CSU's 11-0 record is not...

[kansasCowboy]

CSU is fool's gold. Here's how I see the MWC unfolding:

1. Wyoming 14-4
2. SDSU 13-5
3. New Mexico 12-6
4. Boise 11-7
4. CSU 11-7

If that's how you see it, then there is a really good chance that we see probably 3/5 or 4/5 of those teams in the tourney.

 

[LanderPoke]

CSU is fool's gold. Here's how I see the MWC unfolding:

1. Wyoming 14-4
2. SDSU 13-5
3. New Mexico 12-6
4. Boise 11-7
4. CSU 11-7

If that's how you see it, then there is a really good chance that we see probably 3/5 or 4/5 of those teams in the tourney.

Now that I look at it again not that many teams can win that many games, but I do think that they'll finish in that order.

 

[calpoke25]

Let's not forget that these guys truly haven't played ANYBODY yet and NOBODY on the road. Going to CU for them really isn't much of a road game at all. Ya know what I mean? They've had a weaker schedule then us and we haven't even played that tough of one. Let's keep our eye on this Cal/Wisconsin game too. Should tell us a little about ourselves.

I want whatever you and a few others are smoking.

Per realtime RPI CSU's current SOS is 106, Wyoming's is 257.
Per Sagarin CSU's SOS is 204, Wyoming's is 337.
Per Kenpom CSU's SOS is 204, Wyoming's is 331.

I hope Wyoming is the better team at the end of the year, and they have a chance to be, but by virtually any metric, aside from the Brown and Gold eye test, CSU is currently, and I emphasize currently, the better team.

 

[POKE FAN]

CSU is fool's gold. Here's how I see the MWC unfolding:

1. Wyoming 14-4
2. SDSU 13-5
3. New Mexico 12-6
4. Boise 11-7
4. CSU 11-7

If that's how you see it, then there is a really good chance that we see probably 3/5 or 4/5 of those teams in the tourney.

Now that I look at it again not that many teams can win that many games, but I do think that they'll finish in that order.

The standings could certainly be a little top-heavy this year with how poorly SJSU and Nevada are playing so far. Could the Spartans go winless in conference?

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Let's not forget that these guys truly haven't played ANYBODY yet and NOBODY on the road. Going to CU for them really isn't much of a road game at all. Ya know what I mean? They've had a weaker schedule then us and we haven't even played that tough of one. Let's keep our eye on this Cal/Wisconsin game too. Should tell us a little about ourselves.

I want whatever you and a few others are smoking.

Per realtime RPI CSU's current SOS is 106, Wyoming's is 257.
Per Sagarin CSU's SOS is 204, Wyoming's is 337.
Per Kenpom CSU's SOS is 204, Wyoming's is 331.

I hope Wyoming is the better team at the end of the year, and they have a chance to be, but by virtually any metric, aside from the Brown and Gold eye test, CSU is currently, and I emphasize currently, the better team.

I noticed that too....I don't get that....We play very similar if not almost identical schedules... Who do they play on there non conference schedule tougher than ours?

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

I agree. You know what? Fuck all this computer bullshit. RPI and SOS always seem to inflate if your undefeated so they can take all those ratings and shove it. Guess what? We might be undefeated too if Cal and SMU came up to Laramie. I'm just saying CSU has played a ton of games at home (like us) and lesser competition then us on the road. I'm not impressed by their hype and double that since they're one of our main rivals. I said it sucks to be a CSU RAM!!! Let their ranking rise...the harder it will fall when we beat their asses in greenie land! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

We'll learn everything we need to know come conference. I might be wrong and I might have the MEGA brown n gold glasses on smoking things you wish you had in WYO :laugh: , but this is the year I'm looking to lose my mind with optimism for the Pokes. I do think we're one athletic guard or big man away from being a LEGIT top 25 team, but that said college bball is a game were you can overachieve with our type of team.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I agree. You know what? Fuck all this computer bullshit. RPI and SOS always seem to inflate if your undefeated so they can take all those ratings and shove it. Guess what we might be undefeated too if Cal and SMU came up to Laramie. I'm just saying CSU has played a ton of games at home (like us) and lesser competition then us on the road. I'm not impressed by their hype and double that since they're one of our main rivals. I said it sucks to be a CSU RAM!!! Let their ranking rise...the harder it will fall when we beat their asses in greenie land! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

We'll learn everything we need to know come conference. I might be wrong and I might have the MEGA brown n gold glasses on smoking things you wish you had in WYO :laugh: , but this is the year I'm looking to lose my mind with optimism for the Pokes. I do think we're one athletic guard or big man away from being a LEGIT top 25 team, but that said college bball is a game were you can overachieve with our type of team.

Agreed +1,000,000

 

[kansasCowboy]

CSU is fool's gold. Here's how I see the MWC unfolding:

1. Wyoming 14-4
2. SDSU 13-5
3. New Mexico 12-6
4. Boise 11-7
4. CSU 11-7

Before you convince yourself that we have the best conference record this year take a look at this ranking. Now I know we can only control our wins and losses against our opponents, but this is MWC opponents records per MWC team schedule up to this point.
1. SJSU 70-43 (.619) record: 2-10; top opp: Wash 11-0; Port 9-3; UC Dav 9-1; Pepper 7-3
2. UNLV 81-54 (.600) record: 7-3; top opp: Ariz 12-0; KU 9-2; Utah 8-2; Temp 8-4; Stanf 6-3; Port 9-3
3. SDSU 81-54 (.600) record: 9-3; top opp: Utah 8-2; Ariz 12-0; BYU 9-3; Pitt 8-3; Wash 11-0; Cinci 7-3
4. Boise 66-51 (.564) record: 10-2; Wisc 11-1; NCST 9-3; St Mary 7-3; Loyola Ill 9-2
5. AFA. 55-43 .(561) record: 7-4; Army 8-2; Col 7-3; TTU 9-2; UC Dav 9-1
6. Nev. 64-51. (.556) record: 3-8; Set Hall 9-2; Clem 7-4; Cal 10-2; Pacif 8-4
7. Fres. 67-56. (.544) record: 4-8; Pepper 7-3; Evansv 9-2; Cal 10-2; TTU 9-2; Pacif 8-4
8. CSU. 65-57. (.532) record: 12-0; GSU 7-3; Pacif 8-4; Utep 8-4; Col 7-3
9. USU. 63-56. (.529) record: 6-5; Ill St 7-4; UC Dav 9-1; BYU 9-3; USC 7-4; S Dak St 9-3
10.UNM 67-72. (.482) record: 8-3; Tex A&M 7-3; USC 7-4; Valpo 12-2; BC 6-4
11.Wyo 52-76. (.406) record: 10-2; Col 7-3; SMU 8-3; Cal 10-2

We scheduled what was a good OOC based off of last year. This year, it is hurting us. I think I'd put us around 11 maybe 12 wins in conf play, if we keep our heads. But I haven't seen anything yet this year that says we will be the best in conference. SDS will still be up there, UNLV may still be a top three, have to see how they fair against Ariz and KU, Utah just handled them. BSU may be the other to top the three. And that's even w/out Drimic. Does anyone know what happened to him. CSU has proven they can win against good comp. UNM has progressed since losing Neal. We've shown that we can beat and play against top comp (1-2). And USU and AFA may be tough day to day.
It's still going to be a tough run through conference play. So hopefully we get Grabau and Herndon back soon. We are definitely going to need everyone healthy.
I see 11-2 OOC, 12-6 conf. 23-8. And on the Bubble for NCAA.

 

[TSpoke]

Let's not forget that these guys truly haven't played ANYBODY yet and NOBODY on the road. Going to CU for them really isn't much of a road game at all. Ya know what I mean? They've had a weaker schedule then us and we haven't even played that tough of one. Let's keep our eye on this Cal/Wisconsin game too. Should tell us a little about ourselves.

I want whatever you and a few others are smoking.

Per realtime RPI CSU's current SOS is 106, Wyoming's is 257.
Per Sagarin CSU's SOS is 204, Wyoming's is 337.
Per Kenpom CSU's SOS is 204, Wyoming's is 331.

I hope Wyoming is the better team at the end of the year, and they have a chance to be, but by virtually any metric, aside from the Brown and Gold eye test, CSU is currently, and I emphasize currently, the better team.

I noticed that too....I don't get that....We play very similar if not almost identical schedules... Who do they play on there non conference schedule tougher than ours?

The top of our schedules are similar(or ours a little harder with Cal and SMU on the road) but their cupcake teams are not as shitty as our cupcake teams. thats the difference. A difference between a 200 and a 300 ranked team on the court might not be that big cuz thye both suck but to the RPI it makes a big difference.

 

[kansasCowboy]

That difference makers: when they play someone like Georg st. (7-3) they won against nobody special, compared to a team like Southern (3-10), who has played and lost close to top comp like ISU, Baylor and trashed by us. Had these two teams had a similar SOS then you'd not see much a difference. Stetson currently (3-10) also take on stronger comp and lose, like Flor. st. Our biggest blunders on our schedule was scheduling two non D1 schools, Western St and Regis. Stick with one. And also FAMU (0-11). They are truly a BAD team.

 

[LanderPoke]

CSU is fool's gold. Here's how I see the MWC unfolding:

1. Wyoming 14-4
2. SDSU 13-5
3. New Mexico 12-6
4. Boise 11-7
4. CSU 11-7

Before you convince yourself that we have the best conference record this year take a look at this ranking. Now I know we can only control our wins and losses against our opponents, but this is MWC opponents records per MWC team schedule up to this point.
1. SJSU 70-43 (.619) record: 2-10; top opp: Wash 11-0; Port 9-3; UC Dav 9-1; Pepper 7-3
2. UNLV 81-54 (.600) record: 7-3; top opp: Ariz 12-0; KU 9-2; Utah 8-2; Temp 8-4; Stanf 6-3; Port 9-3
3. SDSU 81-54 (.600) record: 9-3; top opp: Utah 8-2; Ariz 12-0; BYU 9-3; Pitt 8-3; Wash 11-0; Cinci 7-3
4. Boise 66-51 (.564) record: 10-2; Wisc 11-1; NCST 9-3; St Mary 7-3; Loyola Ill 9-2
5. AFA. 55-43 .(561) record: 7-4; Army 8-2; Col 7-3; TTU 9-2; UC Dav 9-1
6. Nev. 64-51. (.556) record: 3-8; Set Hall 9-2; Clem 7-4; Cal 10-2; Pacif 8-4
7. Fres. 67-56. (.544) record: 4-8; Pepper 7-3; Evansv 9-2; Cal 10-2; TTU 9-2; Pacif 8-4
8. CSU. 65-57. (.532) record: 12-0; GSU 7-3; Pacif 8-4; Utep 8-4; Col 7-3
9. USU. 63-56. (.529) record: 6-5; Ill St 7-4; UC Dav 9-1; BYU 9-3; USC 7-4; S Dak St 9-3
10.UNM 67-72. (.482) record: 8-3; Tex A&M 7-3; USC 7-4; Valpo 12-2; BC 6-4
11.Wyo 52-76. (.406) record: 10-2; Col 7-3; SMU 8-3; Cal 10-2

We scheduled what was a good OOC based off of last year. This year, it is hurting us. I think I'd put us around 11 maybe 12 wins in conf play, if we keep our heads. But I haven't seen anything yet this year that says we will be the best in conference. SDS will still be up there, UNLV may still be a top three, have to see how they fair against Ariz and KU, Utah just handled them. BSU may be the other to top the three. And that's even w/out Drimic. Does anyone know what happened to him. CSU has proven they can win against good comp. UNM has progressed since losing Neal. We've shown that we can beat and play against top comp (1-2). And USU and AFA may be tough day to day.
It's still going to be a tough run through conference play. So hopefully we get Grabau and Herndon back soon. We are definitely going to need everyone healthy.
I see 11-2 OOC, 12-6 conf. 23-8. And on the Bubble for NCAA.

I'm convinced that our worst case scenario is third place. I'm really hoping for first place. Hell, I'd just be happy with a winning conference record, actually. We haven't had one of those since 02-03?

 

[NowherePoke]

Let's not forget that these guys truly haven't played ANYBODY yet and NOBODY on the road. Going to CU for them really isn't much of a road game at all. Ya know what I mean? They've had a weaker schedule then us and we haven't even played that tough of one. Let's keep our eye on this Cal/Wisconsin game too. Should tell us a little about ourselves.

I want whatever you and a few others are smoking.

Per realtime RPI CSU's current SOS is 106, Wyoming's is 257.
Per Sagarin CSU's SOS is 204, Wyoming's is 337.
Per Kenpom CSU's SOS is 204, Wyoming's is 331.

I hope Wyoming is the better team at the end of the year, and they have a chance to be, but by virtually any metric, aside from the Brown and Gold eye test, CSU is currently, and I emphasize currently, the better team.

I noticed that too....I don't get that....We play very similar if not almost identical schedules... Who do they play on there non conference schedule tougher than ours?

It's not who they play, it's who they don't play. No FAMU, Stetson, or Southern. Those three teams are a combined 1-31 against D1 opponents. The rest of our opponents are 39-37. Not great, but passable.

Now, if you look at CSU. Their three worst opponents by winning percentage (UCSB, Montana, UNC) have a combined D-1 record of 8-19. Their remaining 9 opponents are at 42-38.

Combined that is a difference of 50-57 for CSU compared to 40-68 for Wyoming. That's a big statistical difference. That is a blunt look that doesn't take into account the fact that home wins count for less than road wins with neutral wins in between and CSU's opponents have played tougher schedules than ours on the balance as well.

So, if you look at it, 25% of the RPI is your own winning percentage. CSU is tied for 1st in the nation there while we are 39th (remember that home wins count for less than road wins so a lot of other teams with similar records actually have higher AWP's in the RPI formula since they have won road and neutral games, also D2 games don't count).

The 50% is opponents winning percentage (covered above) and the other 25% is opponents opponents winning percentage which I am not going to delve into but it appears to favor CSU right now as well.


They have done a good job of scheduling quality mid-majors and playing in a neutral court tourney. We played too many straight cupcakes.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Let's not forget that these guys truly haven't played ANYBODY yet and NOBODY on the road. Going to CU for them really isn't much of a road game at all. Ya know what I mean? They've had a weaker schedule then us and we haven't even played that tough of one. Let's keep our eye on this Cal/Wisconsin game too. Should tell us a little about ourselves.

I want whatever you and a few others are smoking.

Per realtime RPI CSU's current SOS is 106, Wyoming's is 257.
Per Sagarin CSU's SOS is 204, Wyoming's is 337.
Per Kenpom CSU's SOS is 204, Wyoming's is 331.

I hope Wyoming is the better team at the end of the year, and they have a chance to be, but by virtually any metric, aside from the Brown and Gold eye test, CSU is currently, and I emphasize currently, the better team.

I noticed that too....I don't get that....We play very similar if not almost identical schedules... Who do they play on there non conference schedule tougher than ours?

It's not who they play, it's who they don't play. No FAMU, Stetson, or Southern. Those three teams are a combined 1-31 against D1 opponents. The rest of our opponents are 39-37. Not great, but passable.

Now, if you look at CSU. Their three worst opponents by winning percentage (UCSB, Montana, UNC) have a combined D-1 record of 8-19. Their remaining 9 opponents are at 42-38.

Combined that is a difference of 50-57 for CSU compared to 40-68 for Wyoming. That's a big statistical difference. That is a blunt look that doesn't take into account the fact that home wins count for less than road wins with neutral wins in between and CSU's opponents have played tougher schedules than ours on the balance as well.

So, if you look at it, 25% of the RPI is your own winning percentage. CSU is tied for 1st in the nation there while we are 39th (remember that home wins count for less than road wins so a lot of other teams with similar records actually have higher AWP's in the RPI formula since they have won road and neutral games, also D2 games don't count).

The 50% is opponents winning percentage (covered above) and the other 25% is opponents opponents winning percentage which I am not going to delve into but it appears to favor CSU right now as well.


They have done a good job of scheduling quality mid-majors and playing in a neutral court tourney. We played too many straight cupcakes.

Thats a great way to break it out. Thanks for that, it makes sense. I'm happy where were at. I think we'll make a deep run in conference.

 

[stymeman]

the test for us and our new bench comes 1/7 when we invade Moby, just wish it wasn't on a Wednesday night, although I hate going to that barn

 

[Wyo2dal]

You can say what you want about CSU but they are the only ranked MWC Team.

 

[laxwyo]

No talking shit until we pimp them

 

[BeaverPoke]

the test for us and our new bench comes 1/7 when we invade Moby, just wish it wasn't on a Wednesday night, although I hate going to that barn

Why? I'm glad it is a Wednesday night. The littler the crowd the better. It's before CSU students get back and in the middle of the week. We need their arena as quiet as possible. The last 2 times we have been there have been blowouts, why ask for the same?

 

[kansasCowboy]

the test for us and our new bench comes 1/7 when we invade Moby, just wish it wasn't on a Wednesday night, although I hate going to that barn

Why? I'm glad it is a Wednesday night. The littler the crowd the better. It's before CSU students get back and in the middle of the week. We need their arena as quiet as possible. The last 2 times we have been there have been blowouts, why ask for the same?

So what? We can't ask for a sellout of 9,000 and a one point OT win, like we did with Bailey and Davis? The Rocky Mountain region has the best records in the conference, and we're hoping for a small crowd? Really?
Yet I'm sure you'll be the first to bitch if we only get 5,000 for UNLV...

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Watching the game tonight against NMSU and a number of things jump out at me.

1. Take away set shots, make them create, and they're average at best. CSU is very beatable.

2. Does CSU recruit ACTUAL high schoolers? Every player on the floor so far has been a transfer.....

3. These announcers are total homers. You'd think CSU was the #1 one team in the country and the MWC will cower before their greatness. I can't tell if my sense of nausea is my sickness or these dopes...

 

[fromolwyoming]

Watching the game tonight against NMSU and a number of things jump out at me.

1. Take away set shots, make them create, and they're average at best. CSU is very beatable.

2. Does CSU recruit ACTUAL high schoolers? Every player on the floor so far has been a transfer.....

3. These announcers are total homers. You'd think CSU was the #1 one team in the country and the MWC will cower before their greatness. I can't tell if my sense of nausea is my sickness or these dopes...

Yeah, that's the biggest issue I have with them. They rely almost completely on transfers rather than recruiting kids from highschool and developing them.