Craig Bohl: Simply an illusionist?

[BackHarlowRoad]

B.) getting clobbered on the field because they're 165 lbs.

This is the craziest part about this year for me. We've never been the biggest, strongest, or fastest...but the guys I see on the field are so incredibly tiny and feeble looking. It's bizarre.

Sub-200 pound LBs and 200 pound defense ends. What in the world.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Can anyone tell me why Bohl didn't bring any juco kids in to fill the voids with all the damn freshmen?????

Same reason Shyatt "Shys" away from JUCOs. He wants to build something long term. Not a quick fix.
You never know how it will all play out. We've had JUCOs come in that have never panned out too.
Our DE Faaui was this years...

Huh? Granberry, Hankerson, and Cooke were all Juco's.

He has stated that he prefers HS players. Hankerson was a transfer from Alabama and Granberry was a transfer from North Florida or somewhere around there. Both were D1 players not JUCOs. COOKE was a JUCO. Marshall this year is a JUCO. Can you name any others in his five years?
Bohl never said NO to JUCOs he just prefers HS. Which is why he has still had a few JUCOs.

Hayden Dalton. And juco or D1 transfer doesn't matter. They're both designed to come in and provide a quick fix. So you can't exclude granberry or hankerson

Don't bother Kansas with facts. He says anything to fit his narrative. Like comparing Bohl's taking this job to starting a new business. The 2 endeavors have nothing in common, of course. Bohl coming in to take over an existing program is nothing like starting a new business. He's the new ceo of the company trying to right the ship. The product is the same, the game is the same, and the talent pool is the same. We hope he is going to recruit better talent and get them to perform better on the field. There's nothing "new" about it. Kansas will say anything to justify why it should take umpteen years to produce something on the field that's remotely competitive.

You've endured umpteen years of losing already.... We all have. I'm the guy that says we're pulling the plug too early on a coach to make any lasting change to the program. But you know, what's another umpteen years of losing going about the same way we have the last 16 years with the same results?
Why don't you digest that for a while. We've never produced anything sustainable with any coach. We've never given quite the time they needed. We've already argued it, and I'm not going to do it again. The closest any coach came was Koenning, and we only gave him three years. THREE. Like him or not he had the team competing his last year and would've had a senior heavy team coming back. Glenn was also close and we gave him six years. DC built a one deminsional team Offense only and has killed our entire defensive unit. Bohl inherits 16 years of a mess. The longer we go through coaches the longer it will take.

 

[WyoBrandX]

Glenn beat some big name teams. He had beaten every team in the conference at least once. He had his up's and down's, but hell, its sad to look at him as the bright spot of the last 15 years.

But he hasn't been the bright spot...DC has.

:lol:

Glenn pasted a Virginia team that finished 9-4 by 20 points in UW's home opener. DC lost to Cal Poly. Most talented player on this side of Jay Novacek? Yep, that was Glenn's doing, too. Koenning, strangely enough, came the closest to beating a highly ranked team (an undefeated BYU team in 2001) of anyone we've had since the late 90's. It would be really nice if ANYONE could put a scare into a good team anymore. And I'm not talking about losing by 31 points to Texas in a game we led at one point. Yeah, Texas was a pretty good team in 2009 - you want to know who the best player on the field for either team was? Tashaun Gipson, by miles. Still shows how big the discrepancy is across a full roster.

I don't even know what the point of my post was. My apologies. It sucks to suck and I'm tired of sucking. But god damn, do we suck.

2 bowls in 5 years vs 1 in 6. Getting us to two bowls alone makes DC our best coach since...what, Tiller probably? I realize that it's a tallest midget contest, but DC is that "tall midget" right now.

Well, let's get something straight. The 2009 bowl doesn't ever happen if DC doesn't inherit three future NFL players (including one who might be an All-Pro) from Glenn, not to mention about 12 other key role players. That team was, by far, DC's strongest...and a 7-6 campaign was won on the back of Glenn's own players.

As for the 2011 season, there was good reason we got absolutely demolished by Temple in the bowl game, and it's because we had beaten no one that season. The 8-win mark was inflated by wins over a number of really bad teams. Our 2011 team was the perfect example of why the NCAA's bowl system is so ridiculous - essentially being rewarded with post-season play for not being one of the worst 60 teams in the country. They had no business being in a post-season game and got clobbered consequentially by a Temple team that was decent, but hardly great.

The best team that Wyoming has fielded in the 21st century didn't even go bowling - it was Glenn's 6-6 team in 2006. But that team passed the eye-test, blowing out a Utah team that finished with a winning record (31-0 at one point in the game) and then blanking CSU 24-0, not to mention recording the only true scare of a top-10 team we've had in the 21st century (losing 17-10 to eventual Fiesta Bowl champion Boise State).

DC had more bowl appearances, better win %, slightly more wins per year, and I believe sent more players to the pros. Thats facts, not the "eye test." (You could check my last point, I didn't look anything up for that)

"Sent players to the pros" doesn't reflect the fact that Glenn was the guy who was responsible for the Gipsons, Unrein, Pro, and that entire defense minus Shamiel Gary. The basic numbers you're citing are deceptive. You need to look at the actual quality of teams and programs Glenn beat vs. Christensen. Also, keep in mind that Christensen's final couple of seasons were spent coaching in a pseudo-watered down Mountain West that didn't include BYU or Utah (and, for the final two, TCU). Finally, some of the margin of defeat in those 2005-2007 seasons: yes, there were a few dismal blowout losses, but there were several nail biters against good teams that cost UW potential bowl bids in all three of those campaigns.

Glenn wasn't a great coach, but luck was rarely on his side with untimely/inexplicable turnovers and injuries. Christensen was simply a really bad coach.

Yes, Dave was a really bad coach. And still our best since Tiller.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree here.

Coach A beat:
-Virginia
-TCU
-Tennessee
-UCLA
-Ole Miss
-BYU
-Utah

And had a 7-point loss to the eventual undefeated Fiesta Bowl champion (Boise State).

Coach B beat:
-Fresno State

And had a 31-point loss to the eventual #2 team in the country (Texas) where Wyoming led at one point late in the first half.

As far as caliber of teams, the overall state of the product, etc., you couldn't convince me that we were closer to turning the corner with DC than with Glenn. Glenn twice had us on the verge - in 2005 and 2007 - and it all went sour on a series of inexplicable plays and some genuinely bad luck. Keep in mind that the New Mexico Glenn couldn't get past was a MUCH different animal than the doormat Christensen walked over every year...oh, wait, he lost to a winless Lobo team in 2010.

Even in the down times, we had something pretty memorable to celebrate in each of Glenn's seasons.

2003: Probably the final time Wyoming ever defeated BYU and CSU in the same season

2004: The first bowl win in decades, and a win over a UCLA team from a Big-5 conference (those are few-and-far between, and Glenn got most of them) that had several lasting NFL players.

2005: A 4-1 start and perhaps the last true "big-time" game at War Memorial Stadium (vs. TCU). Oh, and a series-sweep of an SEC opponent.

2006: The best overall Wyoming team of the 21st century. The heartbreaking losses definitely put a damper because we were left wondering what could have been, but no one will soon forget looking at a scoreboard that read "Wyoming 31, Utah 0" over a Utah team that finished with a winning record. Keep in mind we've beaten a total of 10 FBS/Division I teams since 2000 that had winning records. This was the second-most impressive. Oh, and there was the blanking of CSU. And the near-upset of Boise.

2007: Another promising campaign that tailspun into catastrophe, but it still featured two better wins than any that DC ever recorded as head coach. Glenn's 23-3 masterpiece over eventual 9-4 Virginia is still, by miles, the best win Wyoming has recorded this century. And there was also, perhaps, Wyoming's final win ever over TCU.

2008: Yes, it was a dismal, rotten, no-good season. But it still featured this.

And, as far as I'm concerned, it's still the most memorable/stunning image of Wyoming football in the 2000's. It doesn't matter how bad Tennessee was that season...Wyoming beat a Fulmer-coached Vols team in Neyland Stadium, and it happened under Glenn. DC never had a win that remotely rivaled it.

That's fair. And despite arguing this, I like the hell out of Joe, and really couldn't stand Dave. But, Dave had better results, its that simple. And yes, one of the bowls was with a lot of Glenn's players, but Glenn doesn't win that or even get to that bowl. Cause Glenn doesn't bring in ACS.

I hear ya. I'll take Joe Glenn at Wyoming any day of the week - mainly because he competed in a tough MWC with defense - and a pretty reasonable offense.

Christensen - he could put together an offense. And it worked here except against good defensive teams. That last USU game for example - we lost - what 30x points to 7?

With Glenn, we played several Boise State teams that put 8x on the board offensively (average), and we held them to no more than 3 touchdowns.

Glenn had a defense. He had an offense. He needed a quarterback. I agree with that.

 

[WyoBrandX]

Can anyone tell me why Bohl didn't bring any juco kids in to fill the voids with all the damn freshmen?????

Same reason Shyatt "Shys" away from JUCOs. He wants to build something long term. Not a quick fix.
You never know how it will all play out. We've had JUCOs come in that have never panned out too.
Our DE Faaui was this years...

Huh? Granberry, Hankerson, and Cooke were all Juco's.

He has stated that he prefers HS players. Hankerson was a transfer from Alabama and Granberry was a transfer from North Florida or somewhere around there. Both were D1 players not JUCOs. COOKE was a JUCO. Marshall this year is a JUCO. Can you name any others in his five years?
Bohl never said NO to JUCOs he just prefers HS. Which is why he has still had a few JUCOs.

Hayden Dalton. And juco or D1 transfer doesn't matter. They're both designed to come in and provide a quick fix. So you can't exclude granberry or hankerson

Don't bother Kansas with facts. He says anything to fit his narrative. Like comparing Bohl's taking this job to starting a new business. The 2 endeavors have nothing in common, of course. Bohl coming in to take over an existing program is nothing like starting a new business. He's the new ceo of the company trying to right the ship. The product is the same, the game is the same, and the talent pool is the same. We hope he is going to recruit better talent and get them to perform better on the field. There's nothing "new" about it. Kansas will say anything to justify why it should take umpteen years to produce something on the field that's remotely competitive.

You've endured umpteen years of losing already.... We all have. I'm the guy that says we're pulling the plug too early on a coach to make any lasting change to the program. But you know, what's another umpteen years of losing going about the same way we have the last 16 years with the same results?
Why don't you digest that for a while. We've never produced anything sustainable with any coach. We've never given quite the time they needed. We've already argued it, and I'm not going to do it again. The closest any coach came was Koenning, and we only gave him three years. THREE. Like him or not he had the team competing his last year and would've had a senior heavy team coming back. Glenn was also close and we gave him six years. DC built a one deminsional team Offense only and has killed our entire defensive unit. Bohl inherits 16 years of a mess. The longer we go through coaches the longer it will take.

+100

 

[WyoBrandX]

Whats REALLY sad is that we're debating which coach with win percentage around 43% is the best of this century, and calling a 6-6 team the best of the last 15 years.

No kidding.

UW football is under .500 over the last 50 years...which is why I can't get too worked up about Bohl tearing it down to the foundation to start over. I couldn't care any less if we go winless this year, if that's what it takes.

This bullshit of trying to go 6-6 -- interspersed with 3-8 and 5-7 seasons -- to limp into another money-losing bowl has got to stop.

Nobody's gone all-in like this around here before, at least as far as I remember, and I find it refreshing.

Whoa - whoa - whoa - thats some propaganda if I've ever heard it. Drop that number to say - 15 - and then restate your comment. Seriously - who needs your FUD.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Whoa - whoa - whoa - thats some propaganda if I've ever heard it. Drop that number to say - 15 - and then restate your comment. Seriously - who needs your FUD.

From 1965-2014, Wyoming football has a record of 281-296-2. That's not propoganda, that's a fact.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

In most of the successful "builds" at the G5 level, winning seasons came within 4 years. That is my timeline. Obviously, if the MWC had a stellar year in a couple of years, that has to be evaluated (i.e. not just record).

The other part of this is that everyone assumes that complete destruction of the program down to the mid-FCS level is guaranteed to work or is the only way to build a program. Both of those are patently false. That is not to say that Bohl will fail either.

To me, that is where the divergence is on this board. The fanboys take it as absolute fact that the only way to do things is Bohl's way, this is the only possible way to success at WYO, and there is no way it will fail.

Others view it as, "well, if this is Bohl's method, let's see where this goes but it doesn't look good so far".

There are a couple that are ready to cut bait now but only a couple

 

[kansasCowboy]

In most of the successful "builds" at the G5 level, winning seasons came within 4 years. That is my timeline. Obviously, if the MWC had a stellar year in a couple of years, that has to be evaluated (i.e. not just record).

The other part of this is that everyone assumes that complete destruction of the program down to the mid-FCS level is guaranteed to work or is the only way to build a program. Both of those are patently false. That is not to say that Bohl will fail either.

To me, that is where the divergence is on this board. The fanboys take it as absolute fact that the only way to do things is Bohl's way, this is the only possible way to success at WYO, and there is no way it will fail.

Others view it as, "well, if this is Bohl's method, let's see where this goes but it doesn't look good so far".

There are a couple that are ready to cut bait now but only a couple

Just curious, how has Bohl killed the program to bring it back or start it over?

Changing the offense? Because he gets enough production to win games there. When the passing game struggles, the rushing seems to excel. When the rushing struggles, he gets the passing to excel, and on occasion they both do fine in the same game. I'm not saying we're perfect, but good enough to Win games and move the ball.

Is it the Defense? Because we've established that the killer of the D was DC and his lack of care for any D about 5 years ago. Is it on Bohl that he has nothing but his own Frosh and RS Frosh one LB and a underachieving DLine (but only one true gamer there too), is this Bohls fault? Or is he doing well enough to win games on offense and still playing catchup on defense?
Or is it that he is simply destroying the program for the simple fact that he hasn't won a game yet this season?

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Or is it that he is simply destroying the program for the simple fact that he hasn't won a game yet this season?

He destroyed the program because we currently are about a mid-level FCS team, if that. We got plastered by a mid-level FCS team. We are on track to not win an OOC game since 1989 and with the weakest OOC schedule we might have faced ever.

Even our bad teams before could handle the top end of FCS.

So yeah, he destroyed, destructed, whatever you want to call it. Now we see if it is the right approach to his building philosophy. His build at NDSU isn't even remotely close to what he has undertaken here. I trust that he can do it and should certainly be afforded 4 years at minimum, but I certainly wouldn't bet the farm that he will turn it around, either.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Whoa - whoa - whoa - thats some propaganda if I've ever heard it. Drop that number to say - 15 - and then restate your comment. Seriously - who needs your FUD.

From 1965-2014, Wyoming football has a record of 281-296-2. That's not propoganda, that's a fact.

Yup. Everyone talks about the "glory days". They were really just random outliers thrown into the middle of a string of not so good years. We've always sucked. Haven't sustained anything worthwhile since the Super Bowl started to be played.

Most consecutive winning seasons since Lloyd Eaton? Anyone know? Dana Dimel. With 3. Not Paul Roach, not Joe Tiller, Dana Dimel.

I guess what I'm starting to realize is that Craig Bohl's mission isn't to "bring back Cowboy Tough", it's to create it from scratch because it's never existed.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Yup. Everyone talks about the "glory days". They were really just random outliers thrown into the middle of a string of not so good years. We've always sucked. Haven't sustained anything worthwhile since the Super Bowl started to be played.

Most consecutive winning seasons since Lloyd Eaton? Anyone know? Dana Dimel. With 3. Not Paul Roach, not Joe Tiller, Dana Dimel.

I guess what I'm starting to realize is that Craig Bohl's mission isn't to "bring back Cowboy Tough", it's to create it from scratch because it's never existed.

I don't really agree with this. The difference was, that even in those losing seasons, we generally more competitive among our peers. For example:

1992 we were 5-7 but with total points for us at 302 and for opposition 341= we had quite a few competitive games
1991 we were 4-6-1 but the total points for us was 305 and for opposition was 357

In the more modern era

2013 we were 5-7 with total points 375 for us and 440 for opposition (this is on of our more competitive losing seasons)
2014 we were 4-8 with total points 253 for us and 394 for opposition (will be worse in 2015)

We sure as heck had better stretches during the 90s than now. 9-4, 4-6-1, 5-7, 8-4, 6-6, 6-5, 10-2, 7-6, 8-3, 7-4
compared with 2000 1-10, 2-9, 2-10, 4-8, 7-5, 4-7, 6-6, 5-7, 4-8, 7-6

So yeah, we need to re-establish WYO football. I'd take a run like the 90s again.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Yup. Everyone talks about the "glory days". They were really just random outliers thrown into the middle of a string of not so good years. We've always sucked. Haven't sustained anything worthwhile since the Super Bowl started to be played.

Most consecutive winning seasons since Lloyd Eaton? Anyone know? Dana Dimel. With 3. Not Paul Roach, not Joe Tiller, Dana Dimel.

I guess what I'm starting to realize is that Craig Bohl's mission isn't to "bring back Cowboy Tough", it's to create it from scratch because it's never existed.

I don't really agree with this. The difference was, that even in those losing seasons, we generally more competitive among our peers. For example:

1992 we were 5-7 but with total points for us at 302 and for opposition 341= we had quite a few competitive games
1991 we were 4-6-1 but the total points for us was 305 and for opposition was 357

In the more modern era

2013 we were 5-7 with total points 375 for us and 440 for opposition (this is on of our more competitive losing seasons)
2014 we were 4-8 with total points 253 for us and 394 for opposition (will be worse in 2015)

We sure as heck had better stretches during the 90s than now. 9-4, 4-6-1, 5-7, 8-4, 6-6, 6-5, 10-2, 7-6, 8-3, 7-4
compared with 2000 1-10, 2-9, 2-10, 4-8, 7-5, 4-7, 6-6, 5-7, 4-8, 7-6

So yeah, we need to re-establish WYO football. I'd take a run like the 90s again.

Yep....Dimel was the only coach...but that was after Tiller was run out of town. The mid to late 80's through the end of Dimel's tenure was a good stretch for Wyoming football. A few ranked seasons, a few 10+ win seasons, and with multiple coaches.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Yup. Everyone talks about the "glory days". They were really just random outliers thrown into the middle of a string of not so good years. We've always sucked. Haven't sustained anything worthwhile since the Super Bowl started to be played.

Most consecutive winning seasons since Lloyd Eaton? Anyone know? Dana Dimel. With 3. Not Paul Roach, not Joe Tiller, Dana Dimel.

I guess what I'm starting to realize is that Craig Bohl's mission isn't to "bring back Cowboy Tough", it's to create it from scratch because it's never existed.

We sure as heck had better stretches during the 90s than now. 9-4, 4-6-1, 5-7, 8-4, 6-6, 6-5, 10-2, 7-6, 8-3, 7-4
compared with 2000 1-10, 2-9, 2-10, 4-8, 7-5, 4-7, 6-6, 5-7, 4-8, 7-6

So yeah, we need to re-establish WYO football. I'd take a run like the 90s again.

Can't argue with you, but that also proves my point to a certain degree. We averaged 7 wins per season in the 90s and we talk about them like we were some sort of god-like football program. Many other programs look at that "run" in the 90s and would consider that an average-below average period. The fact we hold that era so dear to our hearts kind of proves that we've never been very good.

I would hope Bohl or whoever else is at the helm would ultimately want to strive for something better than 7 wins.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Can't argue with you, but that also proves my point to a certain degree. We averaged 7 wins per season in the 90s and we talk about them like we were some sort of god-like football program. Many other programs look at that "run" in the 90s and would consider that an average-below average period.

I would hope Bohl or whoever else is at the helm would ultimately want to strive for something better than 7 wins.

I guess that is my point though, that just averaging it isn't the way to look at it. If in a decade, we have two competitive but losing seasons, 2-3 very special seasons (10+ wins) a couple of 6-7 win seasons and 3-4 seasons with 7-9 wins, that would be pretty decent, IMO. Just averaging wins per season isn't the best measurement, again, IMO.

Naturally, I'd love the BSU-level of success and I think that is something to strive for. However, realistically, that is damn hard to replicate which is why nobody else has.

 

[johnywyo]

I have a relationship with Gene Taylor, now the Associate AD at Iowa. He hired Craig Bohl at NDSU, Gene and I worked with Bob Hitch at SMU during the Mustangs glory years. We were both interns in the Athletic Department pursuing our Masters. I've asked Gene his thought on Bohl's likelihood of success at Wyoming given his tenure and working with the man. When I get a response, I'll post it. Not that it means much, but it is insider information and Gene is a quality guy that won't inflate anyone's egos based on superficial bullshit.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Can't argue with you, but that also proves my point to a certain degree. We averaged 7 wins per season in the 90s and we talk about them like we were some sort of god-like football program. Many other programs look at that "run" in the 90s and would consider that an average-below average period.

I would hope Bohl or whoever else is at the helm would ultimately want to strive for something better than 7 wins.

I guess that is my point though, that just averaging it isn't the way to look at it. If in a decade, we have two competitive but losing seasons, 2-3 very special seasons (10+ wins) a couple of 6-7 win seasons and 3-4 seasons with 7-9 wins, that would be pretty decent, IMO. Just averaging wins per season isn't the best measurement, again, IMO.

Naturally, I'd love the BSU-level of success and I think that is something to strive for. However, realistically, that is damn hard to replicate which is why nobody else has.

I'm with you. I've griped about unrealistic expectations for years on end now. To get Wyo to BSU-status would be the greatest underdog story ever. Again, that proves that we suck. Haha.

2004, we shit stomped App State by 46 points. We are in the same place we were in 2004, they are now FBS and are favorited by what now...25 points against us?

Utah/BYU/TCU - all teams we competed with in the 90s. On to MUCH bigger and MUCH better things.

Here's what I'm saying about Bohl: our current definition of "cowboy tough" is what you described. Couple special seasons sprinkled in a few mediocre (competitive) seasons. What we are now is a few mediocre (competitive) seasons sprinkled in a few bad seasons. It's refreshing to know he wants more than that. He wants more special seasons than not and he believes that his brand of football and his brand of player is what ultimately will bring that to Wyo. He's building it from scratch. From the bottom up. I would definitely consider this year to be the absolute bottom. He's not bringing anything back, returning anything to glory, mediocre isn't glory.

It's refreshing to see because it's never been tried before. It might fail miserably. Or it could (however small the chances) lead to something more special than a stray 10-2 season against a super weak schedule ('96).

I've read countless posts on this forum using the word "mediocrity" and how no one at UW had the balls to try to switch things up and break out of the mediocrity shell. One thing cannot be denied, Bohl has a philosophy and he's sticking to it. Better be a long-term plan. Like you said, the 2000s is nothing to brag about. It's not like he's tearing down a dynasty.

 

[johnywyo]

I have a relationship with Gene Taylor, now the Associate AD at Iowa. He hired Craig Bohl at NDSU, Gene and I worked with Bob Hitch at SMU during the Mustangs glory years. We were both interns in the Athletic Department pursuing our Masters. I've asked Gene his thought on Bohl's likelihood of success at Wyoming given his tenure and working with the man. When I get a response, I'll post it. Not that it means much, but it is insider information and Gene is a quality guy that won't inflate anyone's egos based on superficial bullshit.

Gene's response:

"Tell the Wyoming fans the same thing Aaron Rogers told the Green Bay fans last year R-E-L-A-X. The cubbard was extremely bare and it he figured was going to take three years to get the kids in he needed so big results would be in year four with improvement in year three. I have seen this guy build a program and rebuild. He and that staff can get it done. Gene Taylor- GoHawks"

So for what its worth, from a guy who has made things happen at Navy, NDSU, and now prepping for the head job at Iowa. Kind of in line where some on this board have ventured an opinion in the same vein of reason.

 

[gpsit]

As an NDSU Alumni, Gene Taylor speaks the truth on Coach Bohl. I have seen his entire tenure of taking NDSU from D-II to FCS Champions in a very short time. In 2009 we had a 3-8 season. Fans at NDSU were asking for a change right away. He nearly lost his job in 2009. In 2010 we barely made the playoffs and went to Eastern Washington and lost on a questionable call in the quaters. EW went on that year to win the FCS Championship. Coach can change the program around, but it will take time. I can see a similarity of recruits between the two programs. The P5 schools can go out and recruit a freshman that makes an instant impact. For programs such as NDSU and the Cowboys, those players must be developed over the 5 years. That is what Coach Bohl does. Example, John Crockett who is on the GB Packer Practice squad right now. He had a tough time and Coach Bohl worked with him for two years to be eligible. Joe Mays was another fine young man mentored by Coach and played in the NFL. Getting JC transfers can bring along baggage and they really do not seem to work out, depending on where you are located.

Coach Bohl owes a lot of his success to those players at NDSU that had a very hard work ethic and worked as a team every day year around. His playbook is extremely complicated and as the players mature, they will get it. That is when the results will show. If the players buy into the system and only worry about doing their job perfect, you might be surprised in the results. When we played the FBS schools, I figured we would get blown out. We lost to MN after kicking them all day long and Coach Bohl stated, "We do not accept morale victories". THAT statement changed my mind in playing ANY FBS school moving forward. I believed we could win those games as did the players and we did.

Give him time. Success comes to those who are patient. If he was let go in 2009 from NDSU, we would not have 4 championship banners flying in the Fargodome right now. Go Bison and Go Cowyboys.

 

[djm19]

As an NDSU Alumni, Gene Taylor speaks the truth on Coach Bohl. I have seen his entire tenure of taking NDSU from D-II to FCS Champions in a very short time. In 2009 we had a 3-8 season. Fans at NDSU were asking for a change right away. He nearly lost his job in 2009. In 2010 we barely made the playoffs and went to Eastern Washington and lost on a questionable call in the quaters. EW went on that year to win the FCS Championship. Coach can change the program around, but it will take time. I can see a similarity of recruits between the two programs. The P5 schools can go out and recruit a freshman that makes an instant impact. For programs such as NDSU and the Cowboys, those players must be developed over the 5 years. That is what Coach Bohl does. Example, John Crockett who is on the GB Packer Practice squad right now. He had a tough time and Coach Bohl worked with him for two years to be eligible. Joe Mays was another fine young man mentored by Coach and played in the NFL. Getting JC transfers can bring along baggage and they really do not seem to work out, depending on where you are located.

Coach Bohl owes a lot of his success to those players at NDSU that had a very hard work ethic and worked as a team every day year around. His playbook is extremely complicated and as the players mature, they will get it. That is when the results will show. If the players buy into the system and only worry about doing their job perfect, you might be surprised in the results. When we played the FBS schools, I figured we would get blown out. We lost to MN after kicking them all day long and Coach Bohl stated, "We do not accept morale victories". THAT statement changed my mind in playing ANY FBS school moving forward. I believed we could win those games as did the players and we did.

Give him time. Success comes to those who are patient. If he was let go in 2009 from NDSU, we would not have 4 championship banners flying in the Fargodome right now. Go Bison and Go Cowyboys.

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[kansasCowboy]

Or is it that he is simply destroying the program for the simple fact that he hasn't won a game yet this season?

He destroyed the program because we currently are about a mid-level FCS team, if that. We got plastered by a mid-level FCS team. We are on track to not win an OOC game since 1989 and with the weakest OOC schedule we might have faced ever.

Even our bad teams before could handle the top end of FCS.

So yeah, he destroyed, destructed, whatever you want to call it. Now we see if it is the right approach to his building philosophy. His build at NDSU isn't even remotely close to what he has undertaken here. I trust that he can do it and should certainly be afforded 4 years at minimum, but I certainly wouldn't bet the farm that he will turn it around, either.

We are that? Or he took that over? Again. Can he control the defensive mess that you see before you? I'm not talking lack of play, I'm talking lack of depth and Extremely young? I don't think that is on Bohl. That hole was dug five years ago and progressively got worse with lack of recruiting and lack of coaching for three out of those five years.
Hence, Bohl stepped into the mess.
His recruiting classes seem pretty well planned out to try to get needs met at important areas and to try and gain much needed depth. But with as much depth and talent as we lack in a lot of areas it takes more than one or two recruiting classes to begin to bandage the wounds left over from two years ago. Like this years class, we see more linemen and LBs, things he's still recruited for in the past, but were not as big a priority as other areas at the time.

You need to realize how bad the program was that Bohl took over to be able to see what we're actually going through outside of the Wins and Losses.