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Bohl is in over his head
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Going to re-state that- if Bohl loses more than five next year AND badly to CSEwe, he probably still gets a 4th season, but no contract extension unless he has 6 wins that season. Needs to win at least 5 next season AND beat the Sheep to see that extension next season.HR_Poke said:
HiCountryCowboy
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HR_Poke said:
TRUTH! That team that trucked us is not great. Calling what I see, Bohl will never win a boot. Hope he proves me wrong, but he isn't even close right now. He doesn't even look like he really cares either.
BringBackStutzriem
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Adv8RU12 said:
But where does that leave us at that point? Out of a lot of money, and even farther behind the pack than we were after DC (and we were WAY behind it when Christensen's tenure ended). We're talking in the same realm as New Mexico State and Idaho at that point (we're already close).
The fact of the matter is you absolutely cannot root for Bohl to fail because with his failure comes the prolonged failure of Wyoming football. The other side of that coin, sadly, is that there doesn't seem to be much room for hope either way. The window might be closed.
Yabadabadoo
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It's all in the trenches on both sides of the ball -- as has been the case since the opening kickoff this season. I watched the 1st quarter from the CSU sideline and the disparity in athlete in a direct comparison was obvious. We cannot establish the line, we continue to get pushed around and beaten because we are at a disadvantage in size & weight. Add to that we play with a 3rd string qb who cannot throw, who is under duress most every play, our best wr is on the shelf, and I have no iddea what kind of offensive imagination Vigen has - I don't see any. Their best play is #8 left, right, and up the middle, and today with the line being shoved aside there was no place for Hill to go. No quick wr-screens, no swing passes out of the backfield...they cannot even find a damn seam in the defense to complete a simple 5 yard dart.
Defensively it's more of the same, the T-2 is awful, its even worse when you have undersized players trying to implement it. Our linebackers are always playing 5 yards in back of our line, we never blitz, we never go outside of our base D...its depressing.
But what got to me mostly was listening to Bohl on my ride home after the game. He stated that Coffman was cleared to play today, but because he didn't get enough reps during the week he stayed with Smith. I mean, does Coffman really need a lot of reps during the week to significantly upgrade the qb position by playing today and just showing up out on the field? That one puzzled me. Right before the game as I was passing behind the Wyoming sideline I asked Cam (who seemed to be in great spirits) if he was playing today. His response? "We'll see." He was smiling as he said this and I guess I took it to mean that if he didn't start we'd at least see him in the game at some point.
It's been a really tough sled to push this season...as he signs off by stating the oh so obvious.
Defensively it's more of the same, the T-2 is awful, its even worse when you have undersized players trying to implement it. Our linebackers are always playing 5 yards in back of our line, we never blitz, we never go outside of our base D...its depressing.
But what got to me mostly was listening to Bohl on my ride home after the game. He stated that Coffman was cleared to play today, but because he didn't get enough reps during the week he stayed with Smith. I mean, does Coffman really need a lot of reps during the week to significantly upgrade the qb position by playing today and just showing up out on the field? That one puzzled me. Right before the game as I was passing behind the Wyoming sideline I asked Cam (who seemed to be in great spirits) if he was playing today. His response? "We'll see." He was smiling as he said this and I guess I took it to mean that if he didn't start we'd at least see him in the game at some point.
It's been a really tough sled to push this season...as he signs off by stating the oh so obvious.
I don't think Bohl thought that Cam could throw a long ball, just because he was cleared doesn't mean he was game ready to toss the ball 55 yards on a dime.
Yabadabadoo
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MrTitleist said:
He was cleared to play...even if he couldn't throw 'the long ball', could he complete a 25 yard out pattern with more accuracy than Smith at this point?
And oh yeah, Smith can throw the long ball?
bladerunnr
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Yabadabadoo said:
Forget it Yabba. Bohl could punt on 1st down and all the posters who think he walks on water would justify any decision he makes. This is starting to get a familiar ring to it. It's just like all the Schroyer apologists. Oh, McClain left the program in a horrible state. Ewing and Jones weren't that good. We lose in the play in game to a csewe team that lost EVERY conference game. Of course, we stay horrible and then Afam gets hurt. More excuses.
Never mind all the hypocrites on this board who predict a win or close contest every week. Then, when we get the shit kicked out of us, the "what did you expect" excuse comes out. Were getting better and we outgained them in the second half and all the other idiotic explanations.
Does this team have any talent? Hell, I don't know. But neither does anyone else. Assuming these players are going to get better by leaps and bounds just by getting older is a big assumption. Bohl isn't much of a game day coach. No MWC coach has to work overtime to figure out what we are going to do. The vanilla game plan never varies.
Yabadabadoo
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bladerunnr said:
Full disclosure, Blade, I am a Bohl believer, I believe he's the right guy to get this ship finally turned around, and the guy who can provide us with a sustained period of big-time success.
However that doesn't mean I don't look at things with a critical eye at times, and not playing a quarterback who was cleared to play and is a better quarterback at 50% than Nick Smith is at 100%, this decision baffles me.
I was at the game today and this now makes 2 games in a row where we have not seen any continued progress since the game at Boise State (in a loss), where they did show some continued improvement in some areas, this after the lone win of the season against Nevada.
Today's game won't show one single element of something you could point to and say that they did anything well.
I also agree with some here who have made mention of the fact that the team just didn't seem to come out with any passion today, no fire, no aggression at all.
The offensive game plan is as simple as one could design -- and the defensive game plan is absolutely baffling, in that they continue to do the same thing week in and week out with no deviation from one game to the next.
I will concede that although I thought this team would struggle this season and win maybe 2-3 games, I also thought that the last quarter of the season would see them beginning to play some of their best football (not necessarily resulting in wins) and provide tangible signs of progress that would translate into momentum into the off season that would be picked up on and carried forward to spring ball in 2016.
It's clear this current incarnation of Wyoming football has very-very little talent aside from 3-4 players, that their physicality is well short of where it needs to be in order to contend with the upper echelon on MWC teams...but again I go back to wanting to see 'progress' in some areas on a weekly basis.
Today's game has left me as dispirited as any single game this season.
Sure we lead with our hearts many times when we answer the roll-call on this board and we claim a Wyoming win -- but my head told me that CSU was the better team and should probably win today's game if all things were equal (and they weren't with our injury list).
I did however expect the Cowboys to show me more today in a loss than they did in a loss that was pretty dreadful all the way around.
ragtimejoe1
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Bohl chose this type of rebuild; I don't care what the fanboys say. It was a choice and not an unavoidable situation. This group of coaches bought into the headlines and GREATLY overestimated their coaching abilities. I think they truly believed that they could coach these Freshmen up and be somewhat competitive enough with the worst schedule in CFB. I think some of the attrition was avoidable and ignoring JC was a mistake. No way to prove or disprove those so just my belief.
My hope is that these coordinators are not really this bad but the entire staff blew off the season after it was obvious what was about to happen. Keep things vanilla to focus on fundamentals. I don't know... it is a head scratcher.
It still might the right approach but it damn sure isn't a sure thing. My worry is how much improvement must be made. As I said, we are a low level FCS team and that is fact. I worry that weight and experience are not enough to overcome this huge talent discrepancy in one of the worst FBS conferences.
I'm still on board and in support of Bohl, but I'm damn sure worried. 4 years max to see where this goes, however.
My hope is that these coordinators are not really this bad but the entire staff blew off the season after it was obvious what was about to happen. Keep things vanilla to focus on fundamentals. I don't know... it is a head scratcher.
It still might the right approach but it damn sure isn't a sure thing. My worry is how much improvement must be made. As I said, we are a low level FCS team and that is fact. I worry that weight and experience are not enough to overcome this huge talent discrepancy in one of the worst FBS conferences.
I'm still on board and in support of Bohl, but I'm damn sure worried. 4 years max to see where this goes, however.
ragtimejoe1
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On a separate note, if Coffman could go then it was stupid not to play him. It wasn't like they installed a sophisticated offensive scheme for CSU. I suspect it is "if you don't practice you don't play no matter who you are" and is part of the cowboy tough package. Just a guess.
LanderPoke
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Like Dino said it really comes down to size and experience. If you looked at the two teams out there what did you see? One was freaking huge and one was tiny!And ours wasn't the huge one. Look at our 265 lb offensive lineman going against there massive DLs. It's no wonder we get pushed around and our offense gets gummed up. The offense is predicated on establishing the inside run. Getting 5+ yards at will. The offense can't be good unless the defense respects the run. It's just not good this season.
But I am hopeful for the future. I'm hopeful because the qbs will have another year under their belts. We'll still have Hill for one more year. And our young and undersized Oline will have a year to grow and hopefully put on weight and not this "lean muscle" bull shit we were fed this fall. We'll have Roullier, Cummings, our center (who needs to get bigger) Wallace and Jackson back. Lots of potential there. The DBs are young and will only get better. If the season has taught me something it's don't underestimate experience.
The thing I'm most excited about are the commits we have so far. The oline kids are Huge. The LBs are huge. It looks like we are finally getting some real talent in here.
We knew this was going to happen after the first game.
Go Pokes.
But I am hopeful for the future. I'm hopeful because the qbs will have another year under their belts. We'll still have Hill for one more year. And our young and undersized Oline will have a year to grow and hopefully put on weight and not this "lean muscle" bull shit we were fed this fall. We'll have Roullier, Cummings, our center (who needs to get bigger) Wallace and Jackson back. Lots of potential there. The DBs are young and will only get better. If the season has taught me something it's don't underestimate experience.
The thing I'm most excited about are the commits we have so far. The oline kids are Huge. The LBs are huge. It looks like we are finally getting some real talent in here.
We knew this was going to happen after the first game.
Go Pokes.
Yeah.. probably oughta fire Bohl. That way when we go to look for a new head coach and they see that we fired a guy 2 years into a rebuild they'd be all like, "Man, this is the place for me!"
Fans have zero concept of what it takes to build a football team, especially a team that was as thin on depth and poor as we were when Christiansen was fired. He didn't recruit hardly any OL or barely anyone on defense.. but by god we were loaded at WR. We're not Florida State, our "play immediately" guys aren't guys who would play immediately at other schools. Granderson is example A of that.. he's a 200lb defensive end playing division 1 football and you guys are saying he should be ready? Come on, man.
I get it, we're playing very poorly against competition who is also very poor.. but firing a guy who is two years in is the most foolish thing on the planet.
Fans have zero concept of what it takes to build a football team, especially a team that was as thin on depth and poor as we were when Christiansen was fired. He didn't recruit hardly any OL or barely anyone on defense.. but by god we were loaded at WR. We're not Florida State, our "play immediately" guys aren't guys who would play immediately at other schools. Granderson is example A of that.. he's a 200lb defensive end playing division 1 football and you guys are saying he should be ready? Come on, man.
I get it, we're playing very poorly against competition who is also very poor.. but firing a guy who is two years in is the most foolish thing on the planet.
