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Concern about firing DC... (long)

wellpoke

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I hear and read a lot of talk about firing DC at the end of the season, and I get it. Offense has regressed the last few games, defense is lackluster at best, mediocrity has been the name of our game for the last few years, and there seems to be some issues in the locker room right now. I get it. And if that decision is made, I'll support it

But my fear is this. If DC is fired, who do we get? Let me 'splain.

Since I've been following Wyoming football (1996 or so), we've gone through five head coaches. I'll admit to not knowing a lot about Tiller's reign, but it seemed as though things were ok. Offense was good enough to put points up, and the defense was passable. Then Dimel came in, mostly to keep the ship afloat, seemingly. Lots of off the field issues more than any one problem on the field.

So we had a knee-jerk reaction to Dimel, and went for the exact opposite kind of guy. A seemingly unassuming guy who was already on staff and wouldn't "rock the boat." Of course we all know how Koenning's tenure turned out. Besides the on the field issues, I think he was run out of town because he wasn't likeable. Threw players under the bus, didn't take responsibility for his coaching or his staff, and ran boosters off. Time for a change, and quick.

So we had a knee-jerk reaction and went with the likeable guy who had shown great success at lower levels. He was everything Dimel wasn't. He was up for a rebuilding project, and told us we'd "eat this elephant one bite at a time." He told us we had the right players, we just had to do some work "above the shoulder pads." And then he was a victim of his own success. Come from behind Vegas bowl win over UCLA in year two?!! This ship is righted! And then we realized that Glenn was loyal to a fault and wouldn't make necessary staff changes (OC and some assistants) to improve the program. But by God his teams could play defense, even though his ball-control, smash-mouth, run-it-down-your-throat style of play couldn't always score enough to win. His likeability probably bought him an extra year or two.

So we had a knee-jerk reaction and brought in DC. He was everything Glenn wasn't. An offensive master-mind with lots of experience at the highest levels of the college game. He'd been through a rebuilding project and coached Heisman candidates. He wasn't as likeable, and ran a much tighter ship, but that was going to be ok, because we had visions of grandeur. To this point, I'd say he has upgraded the offense quite a bit, but at the complete and total expense of any defense. There's players out there on the defensive side, and they'll make a play every once in a while, but we all know it isn't enough. And it may cost him his job.

If it does, my fear is that we go out and get a defensive master-mind, because that's the glaring issue right now. Someone who's everything Christensen isn't. If we do, I fear we'll repeat the cycle again, and be looking for another offensive master-mind in 4 or 5 years.

If Burman pulls the trigger (or has the trigger pulled for him), I hope we go out and find the best candidate, regardless of their experience, and regardless of the recent history of the program. We need a guy who can manage both sides of the ball, and has the support to get good assistants on both sides to manage that. And I could really care less if the guy is here for a few years and jumps ship to a bigger or better school, because that would mean he proved himself while here, and would be leaving us in a much better place.

Just sayin'.

GO POKES!
 
Oh and by the way, I see the cycle already maybe repeating itself with Bill Young. Did they bring him in to get a jump on the hiring process? Maybe not, and maybe he'd be a good head coach. I really can't say. I just hope our only focus isn't the defense if the change is made.

GO POKES!
 
I have the answer - which I am sure nobody on this board has seen my post before:

Bobby "Bang A Young Hottie While Married" Petrino.
 
I think it was TrackPoke who posted something similar a couple days ago. Sorry if it was someone else. It was phenomenal and made me re-think how we look at this. His point was that we have now executed the following hiring strategies:

- The Promotion from Within (Koenning) Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time. Turned out it wasn't.
- The FCS National Champion (Glenn) Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time. It was for a while, but then wasn't.
- The BCS Coordinator (DC) Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time. Turned out it wasn't.

It's tough to argue with following any of the paths above. And it's equally tough to argue that any of them have worked. So what's left?

It seems to me that we are finally at the time to either Shit Or Get Off the Pot. The threat level, given the shifting sands of college football, is now existential. If we suck like this for another five years I think it's extremely likely that we find ourselves in some kind of college football purgatory. We are either going to try to be a high-level football program or not.

And if that's the case, I don't know that we have any choice other than to take a risk on a "name" coach in the mold of Franchione or Petrino. Or maybe we could get $2 million a year together to dangle at Pat Shurmur who has now spent a year coaching with Chip Kelly.
 
The option of doing nothing and maintaining the status quo (i.e. retaining DC) is equivalent to waving the white flag. I'd rather our state and football program do everything possible to improve even if it may mean that we are potentially worse for a year or two. "Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game."
 
I don't think those strategies are inherently wrong, I think we just got the wrong guys for the wrong reasons. Our focus was too narrow in each of those searches, because we only wanted the exact opposite of what we had just gotten rid of.

Your idea is good Cup. But given the current state of things in Laramie, do you think it's realistic? I find it more likely that we get an up-and-comer who's looking to prove himself, or another coordinator from a BCS school. I just hope we don't only focus on defensive guys.

Of course, this all assumes that DC is let go. I'm still not convinced that will happen.


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wellpoke said:
But given the current state of things in Laramie, do you think it's realistic? I find it more likely that we get an up-and-comer who's looking to prove himself, or another coordinator from a BCS school.

I don't know what's realistic anymore, and I agree that the previous strategies were sound but we just got the wrong guys.

Could we get Kirby Smart or Nussmeier off of Saban's staff? I don't know. CSU pulled it off but it requires some financial horsepower.

If I had to guess right now, and if it's Burman making the call, he'll probably go look for a defensive coordinator. Hopefully it works out. Given our history, it probably won't.

Goddamn, the more I think about this the more depressed I get.
 
I totally understand that point of view. Hawaii was in a similar position with Greg McMackin only a few years ago. UH went 6-7 in 2011 with a team loaded with talent and experience. That team went 10-4 the season before.....but UH fans got all high and mighty thinking they were some elite program and canned the guy for one disappointing season. Two years later, Norm Chow sits at 3-18 in his career as a head coach staring at 0-12 in 2013. UH fans sure wish they had Greg McMackin right about now.

Of course this is just one example, but my point is: be careful what you wish for. I'm all for Wyoming moving on from CDC....."IF"....they find the right coach. I will not be happy if they can CDC only to hire some OC/DC I've never heard of from a BCS program. UW will have to tread lightly.....find a guy who can turn things around in Laramie....not show up and be in the same position CDC was in 2009 just trying to figure out how Wyoming/Head coaching works at all. Those type of hires pan out maybe 20% of the time.
 
J-Rod said:
I will not be happy if they can CDC only to hire some OC/DC I've never heard of from a BCS program. UW will have to tread lightly.....find a guy who can turn things around in Laramie....not show up and be in the same position CDC was in 2009 just trying to figure out how Wyoming/Head coaching works at all. Those type of hires pan out maybe 20% of the time.

I try not to be the type prone to panic, but given the way tv dollars are driving conference realignment and the rumblings from the BCS conferences that they want to get out of the business of subsidizing the rest of us, I think if we wake up one day in 2018 and Wyoming has again gone 22-37 over the five previous seasons, it's more likely than not that Wyoming is no longer an FBS program as we currently recognize it.

I don't think that means we'd be FCS or should be, it's just a recognition that the ghetto-ization of college football is only going to continue. And .500 teams in small tv markets are going to be on the wrong side of whatever line gets drawn somewhere down the road.
 
TheCup said:
J-Rod said:
I will not be happy if they can CDC only to hire some OC/DC I've never heard of from a BCS program. UW will have to tread lightly.....find a guy who can turn things around in Laramie....not show up and be in the same position CDC was in 2009 just trying to figure out how Wyoming/Head coaching works at all. Those type of hires pan out maybe 20% of the time.

I try not to be the type prone to panic, but given the way tv dollars are driving conference realignment and the rumblings from the BCS conferences that they want to get out of the business of subsidizing the rest of us, I think if we wake up one day in 2018 and Wyoming has again gone 22-37 over the five previous seasons, it's more likely than not that Wyoming is no longer an FBS program as we currently recognize it.

I don't think that means we'd be FCS or should be, it's just a recognition that the ghetto-ization of college football is only going to continue. And .500 teams in small tv markets are going to be on the wrong side of whatever line gets drawn somewhere down the road.

It's not even panic anymore. It's more of a sickening, pragmatic apathy.

Why would any fan base, not beaten down by more than a decades worth of less than mediocre football, ever accept and/or condone "one more year" of a coach that's 0-17 vs. ranked opponents, 26-32 overall, a demonstrated grade-AA asshole and has something like five wins total over teams with winning records?

Watching Wyoming football hasn't been enjoyable to me for quite some time. I want to blame someone, anyone. But I have no idea where to channel my disappointment. Dimel? Moon? Koenning? Matsakis? Glenn's loyalty? Barta? Burman? Buchanan? Dubois? The anti-athletics Wyoming legislators? Sternberg? God?

I just settle on BYU and that gets me up in the morning.
 
TheCup said:
I try not to be the type prone to panic, but given the way tv dollars are driving conference realignment and the rumblings from the BCS conferences that they want to get out of the business of subsidizing the rest of us, I think if we wake up one day in 2018 and Wyoming has again gone 22-37 over the five previous seasons, it's more likely than not that Wyoming is no longer an FBS program as we currently recognize it.

I don't think that means we'd be FCS or should be, it's just a recognition that the ghetto-ization of college football is only going to continue. And .500 teams in small tv markets are going to be on the wrong side of whatever line gets drawn somewhere down the road.

Correct. We need our athletic department (and most importantly leader) to be a go-getter - a visionary - a guy that has a plan, and gets to work. Somebody that wants to be the best - and isn't satisfied with just being "who we are".
 
I agree that if DC goes (voluntarily or not) the knee jerk replacement of him with a Defensive oriented coach would be the wrong thing to do, just to have a better defense. A head coach has to be a leader and an executive. One the team respects and will follow. And one who develops a good staff and allows them to do their jobs. Micromanagers end up shortchanging some aspect of the operation. I just do not see Wyoming hiring an already successful coach. Recruiting a successful coach to Wyo is as hard or harder than recruiting top players. We need to find that elusive diamond in the rough and do our damnedest to keep him once he is successful. Think Bowden Wyatt or Bob Devaney (if they had stayed). I am tired of getting my hopes up only to see them dashed by embarrassing losses like we have witnessed this year. But, I am willing to give an up-and-comer some time to develop a program. Maybe we need to recruit Alaska, Delaware, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, and Vermont. None of these states even has an FBS school.

Trivia: What four states have only one FBS school and NO pro team?
 
hithere said:
TheCup said:
J-Rod said:
I will not be happy if they can CDC only to hire some OC/DC I've never heard of from a BCS program. UW will have to tread lightly.....find a guy who can turn things around in Laramie....not show up and be in the same position CDC was in 2009 just trying to figure out how Wyoming/Head coaching works at all. Those type of hires pan out maybe 20% of the time.

I try not to be the type prone to panic, but given the way tv dollars are driving conference realignment and the rumblings from the BCS conferences that they want to get out of the business of subsidizing the rest of us, I think if we wake up one day in 2018 and Wyoming has again gone 22-37 over the five previous seasons, it's more likely than not that Wyoming is no longer an FBS program as we currently recognize it.

I don't think that means we'd be FCS or should be, it's just a recognition that the ghetto-ization of college football is only going to continue. And .500 teams in small tv markets are going to be on the wrong side of whatever line gets drawn somewhere down the road.

It's not even panic anymore. It's more of a sickening, pragmatic apathy.

Why would any fan base, not beaten down by more than a decades worth of less than mediocre football, ever accept and/or condone "one more year" of a coach that's 0-17 vs. ranked opponents, 26-32 overall, a demonstrated grade-AA asshole and has something like five wins total over teams with winning records?

Watching Wyoming football hasn't been enjoyable to me for quite some time. I want to blame someone, anyone. But I have no idea where to channel my disappointment. Dimel? Moon? Koenning? Matsakis? Glenn's loyalty? Barta? Burman? Buchanan? Dubois? The anti-athletics Wyoming legislators? Sternberg? God?

I just settle on BYU and that gets me up in the morning.

What's their to be disappointed about with Dimel and Mitaskis? The '99 squad was the best Wyoming team in recent history.
 
Cornpoke said:
hithere said:
TheCup said:
J-Rod said:
I will not be happy if they can CDC only to hire some OC/DC I've never heard of from a BCS program. UW will have to tread lightly.....find a guy who can turn things around in Laramie....not show up and be in the same position CDC was in 2009 just trying to figure out how Wyoming/Head coaching works at all. Those type of hires pan out maybe 20% of the time.

What's their to be disappointed about with Dimel and Mitaskis? The '99 squad was the best Wyoming team in recent history.

Actually, the 2011 team had a better record than the 1999 team. But, kicking BYU's ass in 1999 was glorious!
 
J-Rod said:
Wyokie said:
ZapPoke said:
Trivia: What four states have only one FBS school and NO pro team?

I know of two right off the bat. Hawaii and Wyoming.
Idaho....oh, wait...I guess the Vandals still count.

Nebraska. I'm lost after that.

the fourth one is Connecticut. Funny, if you take out the part about no pro team it only adds Wisconsin, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Mizzou.
 
ZapPoke said:
J-Rod said:
Wyokie said:
ZapPoke said:
Trivia: What four states have only one FBS school and NO pro team?

I know of two right off the bat. Hawaii and Wyoming.
Idaho....oh, wait...I guess the Vandals still count.

Nebraska. I'm lost after that.

the fourth one is Connecticut. Funny, if you take out the part about no pro team it only adds Wisconsin, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Mizzou.

Technically, Connecticut is out. There is a WNBA team there.
 
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