ragtimejoe1
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Overblown or real problem?
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Asmodeanreborn
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I assume it's critical race theory.
I'd say as per usual, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. One side thinks it's the end-all be-all and the only thing we should care about at the moment, and the other thinks we should stop teaching about slavery because racism doesn't exist anymore.
Do people of color have different opportunities and get treated differently by SOME law enforcement personnel than white people? Duh? Should every white person feel ashamed that our ancestors were racist slave owners? Hell no.
Should we pretend history didn't happen? No? Why the hell do we need to pretend that this country somehow has a perfect track record? No other country's history is clean either, and no Western democracy pretends that's the case. Germany isn't pretending Nazis didn't murder 6 Million Jews.
Maybe some people prefer their heads in the sand, though, similar to Turkey denying the Armenian genocide, or China pretending the Tiananmen Square massacre didn't take place (or the rest of the world happily pretending they don't currently have concentration camps). But I honestly don't think that's what most people want, outside of some Q radicals.
Similarly, I don't think a vast majority of people want to crawl on their knees and worship anybody who has a drop of slave blood in them.
I'd say as per usual, the answer lies somewhere in the middle. One side thinks it's the end-all be-all and the only thing we should care about at the moment, and the other thinks we should stop teaching about slavery because racism doesn't exist anymore.
Do people of color have different opportunities and get treated differently by SOME law enforcement personnel than white people? Duh? Should every white person feel ashamed that our ancestors were racist slave owners? Hell no.
Should we pretend history didn't happen? No? Why the hell do we need to pretend that this country somehow has a perfect track record? No other country's history is clean either, and no Western democracy pretends that's the case. Germany isn't pretending Nazis didn't murder 6 Million Jews.
Maybe some people prefer their heads in the sand, though, similar to Turkey denying the Armenian genocide, or China pretending the Tiananmen Square massacre didn't take place (or the rest of the world happily pretending they don't currently have concentration camps). But I honestly don't think that's what most people want, outside of some Q radicals.
Similarly, I don't think a vast majority of people want to crawl on their knees and worship anybody who has a drop of slave blood in them.
ragtimejoe1
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I pretty much agree with Asmodeanreborn. The thing I notice is that it fails to describe all of historic racism and focuses on pieces to fit a narrative = indoctrination.
It fails to discuss Indigenous slavery prior to arrival of Europeans. It fails to discuss Indigenous and other underrepresented groups' involvement in the African American slave trade (which also includes African Americans involved in operating the African American slave trade). You can't restrict the topic to US borders when the US wasn't even formed and those borders didn't exist. You must explore all of slavery or near-slavery...Irish, Asian Americans, etc. You must explore all players and all regions which drove the slave trade.
You must also explore modern slavery and extreme human rights violations that we turn a blind eye to because it doesn't happen in our borders and it helps generate things like batteries, shoes, markets for our products, etc.
Educate or indoctrinate. CRT seems more like the latter as does ignoring these topics altogether.
It fails to discuss Indigenous slavery prior to arrival of Europeans. It fails to discuss Indigenous and other underrepresented groups' involvement in the African American slave trade (which also includes African Americans involved in operating the African American slave trade). You can't restrict the topic to US borders when the US wasn't even formed and those borders didn't exist. You must explore all of slavery or near-slavery...Irish, Asian Americans, etc. You must explore all players and all regions which drove the slave trade.
You must also explore modern slavery and extreme human rights violations that we turn a blind eye to because it doesn't happen in our borders and it helps generate things like batteries, shoes, markets for our products, etc.
Educate or indoctrinate. CRT seems more like the latter as does ignoring these topics altogether.
LanderPoke
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Better to teach that we are all equals and no one bears responsibility for the way the world is or what happened in the past. CRT seems like divisive bullshit to me. Need to focus on ways to make the world a better place going forward.
fromolwyoming
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I'm with Asmodean on this as well. CRT is complex, no doubt. And while the one end, "be white, better apologize for slavery" or whatever, is extreme, so is sweeping it under the rug. Particularly the history and modern issues that CRT coverts.
ragtimejoe1
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Had my first experience with this crap. Our school board adopted it. 5th graders didn't even know who Christopher Columbus was. Instead, associated him as white European explorers who resembled modern terrorists and decimated innocent Natives who were living in peace and harmony.
Now, I have 0 issue describing the brutality of the era as long as it is all taught.
CRT is a terrible thing to teach kids. History is complex and it is a fool's errand to judge the past in today's context.
Now, I have 0 issue describing the brutality of the era as long as it is all taught.
CRT is a terrible thing to teach kids. History is complex and it is a fool's errand to judge the past in today's context.
LanderPoke
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Same. I asked my child what she knew about the Pilgrims and all she had to say was they should have been nicer to the indians. What the hell? Makes me cringe. We've been having a lot of history lessons at home now.ragtimejoe1 said:
They teach that only white people are capable of committing atrocities and that black people in America were the only people in history to ever be enslaved.
well, Arabs were the greatest enslavers in history. Almost all blacks that that were enslaved in America were captured in Africa by other black people. I just read about the Comanche indians, a tribe that committed brutal acts that are unthinkable by today's standards (also badass horsemen and women), the Cherokee took their slaves with them on the Trail of Tears. Japanese killed and raped millions. Same with the Soviets and Nazis. History is complicated, but what has occurred in America by white people is certainly no worse than has occurred in other parts of the world at various times and honestly pales in comparison.
America is the most equal and tolerant place in the history of the world, but these asshole educators are teaching our children to resent, detest and abhor her. Sickening.
ragtimejoe1
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laxwyo said:
Preach. This stuff needs eradicated.
