Concern about firing DC... (long)

[BJC]

Trivia: What four states have only one FBS school and NO pro team?

I know of two right off the bat. Hawaii and Wyoming.

Idaho....oh, wait...I guess the Vandals still count.

Nebraska. I'm lost after that.

the fourth one is Connecticut. Funny, if you take out the part about no pro team it only adds Wisconsin, Minnesota, New Jersey, and Mizzou.

Technically, Connecticut is out. There is a WNBA team there.

:rofl:

 

[ZapPoke]

What's the WNBA? (just kidding, but seriously??)

update: I like the previous response better than mine

 

[Wyokie]

I know but the WNBA is a professional league. Not much of one though.

 

[ZapPoke]

okay, i'll grant you that. Let's change the criteria to a Pro football team.

 

[Triple-WY]

I think it was TrackPoke who posted something similar a couple days ago. Sorry if it was someone else. It was phenomenal and made me re-think how we look at this. His point was that we have now executed the following hiring strategies:

- The Promotion from Within (Koenning) Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time. Turned out it wasn't.
- The FCS National Champion (Glenn) Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time. It was for a while, but then wasn't.
- The BCS Coordinator (DC) Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time. Turned out it wasn't.

It's tough to argue with following any of the paths above. And it's equally tough to argue that any of them have worked. So what's left?

It seems to me that we are finally at the time to either Shit Or Get Off the Pot. The threat level, given the shifting sands of college football, is now existential. If we suck like this for another five years I think it's extremely likely that we find ourselves in some kind of college football purgatory. We are either going to try to be a high-level football program or not.

And if that's the case, I don't know that we have any choice other than to take a risk on a "name" coach in the mold of Franchione or Petrino. Or maybe we could get $2 million a year together to dangle at Pat Shurmur who has now spent a year coaching with Chip Kelly.

Cup- It may have been this rant you are referring to....buried within another topic. I am all about making positive change.....just not sure how to do it at this point because: 1) not sure who / what type of coach to turn to after the last three and 2), given the state of the program over the last decade (+) and three unsuccessful staffs, not sure what coach can be enticed to come to UW over other FBS programs. I'm just not certain it is as simple as a big paycheck....though I guess we have yet to try multiple big paychecks (HC, OC, DC, other assistants).
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A little off of the thread topic, but my bigger concern, and one I never harbored prior to DC, is where will Wyoming turn for a coach? Wyoming was once a respected football program and at least recognized as a good place to coach on the way to a bigger program. The worry used to be how to retain a successful a coach at UW. Now the worry is how to get a successful coach to come to UW. Once one of the most successful “mid major” programs (I feel only BYU was more successful), UW simply failed to make the transition to the modern football landscape (BCS / playoff era).

To review the bidding: UW hired a very competent defensive coordinator from within resulting in dismal failure. UW began a notable facilities upgrade and hired the best staff the FCS had to offer (with experience recruiting to the mountain states as a bonus) and it ended in failure. UW continued improving facilities and hired one of the best, if not the best, coordinator in the country, complete with a large paycheck, and it is ending in failure. I think UWs problems go well beyond the head coaching position. Given UW’s BCS era history (consistently one of the worst programs in the nation), why in the world would a successful FCS coach come to UW?

Unlike DC and Glenn, UW can’t promise any massive overhaul to facilities with the thought that recruiting will improve commensurate with those facilities. I doubt any MAC coach is hoping a UW vacancy opens up so they can take over a worse program in similar conference to risk ending their careers. Similarly, NDSU almost certainly fields a better team than UW and receives more publicity (when was the last time Game Day came to Laramie?) and would think those type of FBS coaches will look to a school that has demonstrated at least a modicum of sustainable success at the FCS level rather than taking what looks to be at best a gamble at UW.

 

[BJC]

I think it was TrackPoke who posted something similar a couple days ago. Sorry if it was someone else. It was phenomenal and made me re-think how we look at this. His point was that we have now executed the following hiring strategies:

- The Promotion from Within (Koenning) Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time. Turned out it wasn't.
- The FCS National Champion (Glenn) Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time. It was for a while, but then wasn't.
- The BCS Coordinator (DC) Everyone thought it was a great idea at the time. Turned out it wasn't.

It's tough to argue with following any of the paths above. And it's equally tough to argue that any of them have worked. So what's left?

It seems to me that we are finally at the time to either Shit Or Get Off the Pot. The threat level, given the shifting sands of college football, is now existential. If we suck like this for another five years I think it's extremely likely that we find ourselves in some kind of college football purgatory. We are either going to try to be a high-level football program or not.

And if that's the case, I don't know that we have any choice other than to take a risk on a "name" coach in the mold of Franchione or Petrino. Or maybe we could get $2 million a year together to dangle at Pat Shurmur who has now spent a year coaching with Chip Kelly.

Cup- It may have been this rant you are referring to....buried within another topic. I am all about making positive change.....just not sure how to do it at this point because: 1) not sure who / what type of coach to turn to after the last three and 2), given the state of the program over the last decade (+) and three unsuccessful staffs, not sure what coach can be enticed to come to UW over other FBS programs. I'm just not certain it is as simple as a big paycheck....though I guess we have yet to try multiple big paychecks (HC, OC, DC, other assistants).
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A little off of the thread topic, but my bigger concern, and one I never harbored prior to DC, is where will Wyoming turn for a coach? Wyoming was once a respected football program and at least recognized as a good place to coach on the way to a bigger program. The worry used to be how to retain a successful a coach at UW. Now the worry is how to get a successful coach to come to UW. Once one of the most successful “mid major” programs (I feel only BYU was more successful), UW simply failed to make the transition to the modern football landscape (BCS / playoff era).

To review the bidding: UW hired a very competent defensive coordinator from within resulting in dismal failure. UW began a notable facilities upgrade and hired the best staff the FCS had to offer (with experience recruiting to the mountain states as a bonus) and it ended in failure. UW continued improving facilities and hired one of the best, if not the best, coordinator in the country, complete with a large paycheck, and it is ending in failure. I think UWs problems go well beyond the head coaching position. Given UW’s BCS era history (consistently one of the worst programs in the nation), why in the world would a successful FCS coach come to UW?

Unlike DC and Glenn, UW can’t promise any massive overhaul to facilities with the thought that recruiting will improve commensurate with those facilities. I doubt any MAC coach is hoping a UW vacancy opens up so they can take over a worse program in similar conference to risk ending their careers. Similarly, NDSU almost certainly fields a better team than UW and receives more publicity (when was the last time Game Day came to Laramie?) and would think those type of FBS coaches will look to a school that has demonstrated at least a modicum of sustainable success at the FCS level rather than taking what looks to be at best a gamble at UW.

I hate to say it but you are correct............damn you are correct. WTF do we do? Throw more money into assistants?.....More$ into facilities? And a little off topic but...what is this I keep hearing about a toxic locker room? A normal offense vs defense thing or more to it? Sort of explains the appearance the last couple 2nd halves? :thefan:

 

[Adv8RU12]

I get the impression that the AD could do just as well as putting out an ad "Who wants the Wyoming coaching job?" Then when all the names come in, put them in a hat and draw one out.

 

[stymeman]

My concern: WHO do we get if it does happen, yet again as usual, the rebuild begins again, aaargh

 

[BeaverPoke]

I get the impression that the AD could do just as well as putting out an ad "Who wants the Wyoming coaching job?" Then when all the names come in, put them in a hat and draw one out.

Huh? How do you figure?

Or do you mean at the total opposite end of the spectrum?