BIG XII Expansion

[KC_Cowboy1990]

Apparently not everybody wants BYU in the Big 12.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...letter-to-big-12-urging-it-to-shun-byu-080816

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...dvocacy-groups-not-admit-byu-expansion-school

Funny how these advocacy groups aren't around when Baylor's football team is raping women left and right but the minute a religious institution is on the verge of joining the league, pandemonium! I don't think this means a whole lot. Money talks and bovine pooh walks. You can't advocate equality if you're cherry picking who gets said equality. This is just ESPN embellishing a non-story.

 

[laxwyo]

Apparently not everybody wants BYU in the Big 12.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...letter-to-big-12-urging-it-to-shun-byu-080816

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...dvocacy-groups-not-admit-byu-expansion-school

Funny how these advocacy groups aren't around when Baylor's football team is raping women left and right but the minute a religious institution is on the verge of joining the league, pandemonium! I don't think this means a whole lot. Money talks and bovine pooh walks. You can't advocate equality if you're cherry picking who gets said equality. This is just ESPN embellishing a non-story.

I'd say the same thing but the LGBT community has gotten a lot of PR lately so they're trying to swing their bigger stick


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[Asmodeanreborn]

Apparently not everybody wants BYU in the Big 12.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...letter-to-big-12-urging-it-to-shun-byu-080816

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...dvocacy-groups-not-admit-byu-expansion-school

Funny how these advocacy groups aren't around when Baylor's football team is raping women left and right but the minute a religious institution is on the verge of joining the league, pandemonium! I don't think this means a whole lot. Money talks and bovine pooh walks. You can't advocate equality if you're cherry picking who gets said equality. This is just ESPN embellishing a non-story.

Wait, why would LGBT organizations protest something not related to their agendas? That's a little like an anti-abortion movement staging an anti-war rally.

As far as Baylor goes, there's been quite a bit of protesting lately - and it's starting to look more and more like it isn't the football/athletic program that is at fault, but rather the entire institution (that is, it's WAY bigger than just the football team).

Also, Baylor's a religious institution. They lifted the ban on dancing in 1996 and they have an honor code somewhat similar to BYU.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Wait, why would LGBT organizations protest something not related to their agendas? That's a little like an anti-abortion movement staging an anti-war rally.

"LGBT coaches, players and fans who attend and/or compete at any Big 12 events hosted at BYU would be subject to discrimination since BYU remains exempt from Utah's LGBT nondiscrimination law. Moreover, any student-athlete who identifies as LGBT, and subsequently selects BYU due to its Big 12 membership, would be subjected to BYU's unabashed discrimination."

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

Wait, why would LGBT organizations protest something not related to their agendas? That's a little like an anti-abortion movement staging an anti-war rally.

"LGBT coaches, players and fans who attend and/or compete at any Big 12 events hosted at BYU would be subject to discrimination since BYU remains exempt from Utah's LGBT nondiscrimination law. Moreover, any student-athlete who identifies as LGBT, and subsequently selects BYU due to its Big 12 membership, would be subjected to BYU's unabashed discrimination."

No, I meant why would they protest Baylor... I understand why they're protesting BYU's inclusion in Big 12.
I was responding to this:
"Funny how these advocacy groups aren't around when Baylor's football team is raping women left and right but the minute a religious institution is on the verge of joining the league, pandemonium!"

 

[SnowyRange]

It's a very interesting story.

More and more outfits/organizations are learning that their positions on LGBT matters have consequences.

Just ask the state of North Carolina.

 

[djm19]

This is just petty. We live in such a hypersensitive world. The people advocating freedom of speech and such are the same ones who cry when someone else wants the same right. The vocal minority is a world of double standard.

 

[Wyokie]

This is just petty. We live in such a hypersensitive world. The people advocating freedom of speech and such are the same ones who cry when someone else wants the same right. The vocal minority is a world of double standard.

Welcome to the 21st Century, djm19. Sadly, it'll get worse before things get better....if ever.

I'll get off the political soapbox now.

 

[djm19]

This is just petty. We live in such a hypersensitive world. The people advocating freedom of speech and such are the same ones who cry when someone else wants the same right. The vocal minority is a world of double standard.

Welcome to the 21st Century, djm19. Sadly, it'll get worse before things get better....if ever.

I'll get off the political soapbox now.

I agree. Just call it what it is, BYU is a high maintenance conf member. Done. The pros may not outweigh their cons. Done. They may issues with Sunday play making it problematic. Done. But this is a stretch. Unfortunately, it is the most petty issue in all of it.

Meh. Oh well. I am a dumb middle-aged white guy. What do I know.

 

[Wyovanian]

Apparently not everybody wants BYU in the Big 12.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...letter-to-big-12-urging-it-to-shun-byu-080816

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...dvocacy-groups-not-admit-byu-expansion-school

Reality is sinking BYU*'s aspirations. I've been saying for years now, BYU* is a pariah to most serious academicians. Their ownership/ affiliation and what the Mormon Church espouses and advocates is the fatal flaw to their athletic aspirations...

 

[djm19]

Apparently not everybody wants BYU in the Big 12.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...letter-to-big-12-urging-it-to-shun-byu-080816

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...dvocacy-groups-not-admit-byu-expansion-school

Reality is sinking BYU*'s aspirations. I've been saying for years now, BYU* is a pariah to most serious academicians. Their ownership/ affiliation and what the Mormon Church espouses and advocates is the fatal flaw to their athletic aspirations...

One of my best friend's is openly gay. Goes to a Mormon church every week. No problems for him. Why? Because he isn't a hypersensitive baby like many in society now. He can be gay and still have a belief system.
People can bag on a religion (Mormon, catholic, Islam, whatever) all day, call it a cult, call it names and call them crazy...and it is green light in society. Yet if anyone who chooses to believe in a religion voice opinion, they are bigots. Once again...double standard.

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[Wyovanian]

Apparently not everybody wants BYU in the Big 12.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...letter-to-big-12-urging-it-to-shun-byu-080816

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...dvocacy-groups-not-admit-byu-expansion-school

Reality is sinking BYU*'s aspirations. I've been saying for years now, BYU* is a pariah to most serious academicians. Their ownership/ affiliation and what the Mormon Church espouses and advocates is the fatal flaw to their athletic aspirations...

One of my best friend's is openly gay. Goes to a Mormon church every week. No problems for him. Why? Because he isn't a hypersensitive baby like many in society now. He can be gay and still have a belief system.
People can bag on a religion (Mormon, catholic, Islam, whatever) all day, call it a cult, call it names and call them crazy...and it is green light in society. Yet if anyone who chooses to believe in a religion voice opinion, they are bigots. Once again...double standard.

Bomb exploding in this thread in 3......2...........1....

That's not really my point. The problem BYU* has is they want to be treated as a mainstream athletic program but they also want to be treated special for their otherwise non-mainstream views and beliefs. Can't have it both ways, sorry.

 

[WYCowboy]

Apparently not everybody wants BYU in the Big 12.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...letter-to-big-12-urging-it-to-shun-byu-080816

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...dvocacy-groups-not-admit-byu-expansion-school

Reality is sinking BYU*'s aspirations. I've been saying for years now, BYU* is a pariah to most serious academicians. Their ownership/ affiliation and what the Mormon Church espouses and advocates is the fatal flaw to their athletic aspirations...

One of my best friend's is openly gay. Goes to a Mormon church every week. No problems for him. Why? Because he isn't a hypersensitive baby like many in society now. He can be gay and still have a belief system.
People can bag on a religion (Mormon, catholic, Islam, whatever) all day, call it a cult, call it names and call them crazy...and it is green light in society. Yet if anyone who chooses to believe in a religion voice opinion, they are bigots. Once again...double standard.

Bomb exploding in this thread in 3......2...........1....

That's not really my point. The problem BYU* has is they want to be treated as a mainstream athletic program but they also want to be treated special for their otherwise non-mainstream views and beliefs. Can't have it both ways, sorry.

Wyovanian - you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Expat_Poke]

Apparently not everybody wants BYU in the Big 12.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...letter-to-big-12-urging-it-to-shun-byu-080816

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...dvocacy-groups-not-admit-byu-expansion-school

Reality is sinking BYU*'s aspirations. I've been saying for years now, BYU* is a pariah to most serious academicians. Their ownership/ affiliation and what the Mormon Church espouses and advocates is the fatal flaw to their athletic aspirations...

One of my best friend's is openly gay. Goes to a Mormon church every week. No problems for him. Why? Because he isn't a hypersensitive baby like many in society now. He can be gay and still have a belief system.
People can bag on a religion (Mormon, catholic, Islam, whatever) all day, call it a cult, call it names and call them crazy...and it is green light in society. Yet if anyone who chooses to believe in a religion voice opinion, they are bigots. Once again...double standard.

Bomb exploding in this thread in 3......2...........1....

That's not really my point. The problem BYU* has is they want to be treated as a mainstream athletic program but they also want to be treated special for their otherwise non-mainstream views and beliefs. Can't have it both ways, sorry.

BYU wants to be the LDS Notre Dame. What they fail to grasp is Notre Dame is Notre Dame, not because it is "Catholic", Notre Dame is Notre Dame because it appealed to the Irish heritage/culture of the Chicago area. Within Catholic circles, many consider Notre Dame to be nominally Catholic and that's it. BYU does not understand what Notre Dame's real foundation for what its athletic program is today. It isn't religion. If you have Irish heritage in Chicago, you had reason to root for Notre Dame even if you aren't a Catholic. BYU doesn't have a similar sort of appeal.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Notre Dame also has history on their side. 11 national championships, 2nd most wins and the highest winning percentage in college football history. While those kinds of accomplishments will bring a lot of haters, it will also foster a lot of fans. byu couldn't hold a candle to ND in the history department

 

[J-Rod]

Momentum seems to be leading towards Houston and Cincinnati gaining inclusion.

Fuck CSU, nobody cares about them.

...but BYU. If they get left on the outside looking in, one has to wonder where their future will be. Maybe it won't happen right away, but 2020-beyond...I can see the MW getting involved.

This assumes this Big XII doesn't blow up altogether.

 

[Wyokie]

This assumes this Big XII doesn't blow up altogether.

It will. One way or another.

 

[Wyokie]

Interesting article (or opinion piece) from the Daily B.S. (Oklahoman)

http://newsok.com/are-the-big-12-powers-playing-poker-with-espn-fox/article/5513165

BTW, the writer is a big-time OU buttkisser so...

 

[Coeur d' Alene]

You want more research? Which of these sets more closely resembles a town with a population of 32,000?

San Jose, CA 998,000
Las Vegas, NV 603,000
Albuquerque, NM 556,000
Fresno, CA 509,000
Honolulu, HI 375,000
Reno, NV 233,000
Boise, ID 215,000

OR

Fargo, ND 113,000
Missoula, MT 69,000
Grand Forks, ND 55,000
Bozeman, MT 40,000
Brookings, SD 23,000
Vermillion, SD 11,000

Calm down. Wish I wouldn't have upset a North Dakota mind. My point was supposed to be about what is best for the university of Wyoming athletic teams. I love North Dakota and Montana people- I deal with them everyday and many know me as a Montana person. Those schools just aren't what would be best for UW. Don't cherry pick endowments. That's only one part. Do you see me wanting Rice over Houston? No.


Wyoming doesn't want to be in a small town league no matter how much it benefits you. Wyoming wants to be in a national conference, Montana or Dakota schools can not help that. Don't take offense to that. That wasn't the point. If you are offended at the thought of Gonzaga, long beach state or Houston type schools/locations being better as a conference member with this university then I don't know what to say. I love what you bring so I'm sad to become an enemy but I sure wouldn't change my opinion to be your buddy. Wish I could without pretending that a Montana or a Dakota school could help Wyoming

 

[Coeur d' Alene]

If this is a Wyoming Cowboy board, then by proxy what makes the MWC a better conference, has everything to do with Wyoming and it's athletic department. There isn't a flaming snowballs chance in hell Wyoming gets into a P5 conference any time soon. Entertaining that thought is a lot crazier than entertaining the thought of Montana, NDSU, or UTEP being good additions to help bulk up conference prestige in the MWC.

Why choose those 3 schools. 1 is unlike the other 2. City size, state size, athletic history.......


It's ok for Wyoming fans to want it's schools national standing to go up. Why is there so much argument to bring Wyoming down to levels that makes people in North Dakota or Montana feel better?