasn't the same person. So when the head of our dragon gets it, well our dragon won't be the same. I think that's what we're seeing right now.

I want Shyatt to be running this program until he's looking to retire personally or until he somehow loses his magic. I'm not sure how high we'll get though because he's going to have to get us there. We have to see to believe. I really hope we can fix the big man problem more then anything.

 

[LanderPoke]

My take FWIW. Shyatt had to start from ground zero. The best players from the team he was about the inherit all bailed. He was left with a couple decent pieces, but needed to add some JC's to fill the cracks...one or two who didn't pan out. His first class, those who remain, are the current seniors. He had a late start and the class on paper wasn't stellar. Larry Nance had the name, but that was it. You can tell the team was better his first year, but still had a ways to go.

In his 2nd year, he added Josh, Hank, Cooke, McM along with Sobey. All are/were good players, but again not a great class on paper...but better than year #1. Those guys, along with his first class and those he inherited cracked the top 25 before the first major setback.

In year 3 he adds Herndon and Washington. Anybody can see Herndon is going to be a player and Washington was highly though of prior to some freshman growing pains....kind of like what we're seeing from Gorski and Lieberman (the two best shooters on the team and both are true freshman). The team was playing well and in 3rd place when the Pokes had their 2nd major setback.

Last years class was slightly better, but luckily Shyatt is able to bring these guys along slowly. Let's remember, Shyatt didn't have the luxury of redshirting many of his first year guys. Nance and Adams have started since their freshman year, Grabau since he was a sophomore. The team had been playing great. Tied for 1st place until mono strikes two of our top 6 players. Major setback #3.

This years class looks to be Shyatt's best by far. I look forward to the day when the Pokes can get through a season without a major interruption. It does appear if some of the bigs can be developed (Barnes, Momeka, Naughton), there will be come quality depth in the near future.

It has been a frustrating year after such a promising start, but this program in heading north. And the AA renovations are going to help speed up the process.

The bottom line is we wouldn't be seeing threads like this if Nance and Herndon didn't come down with mono. We wouldn't be where we are today.

Go Pokes!

Well said. Agree 100%

 

[ilovedapoke]

The Pokes conference record under Shyatt reveals exactly what we are, mediocre at best. Our out of conference schedule is pathetic which is why they are winning 20 games a year. Depth is the issue, can't have one player go down and cost the season. A couple more years of recruiting will tell the story on Shyatt.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

It seems we're all pretty much in agreement or close to it that Shy needs to be our guy for at least a couple more seasons. I think he seems like a really good dude on top of everything else. I know we all want those W's, but the program has a good look in more ways then one. I like our guys. They have heart, they fight, and they have style. Style points are always appreciated by this POKE here. As long as I can still get excited for the games this late in the season I'm happy. So many years in the past were I don't even have to think about watching us in the MWC tourney, yet I always do....same results lol. SO MANY seasons were we didn't even get to talk about at large this late. I remember the DARKER times so I appreciate even these overcast days we're in now.

 

[aztecfanatic]

Greetings Poke fans; I have been lurking this board for many seasons now (more this year than ever before); I registered just to say that I have enjoyed watching Wyo play and also enjoy reading your comments on this board. I just want to make a few observations if I may. First of all to build a solid program really takes a good amount of luck.
You guys have seemed to only have the worst of luck by any measure that can be used. Think about how much of a difference it makes if your big play-maker has a great game in the biggest game. The Aztecs lost to Boise last night and many of our guys just did not have a good game. My point is if Nance goes off and just has a great game, by his standards, Wyo would be almost impossible to beat that night. The other point I want to make is that I think Shyatt is the kind of coach that can, and hopefully will, continue to build a strong foundation for more and more success at the highest of levels; but it does take time. Fans rarely are patient but there are no magic formulas for winning. Wyoming basketball is solid and respectable; try your best to enjoy the journey. Anyway; best of luck to the Pokes in the tourney. I must say I love the passion you have for your team. Sorry for rambling.

 

[Wyo2dal]

I just need to post one thing in here then I'm done with this thread.

Steve Fisher took over the Aztecs in 99-00 he had a record of 81-97 (26-58) during his first 6 years as he turned a dead Basketball school around. It took him 6 years not to build a team but to build a program that people wanted to play at. During that time he had 1 NIT bid and 1 NCAA bid. Not to mention the time change alone Basketball was a different sport between 00-06.

Shyatt has been in Laramie for 4 years he has a record of 80-48 (29-35) he has taken us to 3 CBI Tournaments and highly likely a 4th this year. It is a hell of a lot harder to build a Basketball program in 11-15 with a completely different sport today.

Some of you guys are already talking like he has failed in Wyoming. You seem to think this is Alabama or Texas somewhere kids are in a hurry to get to. If it took Fisher 6 years to turn around a shit program in California why do you think Shyatt can do it faster in Wyoming? 6-8 Years that is what it is going to take to gain some Basketball respect, To get ranked in the polls and to bring this program out of the dumpster it was in.

Now 10 years later San Diego State is a respected Basketball program where would it be if they got rid of Fisher after 6 years of shitty seasons? I hate to tell some of you this but if you can't put up with 2-3 more seasons of winning 20 games w/o a NCAA bid you are going to be frustrated cheering for the Pokes.

 

[bladerunnr]

I just need to post one thing in here then I'm done with this thread.

Steve Fisher took over the Aztecs in 99-00 he had a record of 81-97 (26-58) during his first 6 years as he turned a dead Basketball school around. It took him 6 years not to build a team but to build a program that people wanted to play at. During that time he had 1 NIT bid and 1 NCAA bid. Not to mention the time change alone Basketball was a different sport between 00-06.

Shyatt has been in Laramie for 4 years he has a record of 80-48 (29-35) he has taken us to 3 CBI Tournaments and highly likely a 4th this year. It is a hell of a lot harder to build a Basketball program in 11-15 with a completely different sport today.

Some of you guys are already talking like he has failed in Wyoming. You seem to think this is Alabama or Texas somewhere kids are in a hurry to get to. If it took Fisher 6 years to turn around a shit program in California why do you think Shyatt can do it faster in Wyoming? 6-8 Years that is what it is going to take to gain some Basketball respect, To get ranked in the polls and to bring this program out of the dumpster it was in.

Now 10 years later San Diego State is a respected Basketball program where would it be if they got rid of Fisher after 6 years of shitty seasons? I hate to tell some of you this but if you can't put up with 2-3 more seasons of winning 20 games w/o a NCAA bid you are going to be frustrated cheering for the Pokes.

I don't know anyone who said he has failed. But what I'm saying ( and I think what others are saying) is that 20 wins is virtually meaningless when we are playing some d2 schools and schools with rpi's in the 200 and 300's. What matters is the conference record. Also, at some point he has to get us beyond the qtr finals of the MWC tournament.

No one is saying get rid of Shyatt. And I think 6 years is a fair time period. But the talent level is going to have to improve. It's pretty average right now. No one denies the program was in the crapper. But 8 years to turn it around? Last year, csewe was 16-16 and this year they are probably headed back to the tournament. All done with transfers and jc kids. I don't know if we can or should even try to get that type of player. But some of our best players have been jc kids or transfers. Justin Williams, Brad Jones, and Donta Richardson just to name 3. Right now, we don't have single player who can consistently hit a wide open jump shot.

The Vegas game didn't alarm me as much as the first 1/2 of the Fresno st. game. Nance hits a 3 pointer at the buzzer or we have 18 points at the half, on our own court. That's pretty pathetic. We had an entire week to prepare for that game and we stunk it up. I think the prevailing thought has been that Shyatt walks on water. Now that another season is going by the wayside, it's pretty understandable to question whether this program is really getting any better.

 

[SnowyRange]

Now 10 years later San Diego State is a respected Basketball program where would it be if they got rid of Fisher after 6 years of shitty seasons? I hate to tell some of you this but if you can't put up with 2-3 more seasons of winning 20 games w/o a NCAA bid you are going to be frustrated cheering for the Pokes.

I tend to agree. It's no goddamn picnic recruiting for any sport here -- not to mention we're trying to run a real university, so we don't have Packaging and Managing Youth Sports majors -- so, like it or not, we have to try to find some long-term, program-building coaches and then stay that course.

 

[kansasCowboy]

I just need to post one thing in here then I'm done with this thread.

Steve Fisher took over the Aztecs in 99-00 he had a record of 81-97 (26-58) during his first 6 years as he turned a dead Basketball school around. It took him 6 years not to build a team but to build a program that people wanted to play at. During that time he had 1 NIT bid and 1 NCAA bid. Not to mention the time change alone Basketball was a different sport between 00-06.

Shyatt has been in Laramie for 4 years he has a record of 80-48 (29-35) he has taken us to 3 CBI Tournaments and highly likely a 4th this year. It is a hell of a lot harder to build a Basketball program in 11-15 with a completely different sport today.

Some of you guys are already talking like he has failed in Wyoming. You seem to think this is Alabama or Texas somewhere kids are in a hurry to get to. If it took Fisher 6 years to turn around a shit program in California why do you think Shyatt can do it faster in Wyoming? 6-8 Years that is what it is going to take to gain some Basketball respect, To get ranked in the polls and to bring this program out of the dumpster it was in.

Now 10 years later San Diego State is a respected Basketball program where would it be if they got rid of Fisher after 6 years of shitty seasons? I hate to tell some of you this but if you can't put up with 2-3 more seasons of winning 20 games w/o a NCAA bid you are going to be frustrated cheering for the Pokes.

I've tried this comparison with others on here, it doesn't stick...

 

[LanderPoke]

Greetings Poke fans; I have been lurking this board for many seasons now (more this year than ever before); I registered just to say that I have enjoyed watching Wyo play and also enjoy reading your comments on this board. I just want to make a few observations if I may. First of all to build a solid program really takes a good amount of luck.
You guys have seemed to only have the worst of luck by any measure that can be used. Think about how much of a difference it makes if your big play-maker has a great game in the biggest game. The Aztecs lost to Boise last night and many of our guys just did not have a good game. My point is if Nance goes off and just has a great game, by his standards, Wyo would be almost impossible to beat that night. The other point I want to make is that I think Shyatt is the kind of coach that can, and hopefully will, continue to build a strong foundation for more and more success at the highest of levels; but it does take time. Fans rarely are patient but there are no magic formulas for winning. Wyoming basketball is solid and respectable; try your best to enjoy the journey. Anyway; best of luck to the Pokes in the tourney. I must say I love the passion you have for your team. Sorry for rambling.

Good points, aztecfanatic. Thanks for posting and not being a douche like 50% of the Aztec fans on the MWC board.

 

[bladerunnr]

I just need to post one thing in here then I'm done with this thread.

Steve Fisher took over the Aztecs in 99-00 he had a record of 81-97 (26-58) during his first 6 years as he turned a dead Basketball school around. It took him 6 years not to build a team but to build a program that people wanted to play at. During that time he had 1 NIT bid and 1 NCAA bid. Not to mention the time change alone Basketball was a different sport between 00-06.

Shyatt has been in Laramie for 4 years he has a record of 80-48 (29-35) he has taken us to 3 CBI Tournaments and highly likely a 4th this year. It is a hell of a lot harder to build a Basketball program in 11-15 with a completely different sport today.

Some of you guys are already talking like he has failed in Wyoming. You seem to think this is Alabama or Texas somewhere kids are in a hurry to get to. If it took Fisher 6 years to turn around a shit program in California why do you think Shyatt can do it faster in Wyoming? 6-8 Years that is what it is going to take to gain some Basketball respect, To get ranked in the polls and to bring this program out of the dumpster it was in.

Now 10 years later San Diego State is a respected Basketball program where would it be if they got rid of Fisher after 6 years of shitty seasons? I hate to tell some of you this but if you can't put up with 2-3 more seasons of winning 20 games w/o a NCAA bid you are going to be frustrated cheering for the Pokes.

I've tried this comparison with others on here, it doesn't stick...

I'll tell you why. A more relevant comparison is csewe. Tim Miles took over a dumpster fire in Fort Collins. They went 0-16 in conference play his first year. Three years later they were in the NIT and in the NCAA tournament the year after that. Guys like you are always apologizing for our coaches and preaching patience. If I'm not mistaken, you defended Schroyer quite often. In fact, I'm pretty sure you will defend the Wyoming coach (football or basketball) no matter how bad the results are. That's fine. There are always 2 sides to every argument. But you lose me when you talk about how good the recruiting classes are getting. If any of these guys could play, they'd be contributing right now. They are projects at best. And finally, no one is suggesting we fire the coach. But don't defend him on the dubious achievement of 20 wins. Short of scheduling cooking schools, our ooc schedule could not get any weaker.

 

[WYCowboy]

First I would like to thank Aztecfanatic for coming on our board and posting a classy post.
In regard to the OP, I have just a little different view. Ask yourself how many of our starters on our team would be starting on other teams in the MWC (excluding SJSU). I thought at the beginning of this season Wyoming would have plenty of depth this season IF our depth got enough PT in the first half of the season to be an experienced player when conference season came. What I saw was our starters did not overwhelm many of the teams in the OOC where we could get our depth much experience (Gorski due to a broken finger). That has hurt us down the stretch and also tells me something about our team.

 

[Wyo2dal]

I just need to post one thing in here then I'm done with this thread.

Steve Fisher took over the Aztecs in 99-00 he had a record of 81-97 (26-58) during his first 6 years as he turned a dead Basketball school around. It took him 6 years not to build a team but to build a program that people wanted to play at. During that time he had 1 NIT bid and 1 NCAA bid. Not to mention the time change alone Basketball was a different sport between 00-06.

Shyatt has been in Laramie for 4 years he has a record of 80-48 (29-35) he has taken us to 3 CBI Tournaments and highly likely a 4th this year. It is a hell of a lot harder to build a Basketball program in 11-15 with a completely different sport today.

Some of you guys are already talking like he has failed in Wyoming. You seem to think this is Alabama or Texas somewhere kids are in a hurry to get to. If it took Fisher 6 years to turn around a shit program in California why do you think Shyatt can do it faster in Wyoming? 6-8 Years that is what it is going to take to gain some Basketball respect, To get ranked in the polls and to bring this program out of the dumpster it was in.

Now 10 years later San Diego State is a respected Basketball program where would it be if they got rid of Fisher after 6 years of shitty seasons? I hate to tell some of you this but if you can't put up with 2-3 more seasons of winning 20 games w/o a NCAA bid you are going to be frustrated cheering for the Pokes.

I've tried this comparison with others on here, it doesn't stick...

I'll tell you why. A more relevant comparison is csewe. Tim Miles took over a dumpster fire in Fort Collins. They went 0-16 in conference play his first year. Three years later they were in the NIT and in the NCAA tournament the year after that. Guys like you are always apologizing for our coaches and preaching patience. If I'm not mistaken, you defended Schroyer quite often. In fact, I'm pretty sure you will defend the Wyoming coach (football or basketball) no matter how bad the results are. That's fine. There are always 2 sides to every argument. But you lose me when you talk about how good the recruiting classes are getting. If any of these guys could play, they'd be contributing right now. They are projects at best. And finally, no one is suggesting we fire the coach. But don't defend him on the dubious achievement of 20 wins. Short of scheduling cooking schools, our ooc schedule could not get any weaker.

You are mistaken but more power to you to search through 4 years worth of my posts about Schroyer so you can feel better about yourself. I 'll actually feel bad if you don't find some post I posted 7 years ago where I defended Schroyer if it exists I'd like to see it as well.

Ya your right it would be much better if we played teams we couldn't beat and only won half as many games.

Guys like you will always complain about everything we play good schedules and lose you will complain. We play bad schedules and win and you will complain. You have to learn to win as a team to build a program if Shyatt threw the kids to the wolves with schedules they couldn't win he wouldn't be building a program you however don't seem to understand what build means. Clearly you would be ok if we went 10-20 as long as the 20 losses came against ranked teams.

Tim Miles comparison is way off he went 71–88 (28–50) and he last year was his best year. He left Colorado State because he could see the writing on the wall he did the best with he could with what he had. I believe he left becaue he knew that CSU couldn't get that much better.

Heath Schroyer took over a team that was on the rise and he completely flat lined it. By the time he left Wyoming we were barely able to beat a conference team. What Shyatt walked into is much like what Tim Miles walked into and after 4 years he got his first NIT bid.

 

[Aaron]

My take FWIW. Shyatt had to start from ground zero. The best players from the team he was about the inherit all bailed. He was left with a couple decent pieces, but needed to add some JC's to fill the cracks...one or two who didn't pan out. His first class, those who remain, are the current seniors. He had a late start and the class on paper wasn't stellar. Larry Nance had the name, but that was it. You can tell the team was better his first year, but still had a ways to go.

In his 2nd year, he added Josh, Hank, Cooke, McM along with Sobey. All are/were good players, but again not a great class on paper...but better than year #1. Those guys, along with his first class and those he inherited cracked the top 25 before the first major setback.

In year 3 he adds Herndon and Washington. Anybody can see Herndon is going to be a player and Washington was highly though of prior to some freshman growing pains....kind of like what we're seeing from Gorski and Lieberman (the two best shooters on the team and both are true freshman). The team was playing well and in 3rd place when the Pokes had their 2nd major setback.

Last years class was slightly better, but luckily Shyatt is able to bring these guys along slowly. Let's remember, Shyatt didn't have the luxury of redshirting many of his first year guys. Nance and Adams have started since their freshman year, Grabau since he was a sophomore. The team had been playing great. Tied for 1st place until mono strikes two of our top 6 players. Major setback #3.

This years class looks to be Shyatt's best by far. I look forward to the day when the Pokes can get through a season without a major interruption. It does appear if some of the bigs can be developed (Barnes, Momeka, Naughton), there will be come quality depth in the near future.

It has been a frustrating year after such a promising start, but this program in heading north. And the AA renovations are going to help speed up the process.

The bottom line is we wouldn't be seeing threads like this if Nance and Herndon didn't come down with mono. We wouldn't be where we are today.

Go Pokes!

Close the thread. He said everything that makes sense to say

 

[bladerunnr]

I just need to post one thing in here then I'm done with this thread.

Steve Fisher took over the Aztecs in 99-00 he had a record of 81-97 (26-58) during his first 6 years as he turned a dead Basketball school around. It took him 6 years not to build a team but to build a program that people wanted to play at. During that time he had 1 NIT bid and 1 NCAA bid. Not to mention the time change alone Basketball was a different sport between 00-06.

Shyatt has been in Laramie for 4 years he has a record of 80-48 (29-35) he has taken us to 3 CBI Tournaments and highly likely a 4th this year. It is a hell of a lot harder to build a Basketball program in 11-15 with a completely different sport today.

Some of you guys are already talking like he has failed in Wyoming. You seem to think this is Alabama or Texas somewhere kids are in a hurry to get to. If it took Fisher 6 years to turn around a shit program in California why do you think Shyatt can do it faster in Wyoming? 6-8 Years that is what it is going to take to gain some Basketball respect, To get ranked in the polls and to bring this program out of the dumpster it was in.

Now 10 years later San Diego State is a respected Basketball program where would it be if they got rid of Fisher after 6 years of shitty seasons? I hate to tell some of you this but if you can't put up with 2-3 more seasons of winning 20 games w/o a NCAA bid you are going to be frustrated cheering for the Pokes.

I've tried this comparison with others on here, it doesn't stick...

I'll tell you why. A more relevant comparison is csewe. Tim Miles took over a dumpster fire in Fort Collins. They went 0-16 in conference play his first year. Three years later they were in the NIT and in the NCAA tournament the year after that. Guys like you are always apologizing for our coaches and preaching patience. If I'm not mistaken, you defended Schroyer quite often. In fact, I'm pretty sure you will defend the Wyoming coach (football or basketball) no matter how bad the results are. That's fine. There are always 2 sides to every argument. But you lose me when you talk about how good the recruiting classes are getting. If any of these guys could play, they'd be contributing right now. They are projects at best. And finally, no one is suggesting we fire the coach. But don't defend him on the dubious achievement of 20 wins. Short of scheduling cooking schools, our ooc schedule could not get any weaker.

You are mistaken but more power to you to search through 4 years worth of my posts about Schroyer so you can feel better about yourself. I 'll actually feel bad if you don't find some post I posted 7 years ago where I defended Schroyer if it exists I'd like to see it as well.

Ya your right it would be much better if we played teams we couldn't beat and only won half as many games.

Guys like you will always complain about everything we play good schedules and lose you will complain. We play bad schedules and win and you will complain. You have to learn to win as a team to build a program if Shyatt threw the kids to the wolves with schedules they couldn't win he wouldn't be building a program you however don't seem to understand what build means. Clearly you would be ok if we went 10-20 as long as the 20 losses came against ranked teams.

Tim Miles comparison is way off he went 71–88 (28–50) and he last year was his best year. He left Colorado State because he could see the writing on the wall he did the best with he could with what he had. I believe he left becaue he knew that CSU couldn't get that much better.

Heath Schroyer took over a team that was on the rise and he completely flat lined it. By the time he left Wyoming we were barely able to beat a conference team. What Shyatt walked into is much like what Tim Miles walked into and after 4 years he got his first NIT bid.

Tim Miles saw the writing on the wall? The year after he left they were even better. They won an NCAA tournament game and had a far better conference record. He left because Nebraska offered him a big pile of money.
He waited for csewe to match the offer and they decided not to.