Cheering for Wyoming to lose

[TheCup]

Yeah, Doc and wyokie were posting that people should cheer for Wyoming to lose. Doc (Dino), I've never cared for and not really surprised by his comment, but was with wyokie.

I don't think anyone needs to cheer for it in order for it to be more likely to happen. This team is checked out. And in the DC era, Wyoming has been outscored 195-53 against Boise St. and Utah St.

 

[Wyovanian]

Yeah, Doc and wyokie were posting that people should cheer for Wyoming to lose. Doc (Dino), I've never cared for and not really surprised by his comment, but was with wyokie.

I don't think anyone needs to cheer for it in order for it to be more likely to happen. This team is checked out. And in the DC era, Wyoming has been outscored 195-53 against Boise St. and Utah St.

Bingo. Christensen's lost the locker room. This is a fatal tail spin for any coach.

As far as cheering for losses- "Don't wait for it to happen. Don't even want it to happen. Just watch what does happen."
-Jimmy Malone (Sean Connery) The Untouchables

 

[Wyovanian]

No one's "cheering" for us to lose in order to accomplish their "self-serving" desire to be rid of Christensen. This is simply the expression of optimism about a greater future in the face of an ugly reality. Besides, even if people were willing to see us lose a few games to try to move the program forward, I'd say those are people displaying a willingness to sacrifice for a greater good than those who would advocate the comfort of status quo mediocrity.

The people who "want us to win with Christensen" are part of the same mentality as misguided religious zealots who feel modern medicine is an affront to their faith- people willing to allow their own children to suffer in order to keep their "faith". The plane has hit the mountainside. Faith isn't going to get it back in the air.

As for the program sustaining mediocrity, sorry, but the world of College Football is in a time of great flux. Programs that cannot compete will be culled from the herd as time goes on. Mediocre teams like Wyoming will find their FBS/ D1 status under severe threat, and if Wyoming football was forced to drop a level (whether its a new one sprung from the current FBS iteration, or an outright move to the FCS) it would be the end of the program's support from serious donors.

Personally, I believe Christensen will get the axe following the seventh loss of this season. If a seventh loss doesn't happen, we're likely to see him again next season barring a new AD deciding to conduct a full evaluation and review of his tenure thus far and deciding that all things being what they are, excellence just isn't in the man's DNA.

Personally, I'll be cheering for Wyoming in the next three games, cheering for them to win against Hawaii, Boise State, and Utah State. I will back to team as a whole. However, I will also look for a silver lining in any losses- that being the very limited future of Dave Christensen at the University of Wyoming.

Perhaps you missed this gem?


Wyokie wrote:

What Doc is saying is this....we need to lose and lose badly to force a lot of changes to happen. Otherwise, 2014 will be a repeat, only worse, of this year. Because if we go bowling...Stenberg can't fire Burman plus CDC will stay another year to where Brett Smith just might get worse. You want that to happen?!

We need changes at UW and we need it NOW!!!!! Otherwise....things WILL get much worse!!!!

 

[Triple-WY]

Personally, I'll be cheering for Wyoming in the next three games, cheering for them to win against Hawaii, Boise State, and Utah State. I will back to team as a whole. However, I will also look for a silver lining in any losses- that being the very limited future of Dave Christensen at the University of Wyoming.

A little off of the thread topic, but my bigger concern, and one I never harbored prior to DC, is where will Wyoming turn for a coach? Wyoming was once a respected football program and at least recognized as a good place to coach on the way to a bigger program. The worry used to be how to retain a successful a coach at UW. Now the worry is how to get a successful coach to come to UW. Once one of the most successful “mid major” programs (I feel only BYU was more successful), UW simply failed to make the transition to the modern football landscape (BCS / playoff era).

To review the bidding: UW hired a very competent defensive coordinator from within resulting in dismal failure. UW began a notable facilities upgrade and hired the best staff the FCS had to offer (with experience recruiting to the mountain states as a bonus) and it ended in failure. UW continued improving facilities and hired one of the best, if not the best, coordinator in the country, complete with a large paycheck, and it is ending in failure. I think UWs problems go well beyond the head coaching position. Given UW’s BCS era history (consistently one of the worst programs in the nation), why in the world would a successful FCS coach come to UW?

Unlike DC and Glenn, UW can’t promise any massive overhaul to facilities with the thought that recruiting will improve commensurate with those facilities. I doubt any MAC coach is hoping a UW vacancy opens up so they can take over a worse program in similar conference to risk ending their careers. Similarly, NDSU almost certainly fields a better team than UW and receives more publicity (when was the last time Game Day came to Laramie?) and would think those type of FBS coaches will look to a school that has demonstrated at least a modicum of sustainable success at the FCS level rather than taking what looks to be at best a gamble at UW.

UW AD- Probably one of the toughest collegiate sports jobs in the nation. He has a hell of a conundrum on his hands- The Gordian Knot of college football………

 

[HR_Poke]

No one's "cheering" for us to lose in order to accomplish their "self-serving" desire to be rid of Christensen. This is simply the expression of optimism about a greater future in the face of an ugly reality. Besides, even if people were willing to see us lose a few games to try to move the program forward, I'd say those are people displaying a willingness to sacrifice for a greater good than those who would advocate the comfort of status quo mediocrity.

The people who "want us to win with Christensen" are part of the same mentality as misguided religious zealots who feel modern medicine is an affront to their faith- people willing to allow their own children to suffer in order to keep their "faith". The plane has hit the mountainside. Faith isn't going to get it back in the air.

As for the program sustaining mediocrity, sorry, but the world of College Football is in a time of great flux. Programs that cannot compete will be culled from the herd as time goes on. Mediocre teams like Wyoming will find their FBS/ D1 status under severe threat, and if Wyoming football was forced to drop a level (whether its a new one sprung from the current FBS iteration, or an outright move to the FCS) it would be the end of the program's support from serious donors.

Personally, I believe Christensen will get the axe following the seventh loss of this season. If a seventh loss doesn't happen, we're likely to see him again next season barring a new AD deciding to conduct a full evaluation and review of his tenure thus far and deciding that all things being what they are, excellence just isn't in the man's DNA.

Personally, I'll be cheering for Wyoming in the next three games, cheering for them to win against Hawaii, Boise State, and Utah State. I will back to team as a whole. However, I will also look for a silver lining in any losses- that being the very limited future of Dave Christensen at the University of Wyoming.

Perhaps you missed this gem?


Wyokie wrote:

What Doc is saying is this....we need to lose and lose badly to force a lot of changes to happen. Otherwise, 2014 will be a repeat, only worse, of this year. Because if we go bowling...Stenberg can't fire Burman plus CDC will stay another year to where Brett Smith just might get worse. You want that to happen?!

We need changes at UW and we need it NOW!!!!! Otherwise....things WILL get much worse!!!!

advocating for huge losses so we can change coaches this year instead of next year is far from someone sacrificing for the greater good. And wanting us to win every game remaining is not pushing for mediocrity. Quite the opposite in fact. It's just that you have an agenda you want pursued and are willing to get there at all costs. Most agree with that agenda but cheering for the team to lose so it can happen in three games instead of fifteen is despicable. It's pure selfishness.

 

[BeaverPoke]

+1 Triple-WY.

Wyoming football sucks. The whole program does.
It is hard to recruit players here, that's why we rarely send players to the NFL or even have first or 2nd team all-MWC players.

Coaches don't want to come be assistants here because we don't pay for shit.
DC came here to be the next Urban Meyer. He wanted to build what seemed like a decent MWC school into a top level non-AQ school, wins some MWC titles, and go to the Pac12 or SEC.
He is realizing how shitty it is to be at Wyo for football.
Argue it all you want, but you know it's the truth. It's the shitty truth and it sucks.

I mean, if Brett Smith's best season (record-wise) was his Freshman year, that shows our program sucks.

 

[Wyovanian]

No one's "cheering" for us to lose in order to accomplish their "self-serving" desire to be rid of Christensen. This is simply the expression of optimism about a greater future in the face of an ugly reality. Besides, even if people were willing to see us lose a few games to try to move the program forward, I'd say those are people displaying a willingness to sacrifice for a greater good than those who would advocate the comfort of status quo mediocrity.

The people who "want us to win with Christensen" are part of the same mentality as misguided religious zealots who feel modern medicine is an affront to their faith- people willing to allow their own children to suffer in order to keep their "faith". The plane has hit the mountainside. Faith isn't going to get it back in the air.

As for the program sustaining mediocrity, sorry, but the world of College Football is in a time of great flux. Programs that cannot compete will be culled from the herd as time goes on. Mediocre teams like Wyoming will find their FBS/ D1 status under severe threat, and if Wyoming football was forced to drop a level (whether its a new one sprung from the current FBS iteration, or an outright move to the FCS) it would be the end of the program's support from serious donors.

Personally, I believe Christensen will get the axe following the seventh loss of this season. If a seventh loss doesn't happen, we're likely to see him again next season barring a new AD deciding to conduct a full evaluation and review of his tenure thus far and deciding that all things being what they are, excellence just isn't in the man's DNA.

Personally, I'll be cheering for Wyoming in the next three games, cheering for them to win against Hawaii, Boise State, and Utah State. I will back to team as a whole. However, I will also look for a silver lining in any losses- that being the very limited future of Dave Christensen at the University of Wyoming.

Perhaps you missed this gem?


Wyokie wrote:

What Doc is saying is this....we need to lose and lose badly to force a lot of changes to happen. Otherwise, 2014 will be a repeat, only worse, of this year. Because if we go bowling...Stenberg can't fire Burman plus CDC will stay another year to where Brett Smith just might get worse. You want that to happen?!

We need changes at UW and we need it NOW!!!!! Otherwise....things WILL get much worse!!!!

advocating for huge losses so we can change coaches this year instead of next year is far from someone sacrificing for the greater good. And wanting us to win every game remaining is not pushing for mediocrity. Quite the opposite in fact. It's just that you have an agenda you want pursued and are willing to get there at all costs. Most agree with that agenda but cheering for the team to lose so it can happen in three games instead of fifteen is despicable. It's pure selfishness.

Christensen's had far more than fifteen games. There's a strong argument to be made for his termination after the AFA game last season. It was more than apparent midway through last season that he lacks the core competencies and the executive acumen requisite to the position.

 

[Wyovanian]

+1 Triple-WY.

Wyoming football sucks. The whole program does.
It is hard to recruit players here, that's why we rarely send players to the NFL or even have first or 2nd team all-MWC players.

Coaches don't want to come be assistants here because we don't pay for shit.
DC came here to be the next Urban Meyer. He wanted to build what seemed like a decent MWC school into a top level non-AQ school, wins some MWC titles, and go to the Pac12 or SEC.
He is realizing how shitty it is to be at Wyo for football.
Argue it all you want, but you know it's the truth. It's the shitty truth and it sucks.

I mean, if Brett Smith's best season (record-wise) was his Freshman year, that shows our program sucks.

Well, maybe you should transfer.

 

[wyokoke]

+1 Triple-WY.

Wyoming football sucks. The whole program does.
It is hard to recruit players here, that's why we rarely send players to the NFL or even have first or 2nd team all-MWC players.

Coaches don't want to come be assistants here because we don't pay for shit.
DC came here to be the next Urban Meyer. He wanted to build what seemed like a decent MWC school into a top level non-AQ school, wins some MWC titles, and go to the Pac12 or SEC.
He is realizing how shitty it is to be at Wyo for football.
Argue it all you want, but you know it's the truth. It's the shitty truth and it sucks.

I mean, if Brett Smith's best season (record-wise) was his Freshman year, that shows our program sucks.

Well, maybe you should transfer.

Is he wrong though?

 

[cowboyz]

I can't cheer for Wyoming to lose, but I certainly understand the logic.

As it's past 5:00 on Monday, I'll assume they are not firing DC this week. So, my perfect scenario is they fire him after this week's lose to Boise, then we somehow win the next two and the moons line up and we land a bowl game. This way we get the extra practices, get some more exposure for recruiting and the new coach has some time to recruit some players, and gets to have a very experienced QB his first season to build some momentum for the future.

My not perfect scenario is that somehow this knucklehead keeps his job for next season, Brett leaves (thanks Beav for putting that thought into my head : ) We get our asses handed to us in all of our OOC games (yes, it could happen), lose most of our MWC games, and our new coach has a total pile of problems to build from. We really need to let the new coach have next season so he's not walking in without an experienced QB. And we need to do this soon so he can start recruiting. Who do we have so far for next season? I only see three guys on Rivals.

 

[BeaverPoke]

+1 Triple-WY.

Wyoming football sucks. The whole program does.
It is hard to recruit players here, that's why we rarely send players to the NFL or even have first or 2nd team all-MWC players.

Coaches don't want to come be assistants here because we don't pay for shit.
DC came here to be the next Urban Meyer. He wanted to build what seemed like a decent MWC school into a top level non-AQ school, wins some MWC titles, and go to the Pac12 or SEC.
He is realizing how shitty it is to be at Wyo for football.
Argue it all you want, but you know it's the truth. It's the shitty truth and it sucks.

I mean, if Brett Smith's best season (record-wise) was his Freshman year, that shows our program sucks.

Well, maybe you should transfer.

Way ahead of you there Wyonavian. Heading to Oregon State.
But not because our football program sucks.

 

[Wyovanian]

+1 Triple-WY.

Wyoming football sucks. The whole program does.
It is hard to recruit players here, that's why we rarely send players to the NFL or even have first or 2nd team all-MWC players.

Coaches don't want to come be assistants here because we don't pay for shit.
DC came here to be the next Urban Meyer. He wanted to build what seemed like a decent MWC school into a top level non-AQ school, wins some MWC titles, and go to the Pac12 or SEC.
He is realizing how shitty it is to be at Wyo for football.
Argue it all you want, but you know it's the truth. It's the shitty truth and it sucks.

I mean, if Brett Smith's best season (record-wise) was his Freshman year, that shows our program sucks.

Well, maybe you should transfer.

Is he wrong though?

He's giving up on Wyoming. No big surprise.

 

[Pokes Forever]

How much longer is the Pity Party going to go on.......nobody wants Wyoming to lose.....how hard is that to understand?

 

[Wyovanian]

I can't cheer for Wyoming to lose, but I certainly understand the logic.

As it's past 5:00 on Monday, I'll assume they are not firing DC this week. So, my perfect scenario is they fire him after this week's lose to Boise, then we somehow win the next two and the moons line up and we land a bowl game. This way we get the extra practices, get some more exposure for recruiting and the new coach has some time to recruit some players, and gets to have a very experienced QB his first season to build some momentum for the future.

My not perfect scenario is that somehow this knucklehead keeps his job for next season, Brett leaves (thanks Beav for putting that thought into my head : ) We get our asses handed to us in all of our OOC games (yes, it could happen), lose most of our MWC games, and our new coach has a total pile of problems to build from. We really need to let the new coach have next season so he's not walking in without an experienced QB. And we need to do this soon so he can start recruiting. Who do we have so far for next season? I only see three guys on Rivals.

As long as there's a numerical possibility of a winning season, barring some sort of personal meltdown, they won't fire Christensen until a losing season is guaranteed.

 

[wyokoke]

+1 Triple-WY.

Wyoming football sucks. The whole program does.
It is hard to recruit players here, that's why we rarely send players to the NFL or even have first or 2nd team all-MWC players.

Coaches don't want to come be assistants here because we don't pay for shit.
DC came here to be the next Urban Meyer. He wanted to build what seemed like a decent MWC school into a top level non-AQ school, wins some MWC titles, and go to the Pac12 or SEC.
He is realizing how shitty it is to be at Wyo for football.
Argue it all you want, but you know it's the truth. It's the shitty truth and it sucks.

I mean, if Brett Smith's best season (record-wise) was his Freshman year, that shows our program sucks.

Well, maybe you should transfer.

Is he wrong though?

He's giving up on Wyoming. No big surprise.

Yeah thats not what I got there at all...more like acknowledging that we have a shitty program. Which we do, the past 17 years there's been 3 bowls, and 2 of those 3 are basically meaningless.

 

[Wyovanian]

+1 Triple-WY.

Wyoming football sucks. The whole program does.
It is hard to recruit players here, that's why we rarely send players to the NFL or even have first or 2nd team all-MWC players.

Coaches don't want to come be assistants here because we don't pay for shit.
DC came here to be the next Urban Meyer. He wanted to build what seemed like a decent MWC school into a top level non-AQ school, wins some MWC titles, and go to the Pac12 or SEC.
He is realizing how shitty it is to be at Wyo for football.
Argue it all you want, but you know it's the truth. It's the shitty truth and it sucks.

I mean, if Brett Smith's best season (record-wise) was his Freshman year, that shows our program sucks.

Well, maybe you should transfer.

Is he wrong though?

He's giving up on Wyoming. No big surprise.

Yeah thats not what I got there at all...more like acknowledging that we have a shitty program. Which we do, the past 17 years there's been 3 bowls, and 2 of those 3 are basically meaningless.

He's still defending Christensen. Read his post- it's Wyoming's fault, not Christensen's, despite having facilities and a paycheck no coach before him ever has. He's defending a guy who is apparently incapable of learning from moment to moment.

Don't get me wrong- Wyoming's problems would appear to go deeper. I've stated countless times that there's a culture of "good 'nuff" that surrounds this program. However, defending an obviously incomplete coach with some serious questions about character and behavior is prima facie evidence of a culture that can't seem to recognize the difference between excellence and incompetence and is unable to leverage accountability to a success vector.

 

[MrTitleist]

It really doesn't matter if Wyoming wins out or loses out, or even splits the remaining schedule, at this point you'd have to think that the decision has already been made whether to keep or fire the coaching staff. Might as well cheer for wins.

 

[Wyokie]

It really doesn't matter if Wyoming wins out or loses out, or even splits the remaining schedule, at this point you'd have to think that the decision has already been made whether to keep or fire the coaching staff. Might as well cheer for wins.

+1 But here's my problem with this....If HEAVEN FORBID we win out, it'll give the "good ole boy" system the ammo to force Stenberg to keep El Jackass (Burman) which in turn will keep CDC as our head coach! We have to go no better than 1-2 with the win being against Hawaii to save the program. I'm thinking long-term here, guys. NOT short term as apparently a lot of people are doing.

 

[Wyovanian]

It really doesn't matter if Wyoming wins out or loses out, or even splits the remaining schedule, at this point you'd have to think that the decision has already been made whether to keep or fire the coaching staff. Might as well cheer for wins.

Have to agree with you there.

 

[MrTitleist]

It really doesn't matter if Wyoming wins out or loses out, or even splits the remaining schedule, at this point you'd have to think that the decision has already been made whether to keep or fire the coaching staff. Might as well cheer for wins.

+1 But here's my problem with this....If HEAVEN FORBID we win out, it'll give the "good ole boy" system the ammo to force Stenberg to keep El Jackass (Burman) which in turn will keep CDC as our head coach! We have to go no better than 1-2 with the win being against Hawaii to save the program. I'm thinking long-term here, guys. NOT short term as apparently a lot of people are doing.

Again, it really doesn't matter. Unless you're Pat Haden, you put some thought into firing a coach, and usually more than a quick meeting at the end of the season. Firing a coach isn't like firing a bad employee at work.. ultimately your reputation and career are at stake on the decision you make on hiring/firing head coaches of your flagship programs. The decision has already been made, we just don't know which direction that arrow is pointing yet.