Bohl is in over his head

[Slow Hand]

Yeah.. probably oughta fire Bohl. That way when we go to look for a new head coach and they see that we fired a guy 2 years into a rebuild they'd be all like, "Man, this is the place for me!"

Fans have zero concept of what it takes to build a football team, especially a team that was as thin on depth and poor as we were when Christiansen was fired. He didn't recruit hardly any OL or barely anyone on defense.. but by god we were loaded at WR. We're not Florida State, our "play immediately" guys aren't guys who would play immediately at other schools. Granderson is example A of that.. he's a 200lb defensive end playing division 1 football and you guys are saying he should be ready? Come on, man.

I get it, we're playing very poorly against competition who is also very poor.. but firing a guy who is two years in is the most foolish thing on the planet.

I see your point and to a certain extent you are helping to make my point. We cannot count on freshman to play. Therefore Bohl should have supplanted the ranks with athletes who could play immediately! That would mean he would have had to put a little effort into recruiting JC players. Hopefully a little better quality than Aarron Young! But he didn't and because he didn't we cannot compete with anyone! My issue has always been there is no reason to drop to the worst team in the nation, or damn near there, in order to build a winning program! Come on man have a little dignity and make the most out of what you were dealt! He is way over his head, he had no idea what D1 coaching and recruiting was going to be like. Losing is easy and becomes a habit after a while! Our Fan base is beginning to follow suit. "oh well we gave it our best shot" BULLSHIT! Win, with what you have and get better with your own recruits!

 

[Wyo2dal]

Yeah.. probably oughta fire Bohl. That way when we go to look for a new head coach and they see that we fired a guy 2 years into a rebuild they'd be all like, "Man, this is the place for me!"

Fans have zero concept of what it takes to build a football team, especially a team that was as thin on depth and poor as we were when Christiansen was fired. He didn't recruit hardly any OL or barely anyone on defense.. but by god we were loaded at WR. We're not Florida State, our "play immediately" guys aren't guys who would play immediately at other schools. Granderson is example A of that.. he's a 200lb defensive end playing division 1 football and you guys are saying he should be ready? Come on, man.

I get it, we're playing very poorly against competition who is also very poor.. but firing a guy who is two years in is the most foolish thing on the planet.

I see your point and to a certain extent you are helping to make my point. We cannot count on freshman to play. Therefore Bohl should have supplanted the ranks with athletes who could play immediately! That would mean he would have had to put a little effort into recruiting JC players. Hopefully a little better quality than Aarron Young! But he didn't and because he didn't we cannot compete with anyone! My issue has always been there is no reason to drop to the worst team in the nation, or damn near there, in order to build a winning program! Come on man have a little dignity and make the most out of what you were dealt! He is way over his head, he had no idea what D1 coaching and recruiting was going to be like. Losing is easy and becomes a habit after a while! Our Fan base is beginning to follow suit. "oh well we gave it our best shot" BULLSHIT! Win, with what you have and get better with your own recruits!

Disagree 100%, JC kids are the band-aid fix and Bohl wants to build the team properly and I applaud that.

 

[MrTitleist]

You really have no idea what you're going to get when you start dipping into the JC ranks. See: Dax Crum. Can't build a team off transfers, if you bring in too many it discourages freshman recruits from signing, plus you set yourself back from really being able to build a team, rather just constantly applying band-aids hoping to stop a lava-flow. A JC transfer or two on the OL this year, sure. Do it. Maybe as depth on the DL too or one or two in the secondary. But that's not Bohl's philosophy.

And the other thing.. you gotta find a JC guy that wants to come to your school.

Also, I'd say Bohl probably knows a little about D1 recruiting.. his NDSU teams often played up and punched teams in the mouth.

 

[ELKMT]

I actually agree that we can't fire Bohl unless he has a good five years ( maybe even six). However, people are crazy if they think these last two years are building a base for a good team. Hill, Wingaard, and a good 200lb pass rushing DE will not be world beaters without major help. I would bet my liver ( although it is in rough shape after this year) that Bohl cannot win here with the coaching and strategies he brought in. He is no better than bobby Hauk or Glenn. Proof is in the product.

If next year goes to shit, we could bring in Brock Spack. UW is his dream job, and I believe in tillers recommendation.

 

[Slow Hand]

Yeah.. probably oughta fire Bohl. That way when we go to look for a new head coach and they see that we fired a guy 2 years into a rebuild they'd be all like, "Man, this is the place for me!"

Fans have zero concept of what it takes to build a football team, especially a team that was as thin on depth and poor as we were when Christiansen was fired. He didn't recruit hardly any OL or barely anyone on defense.. but by god we were loaded at WR. We're not Florida State, our "play immediately" guys aren't guys who would play immediately at other schools. Granderson is example A of that.. he's a 200lb defensive end playing division 1 football and you guys are saying he should be ready? Come on, man.

I get it, we're playing very poorly against competition who is also very poor.. but firing a guy who is two years in is the most foolish thing on the planet.

I see your point and to a certain extent you are helping to make my point. We cannot count on freshman to play. Therefore Bohl should have supplanted the ranks with athletes who could play immediately! That would mean he would have had to put a little effort into recruiting JC players. Hopefully a little better quality than Aarron Young! But he didn't and because he didn't we cannot compete with anyone! My issue has always been there is no reason to drop to the worst team in the nation, or damn near there, in order to build a winning program! Come on man have a little dignity and make the most out of what you were dealt! He is way over his head, he had no idea what D1 coaching and recruiting was going to be like. Losing is easy and becomes a habit after a while! Our Fan base is beginning to follow suit. "oh well we gave it our best shot" BULLSHIT! Win, with what you have and get better with your own recruits!

Disagree 100%, JC kids are the band-aid fix and Bohl wants to build the team properly and I applaud that.

Listen Nick,
I am not suggesting that he goes no holds barred on the JC thing. But he should have used it to get him through the first few years so that he could maintain a repeatable level of competitiveness. I would much rather he had a few JC kids for a few years than battling to become the worst team in the nation...wouldn't you?

 

[Slow Hand]

You really have no idea what you're going to get when you start dipping into the JC ranks. See: Dax Crum. Can't build a team off transfers, if you bring in too many it discourages freshman recruits from signing, plus you set yourself back from really being able to build a team, rather just constantly applying band-aids hoping to stop a lava-flow. A JC transfer or two on the OL this year, sure. Do it. Maybe as depth on the DL too or one or two in the secondary. But that's not Bohl's philosophy.

And the other thing.. you gotta find a JC guy that wants to come to your school.

Also, I'd say Bohl probably knows a little about D1 recruiting.. his NDSU teams often played up and punched teams in the mouth.

Bohl has no idea how to recruit at this level. Beating a team or two each year does not constitute a dyed in the wool recruiter at this level. He was great at the D2 level cause he recruited local kids (Three states all of which were in relatively close proximity to NDSU) who D1 programs didn't want. He can't win at Laramie doing that! He needs to be able to beat like CSU, Boise, Utah State, BYU, hell even UM in order to compete.

 

[Slow Hand]

I will make this prediction....He will have to fire a coordinator or two in order to get better. He needs to find someone who can recruit and sell Laramie over the surrounding Colleges. Right now, with our two year record that is hard to do. We will continue to get the players that nobody else wants and now and then we will get a diamond like B Hill, or Brett Smith. We need to offer the best athlete or two in our state and then get our butt to where the football players are. Problem the best football players in our state end up in Wash, Florida or sounds like this year Stanford. SMH

 

[MrTitleist]

And the best players in Wyoming will continue to go to those schools. Just like they do in Montana.. the best in-state kids end up in the PAC12. That's reality. Tevan Bryan, the guy from Cheyenne, etc will continue to pursue bigger opportunities.

 

[ELKMT]

And the Wyoming walkons will quit mid semester.

 

[LanderPoke]

New Flash...Next year isn't going to be any better! But hey lets not judge, give the man a "few more years!" Fire that sucker and go get a young coach on their way up! So what if they leave after three years at least we have a chance to win while they are here!

You obviously have an agenda and I really hope no one takes you seriously

 

[Mr.Large]

Every team in the SEC recruits JUCO's heavily. A friend of mine who a CSU guy thinks Bohl has a case of the Dakotas. His prime focus is locally. He should do what Shyatt does and look nationally.

I agree.

 

[yopaulie]

You really have no idea what you're going to get when you start dipping into the JC ranks. See: Dax Crum. Can't build a team off transfers, if you bring in too many it discourages freshman recruits from signing, plus you set yourself back from really being able to build a team, rather just constantly applying band-aids hoping to stop a lava-flow. A JC transfer or two on the OL this year, sure. Do it. Maybe as depth on the DL too or one or two in the secondary. But that's not Bohl's philosophy.

And the other thing.. you gotta find a JC guy that wants to come to your school.

Also, I'd say Bohl probably knows a little about D1 recruiting.. his NDSU teams often played up and punched teams in the mouth.

Bohl has no idea how to recruit at this level. Beating a team or two each year does not constitute a dyed in the wool recruiter at this level. He was great at the D2 level cause he recruited local kids (Three states all of which were in relatively close proximity to NDSU) who D1 programs didn't want. He can't win at Laramie doing that! He needs to be able to beat like CSU, Boise, Utah State, BYU, hell even UM in order to compete.

You obviously havent followed Bohls Ndsu tenure closely, because you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[MrTitleist]

Every team in the SEC recruits JUCO's heavily. A friend of mine who a CSU guy thinks Bohl has a case of the Dakotas. His prime focus is locally. He should do what Shyatt does and look nationally.

I agree.

Bohl's first full class had players from 10 states (2015). His first partial class had players from 11 states (2014). How much more national do you want? That doesn't even include players in states where the Pokes had offers extended to.

 

[Slow Hand]

New Flash...Next year isn't going to be any better! But hey lets not judge, give the man a "few more years!" Fire that sucker and go get a young coach on their way up! So what if they leave after three years at least we have a chance to win while they are here!

You obviously have an agenda and I really hope no one takes you seriously

My only agenda is I am really tired of hoping the next guy turns things around! Pumping sunshine really isn't my forte' I have been around for three coaches now and I am as disappointed in Bohl's efforts as I have ever been.

 

[Slow Hand]

You really have no idea what you're going to get when you start dipping into the JC ranks. See: Dax Crum. Can't build a team off transfers, if you bring in too many it discourages freshman recruits from signing, plus you set yourself back from really being able to build a team, rather just constantly applying band-aids hoping to stop a lava-flow. A JC transfer or two on the OL this year, sure. Do it. Maybe as depth on the DL too or one or two in the secondary. But that's not Bohl's philosophy.

And the other thing.. you gotta find a JC guy that wants to come to your school.

Also, I'd say Bohl probably knows a little about D1 recruiting.. his NDSU teams often played up and punched teams in the mouth.

Bohl has no idea how to recruit at this level. Beating a team or two each year does not constitute a dyed in the wool recruiter at this level. He was great at the D2 level cause he recruited local kids (Three states all of which were in relatively close proximity to NDSU) who D1 programs didn't want. He can't win at Laramie doing that! He needs to be able to beat like CSU, Boise, Utah State, BYU, hell even UM in order to compete.

You obviously havent followed Bohls Ndsu tenure closely, because you don't know what you are talking about.

We will see.

 

[Slow Hand]

You know I lay a lot of this on Bohl but in reality it is the people he has decided to surround himself with . I think he is a fairly charismatic fella but we all need to realize like any head coach he does almost ZERO coaching! That is delegated to his coordinators and position coaches. I have watched him operate in practice and in the off season he really doesn't do much. But because he is the head knocker he bears the brunt of the disgruntled fans and spectators. So perhaps my frustration is misplaced but he gets the big bucks so ultimately it ends with him. Tweek the system...get the hell out of the Tampa Two and integrate a little pizazz into the offensive scheme. Stop playing "Not to lose"

 

[WyoBrandX]

Look, if Bohl isn't winning more than 50% of his games regularly in 3 more years - with some nice, signature wins over some big teams, and an occasional championship - fire him.

Until then, he was hired to do a job. I'm sure he could shortcut stuff to get us winning - and it would probably put the fans in a better mindset. It would be longer before he would get over the .500 mark and fans would be calling for his head again.

He's not taking shortcuts. He is building it his way. And if he can't get it done - Burman will be gone - and hopefully the next guy can find someone who can.

 

[laxwyo]

Just because slow hand washes jock straps and has learned some inside info on who might play week to week or who's left the program doesn't make him an expert on recruiting or offensive/defensive scheme. God damn, it sounds like you should be the next coach since you obviously know what needs to be done

 

[JimmyDimes]

Yeah.. probably oughta fire Bohl. That way when we go to look for a new head coach and they see that we fired a guy 2 years into a rebuild they'd be all like, "Man, this is the place for me!"

Fans have zero concept of what it takes to build a football team, especially a team that was as thin on depth and poor as we were when Christiansen was fired. He didn't recruit hardly any OL or barely anyone on defense.. but by god we were loaded at WR. We're not Florida State, our "play immediately" guys aren't guys who would play immediately at other schools. Granderson is example A of that.. he's a 200lb defensive end playing division 1 football and you guys are saying he should be ready? Come on, man.

I get it, we're playing very poorly against competition who is also very poor.. but firing a guy who is two years in is the most foolish thing on the planet.

Good post Titleist. I realize it sucks to be in the position we are in, but it is what it is. And, as fans, the best thing we can do is support the program because this wasn't going to be a quick fix to begin with. And, all the attrition didn't help. When you have size and depth issues......I won't even mention age and experience, it is going to take more than a week to improve the situation...it is going to take recruiting classes. More than 1 1/2 classes at that. Two more years and IMO, we will be happy that Bohl is our coach. Right now fans are just frustrated and need to be pissed at something.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Just because slow hand washes jock straps and has learned some inside info on who might play week to week or who's left the program doesn't make him an expert on recruiting or offensive/defensive scheme. God damn, it sounds like you should be the next coach since you obviously know what needs to be done

This.

I'm honestly amazed some people thought a team full of underclassmen starters, especially on the line, would be the size of seniors and juniors right out of high school. But most freshmen at most positions are going to be undersized, raw, and not as disciplined as juniors or seniors. Last year we had the benefit of having a team very senior heavy. Though DC did little to fill in behind them (par for the course there), and we are still paying for it by having to have so many young guys play.