Byu fans, here is the deal without being a d!ck

[carbonpoke]

I was raised by my brothers and father to know of our football rivals. Csu and byu. I learned about black fourteen before my tenth birthday. I learned about equality early. This was the 80s

There was a great rivalry building between the Steve young years through the 96 wac championship. It was an equal hatred. Die hard violent football, but with respect. Then 98 happened... The airport meeting. We started something new with our regional ties. Even though we went through our dark age of football and basketball, the mwc grew in strength.

Then Utah and tcu left, and u guys got pissed. And u wanted to get rid of us, after all the history, there are so many memories of the war memorial stadium with byu. It was a predatory decision on your part.

In the 60's you unintentionally destroyed our program. In 2010, you intended to try again. There is a ton of history that you need to go.read for yourself, before you come here and say ignorant "Wyoming is so hateful bullsh!t.". Yes we have some bad feelings, but u talking down to us is what u have always done. We don't appreciate it.

The decision to play you guys with a home and home makes us get vocal. It probably in the long run is good for "football". Don't think we hate Mormons, cause we don't. We hate the way your University has treated us, from a publicity standpoint. Nobody from byu talkes about our history, it's just how "Wyoming" is a bunch of hateful rednecks.

Try coming in here on your first post with a peace offering, talk about your histroy with Wyoming... From your standpoint. But don't look down you nose at us. We have had to survive that crap of 55 years

 

[carbonpoke]

Here is another thing that chaps my ass. During the sixties, minorities couldn't serve as clergy men. It was wrong, but too enhance the level of b.s., byu decides to get special privilege for allowing players a mission. As far as i know, most missions are to underveloped third world minorty countries. So u ask for a privilege, so that your players can go on mission and not lose eligibility, and then bring into the fold a minority population. Something seems wrong here.

Plus redshirts are still intact. Over the years things got more forgiving, but never a statement from the University.

Men reach physical peak at 28.

Yet Wyoming is the diluded irrational school. I also know that the population base at byu has drastically changed over the past 25 years .. but please educate yourself as to why we have a different view. Byu has always been about itself. Nothing more to iron out.

Maybe change the mission thing, like no reshirt. Or football players play the first four years, then go on mission. That would shore up the weird confusion

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I was raised by my brothers and father to know of our football rivals. Csu and byu. I learned about black fourteen before my tenth birthday. I learned about equality early. This was the 80s

There was a great rivalry building between the Steve young years through the 96 wac championship. It was an equal hatred. Die hard violent football, but with respect. Then 98 happened... The airport meeting. We started something new with our regional ties. Even though we went through our dark age of football and basketball, the mwc grew in strength.

Then Utah and tcu left, and u guys got pissed. And u wanted to get rid of us, after all the history, there are so many memories of the war memorial stadium with byu. It was a predatory decision on your part.

In the 60's you unintentionally destroyed our program. In 2010, you intended to try again. There is a ton of history that you need to go.read for yourself, before you come here and say ignorant "Wyoming is so hateful bullsh!t.". Yes we have some bad feelings, but u talking down to us is what u have always done. We don't appreciate it.

The decision to play you guys with a home and home makes us get vocal. It probably in the long run is good for "football". Don't think we hate Mormons, cause we don't. We hate the way your University has treated us, from a publicity standpoint. Nobody from byu talkes about our history, it's just how "Wyoming" is a bunch of hateful rednecks.

Try coming in here on your first post with a peace offering, talk about your histroy with Wyoming... From your standpoint. But don't look down you nose at us. We have had to survive that crap of 55 years

Not saying you're wrong, do you have any examples or articles that supports this? What little I can find of the "The Project" mentions nothing of UW, nothing of the ramifications for the MWC, or anything that may indicate a predatory or spiteful thought process by BYU towards us.

The argument could be made that Utah State should be the one to feel betrayed as their program actually DID suffer because of the actions of BYU (good, screw USU).

I can't see anything that went down or may have went down that would have affected UW or The MWC anymore than it actually did. We have a the benefit of hindsight but BYU was trying to piecemeal a BCS caliber conference for their basketball program with the likes of UTEP, Nevada, Fresno State, etc. while the MWC still had TCU and just landed BSU. Obviously BSU wasnt the darling they are now but I just don't see how the argument could be made that if BYU had succeeded Wyoming would be in a lower hell than New Mexico State. I just don't see it.

 

[BYU Fan 7]

Here is another thing that chaps my ass. During the sixties, minorities couldn't serve as clergy men. It was wrong, but too enhance the level of b.s., byu decides to get special privilege for allowing players a mission. As far as i know, most missions are to underveloped third world minorty countries. So u ask for a privilege, so that your players can go on mission and not lose eligibility, and then bring into the fold a minority population. Something seems wrong here.

Plus redshirts are still intact. Over the years things got more forgiving, but never a statement from the University.

Men reach physical peak at 28.

Yet Wyoming is the diluded irrational school. I also know that the population base at byu has drastically changed over the past 25 years .. but please educate yourself as to why we have a different view. Byu has always been about itself. Nothing more to iron out.

Maybe change the mission thing, like no reshirt. Or football players play the first four years, then go on mission. That would shore up the weird confusion

Ok hold up, I have to address this. When people imply that BYU athletes serving a Mormon mission gives some sort of advantage makes me laugh hysterically.

Do you guys think they're serving missions to Gold's Gym and that they're just working out and doing fitness for 2 years? It's literally the polar opposite. They don't play any football for 2 years. They don't do any film study. They stop lifting weights. Depending on where they go, people may feed them a lot and it's common for missionaries to come home having gained a lot of weight (fat, not muscle).

So you think taking a break completely from football, working out, etc, for 2 years would be an advantage?? That's laughable. If you look at it objectively, you'd see that too.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

They stop lifting weights.

Uh, what? I'm sure that might be the case for missions to some countries, but having played soccer on the regular with missionaries here in Colorado, they certainly didn't just "stop" being physically active, nor did they stop playing their sport. Sure, they weren't practicing with their college team, but they still played several days a week.

 

[laxwyo]

Being 20 is an advantage to being 18

 

[BYU Fan 7]

They stop lifting weights.

Uh, what? I'm sure that might be the case for missions to some countries, but having played soccer on the regular with missionaries here in Colorado, they certainly didn't just "stop" being physically active, nor did they stop playing their sport. Sure, they weren't practicing with their college team, but they still played several days a week.

Lol, you think these guys are playing organized football while on their missions? Give me a break. Playing soccer isn't going to make you a better football player.

I also love the fact that you reference "they stop lifting weights" then talk about playing soccer, without ever refuting the fact that missionaries stop lifting weights.

In a BEST cased scenario, missionaries have enough physical activity in their lives to keep their conditioning at an okay level. But they still arent in football shape. They arent at the correct weight or body composition, which takes a lot of time to fix. They haven't played football for 2 years, so they're rusty to say the least. They're definitely out of practice (by definition. they havent practice).

Going on a 2 year mission isnt helping any of our guys. If it was helping, other teams and other players would do something similar.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

You made it sound as if missionaries stop being physically active and completely go out of shape when they go on a mission, that they don't lift weights anymore. Though it may be anecdotal, the missionaries I've known (great and super friendly people, by the way), that's not quite true. Sure, I'm not saying they play organized football wherever they go, but those two years are HUGE for physical development compared to somebody coming out of high school. If you have an athletic scholarship waiting for you, you're likely trying to actually not get out of shape.

Speaking from own experience, I did not play soccer while in the military, but walked on to my college soccer team. I did not play soccer at all while in the military, but I sure ran and worked out. I was FAR better of a player after the military, and it wasn't just because I worked out, but mainly because I had matured (physically, at least - heh) and grown into my body more.

And Wyoming has a player like that in Theo Dawson.

 

[LanderPoke]

They stop lifting weights.

Uh, what? I'm sure that might be the case for missions to some countries, but having played soccer on the regular with missionaries here in Colorado, they certainly didn't just "stop" being physically active, nor did they stop playing their sport. Sure, they weren't practicing with their college team, but they still played several days a week.

Lol, you think these guys are playing organized football while on their missions? Give me a break. Playing soccer isn't going to make you a better football player.

I also love the fact that you reference "they stop lifting weights" then talk about playing soccer, without ever refuting the fact that missionaries stop lifting weights.

In a BEST cased scenario, missionaries have enough physical activity in their lives to keep their conditioning at an okay level. But they still arent in football shape. They arent at the correct weight or body composition, which takes a lot of time to fix. They haven't played football for 2 years, so they're rusty to say the least. They're definitely out of practice (by definition. they havent practice).

Going on a 2 year mission isnt helping any of our guys. If it was helping, other teams and other players would do something similar.

They get in football shape and practice after they get back and are two years older. You are so incredibly dumb