And so it begins....

[TSpoke]

After reading up on everything and doing a bit of reading between the lines it looks like Bohl didn't like Will having a job in addition to playing football. As a walk-on he needed a job. Will wanted to get a scholarship so he wouldn't have to work. When they didn't offer him one it sounded like he was still willing to stay as a walk-on and continue working but Bohl didn't want someone with a job on the team because it cuts on the time to focus on football so he kicked him off the team. I don't have an opinion on if Will should have been given a scholarship or not but thought in 2014 he played really well and thought he could have deserved one after last season. This year he didn't do much but sounds like he had some injury issues.

Its also up to Bohl if he wants players on the team to have jobs or not but if they are walk-ons what else are they supposed to do. Thats the concerning part for me. With all the talk about building a strong walk-on program and getting local kids to walk-on and focus locally and build up the walk-on program like Nebraska, not allowing a local kid to walk-on(especially one who as contributed to the team), along with all the other walk-ons that left during the season raises some red flags for me.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Alex Borgs?

No.

He stated he got hurt in the middle of the season (see Hawai'i) and briefly came back 3 weeks later (see Fresno) before he was done & missed senior night (Boise).

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Alex Borgs?

No.

He stated he got hurt in the middle of the season (see Hawai'i) and briefly came back 3 weeks later (see Fresno) before he was done & missed senior night (Boise).

Not who I thought

 

[Wyovanian]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WMT19/status/675066504690446336[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WMT19/status/675065856792133632[/tweet]

This is the reason a number of players (especially ones mentioned on this board) have "left the program." Articles, tweets, and press releases have stated a myriad of reasons, but the real reason is particular coaches have forced players out of the program against the players wishes. I would almost say this has become an epidemic.

Oh give me a frickin' break. Football programs are always cutting players against their wishes. If you don't want to see how the tasty sausage is made, don't go to the icky meat packing plant.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I have no idea about any of this, but, even if a player is hurt and if that player gave 4-5 years to the program, then that Senior should be able to participate in Senior Night in some capacity.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Thanks hokey pokie for trying to enlighten people on this subject, some just will not except it and do not want to hear it , that is the problem here actually.

No, what current, future and past pokes need to understand is "NO PLAYER IS BIGGER THAN THE PROGRAM". Players will come and go, get injured, quit, have breakout years, become stars, etc. but not one of them individually define the program. So, yes, sorry if you or others got a raw deal or you think you may have been slighted. But if the person in charge of running "the program" at the time doesn't believe you are a right fit, or you may be causing waves of negativity, then he has every right to offer or rescind a Scholly.
Also a coach is also no bigger than the program, and coaches will also come and go, and others succeed and others fail. But he does ultimately make the tough decisions when he is here.
Sorry, but in sports not everyone gets an equal or fair shake. That is why sports is a physical challenge. You step up to it.
From what I've seen so far, I'm not to worried about the "attrition" this year. Olive was not a huge surprise, he had rumors before last year of whether he was going to return or not. Like most said on here, his game was not impressive, senior or not, not a huge loss.
Tuetins actions after the fact show some of the attitude he may have showed with coaches and players. That may be a cause.
Bailey??? Are we really worried about this? Maybe he saw the competition coming in with Rothe and decided it wasn't worth the battle?

Overall, does anyone really see anything to worry about on here. I find it funny that Olive in leaving even said this team will be on the rise. Hardly sounds like something to worry about. And the coaching staff have been brining in some really good looking football players.
Complain all you want, but we wanted progress. And progress isn't always pretty Sunshine and roses...

 

[djm19]

I actually really appreciate a player coming on here and voicing concern. I think we were all enlightend some. I am wishing this player the best. Finishing college is an accomplishment in and of itself.

New day.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I have no idea about any of this, but, even if a player is hurt and if that player gave 4-5 years to the program, then that Senior should be able to participate in Senior Night in some capacity.

I would agree with this 100%.

Recognition of a guy's efforts for 4-5 years has nothing to do with being "bigger than the program".

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I have no idea about any of this, but, even if a player is hurt and if that player gave 4-5 years to the program, then that Senior should be able to participate in Senior Night in some capacity.

I would agree with this 100%.

Recognition of a guy's efforts for 4-5 years has nothing to do with being "bigger than the program".

I too agree he should have been allowed at his senior night activities. That sucks.

 

[kansasCowboy]

I have no idea about any of this, but, even if a player is hurt and if that player gave 4-5 years to the program, then that Senior should be able to participate in Senior Night in some capacity.

I would agree with this 100%.

Recognition of a guy's efforts for 4-5 years has nothing to do with being "bigger than the program".

Everything I've read on here including Hokey, is seeing 20/40. We only see it from one perspective, theirs. In order to see 20/20, you need to have understanding of both sides, there may have been much more involved with Mr. Hokey, that we aren't hearing. It was a pretty one sided story to say the least.
Mr. Tuetin showed what his attitude may be like around other players with this "feeling slighted" bit. Maybe he felt he earned something and acted out when it doesn't go his way. And was he forced out? Or just told he would have to walk on again??? Big difference.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I have no idea about any of this, but, even if a player is hurt and if that player gave 4-5 years to the program, then that Senior should be able to participate in Senior Night in some capacity.

I would agree with this 100%.

Recognition of a guy's efforts for 4-5 years has nothing to do with being "bigger than the program".

Everything I've read on here including Hokey, is seeing 20/40. We only see it from one perspective, theirs. In order to see 20/20, you need to have understanding of both sides, there may have been much more involved with Mr. Hokey, that we aren't hearing. It was a pretty one sided story to say the least.
Mr. Tuetin showed what his attitude may be like around other players with this "feeling slighted" bit. Maybe he felt he earned something and acted out when it doesn't go his way. And was he forced out? Or just told he would have to walk on again??? Big difference.

Agreed. This was my point. Hokey did nothing to show malicious intent by Bohl. It sucks to be told your career is over, I know. But that doesn't mean anyone needs to be dragged through the mud.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I have no idea about any of this, but, even if a player is hurt and if that player gave 4-5 years to the program, then that Senior should be able to participate in Senior Night in some capacity.

I would agree with this 100%.

Recognition of a guy's efforts for 4-5 years has nothing to do with being "bigger than the program".

Everything I've read on here including Hokey, is seeing 20/40. We only see it from one perspective, theirs. In order to see 20/20, you need to have understanding of both sides, there may have been much more involved with Mr. Hokey, that we aren't hearing. It was a pretty one sided story to say the least.

I agree with you, things might've been much more involved and we can't jump to conclusions. However, unless he was dismissed from the team for violating policy or something (he wasn't, that would've made headlines), I don't think bad blood is grounds for missing senior night. Dude was a starter and captain a mere 5 games before it if I did my math right.

I doubt we will ever hear the other side of the story, unfortunately.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

The first Big name player has called it quits for the University of Wyoming. Uso has announced that he is packing up and leaving. You will hear all kinds of reasons, but the bottom line is he does not want to be here. I Know there has been a lot of hype about our early verbals but I wonder how many other D1 offers they have? It is my belief that we will see some more follow him. I already made my point in the receiving corps....everyone of last years recruits have expressed a desire to leave. We are on very shaky ground right now with this program. I know many of you have expressed that you believe that Bohl will get it done here but I have always been a sceptic. Now with Uce leaving the hair on the back of my neck is beginning to stand up. This program could fall even deeper into the shitter than it already is. I did not think that was possible.........

This is a petty horse shit post full of stuff that is far from the truth. Uso's departure had NOTHING to do with the coaches or football, and he wanted to stay at Wyoming. His departure had to do with things that were away from football. So little minds like Slow Brain here will spread lying rumors and still talk like they are living in the guys jocks with them. Uso knows that the reason he is leaving is due to his decisions and he is NOT leaving because he doesn't want to be here anymore. Tracy exposed "Slow Brains" lies here and it is backed by by Uso's tweets. The proper way of starting this post, is "Slow Brain's" hatred toward the coaching staff has come up in his lies about them.

 

[Slow Hand]

The first Big name player has called it quits for the University of Wyoming. Uso has announced that he is packing up and leaving. You will hear all kinds of reasons, but the bottom line is he does not want to be here. I Know there has been a lot of hype about our early verbals but I wonder how many other D1 offers they have? It is my belief that we will see some more follow him. I already made my point in the receiving corps....everyone of last years recruits have expressed a desire to leave. We are on very shaky ground right now with this program. I know many of you have expressed that you believe that Bohl will get it done here but I have always been a sceptic. Now with Uce leaving the hair on the back of my neck is beginning to stand up. This program could fall even deeper into the shitter than it already is. I did not think that was possible.........

This is a petty horse shit post full of stuff that is far from the truth. Uso's departure had NOTHING to do with the coaches or football, and he wanted to stay at Wyoming. His departure had to do with things that were away from football. So little minds like Slow Brain here will spread lying rumors and still talk like they are living in the guys jocks with them. Uso knows that the reason he is leaving is due to his decisions and he is NOT leaving because he doesn't want to be here anymore. Tracy exposed "Slow Brains" lies here and it is backed by by Uso's tweets. The proper way of starting this post, is "Slow Brain's" hatred toward the coaching staff has come up in his lies about them.

Like I said you will hear a lot of reasons why............. Case-in-point.

 

[Hampshire]

Thanks hokey pokie for trying to enlighten people on this subject, some just will not except it and do not want to hear it , that is the problem here actually.

No, what current, future and past pokes need to understand is "NO PLAYER IS BIGGER THAN THE PROGRAM". Players will come and go, get injured, quit, have breakout years, become stars, etc. but not one of them individually define the program. So, yes, sorry if you or others got a raw deal or you think you may have been slighted. But if the person in charge of running "the program" at the time doesn't believe you are a right fit, or you may be causing waves of negativity, then he has every right to offer or rescind a Scholly.
Also a coach is also no bigger than the program, and coaches will also come and go, and others succeed and others fail. But he does ultimately make the tough decisions when he is here.
Sorry, but in sports not everyone gets an equal or fair shake. That is why sports is a physical challenge. You step up to it.
From what I've seen so far, I'm not to worried about the "attrition" this year. Olive was not a huge surprise, he had rumors before last year of whether he was going to return or not. Like most said on here, his game was not impressive, senior or not, not a huge loss.
Tuetins actions after the fact show some of the attitude he may have showed with coaches and players. That may be a cause.
Bailey??? Are we really worried about this? Maybe he saw the competition coming in with Rothe and decided it wasn't worth the battle?

Overall, does anyone really see anything to worry about on here. I find it funny that Olive in leaving even said this team will be on the rise. Hardly sounds like something to worry about. And the coaching staff have been brining in some really good looking football players.
Complain all you want, but we wanted progress. And progress isn't always pretty Sunshine and roses...

yes.........it's still a team , coaches and players , the players comming into the program should know 100 percent about the program good and along with that the bad and hope they offset each other.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

The first Big name player has called it quits for the University of Wyoming. Uso has announced that he is packing up and leaving. You will hear all kinds of reasons, but the bottom line is he does not want to be here. I Know there has been a lot of hype about our early verbals but I wonder how many other D1 offers they have? It is my belief that we will see some more follow him. I already made my point in the receiving corps....everyone of last years recruits have expressed a desire to leave. We are on very shaky ground right now with this program. I know many of you have expressed that you believe that Bohl will get it done here but I have always been a sceptic. Now with Uce leaving the hair on the back of my neck is beginning to stand up. This program could fall even deeper into the shitter than it already is. I did not think that was possible.........

This is a petty horse shit post full of stuff that is far from the truth. Uso's departure had NOTHING to do with the coaches or football, and he wanted to stay at Wyoming. His departure had to do with things that were away from football. So little minds like Slow Brain here will spread lying rumors and still talk like they are living in the guys jocks with them. Uso knows that the reason he is leaving is due to his decisions and he is NOT leaving because he doesn't want to be here anymore. Tracy exposed "Slow Brains" lies here and it is backed by by Uso's tweets. The proper way of starting this post, is "Slow Brain's" hatred toward the coaching staff has come up in his lies about them.

Like I said you will hear a lot of reasons why............. Case-in-point.

What else can someone say, when they are unwilling to say that they spread rumors that had no truth in them! The case in-point is that you got caught, period! Players leave for a variety of reasons, and many of them are not because they don't want to be here or don't like the coaches. Your small mind always runs to one reason, "the players don't want to be here because of the coaches." Players make choices that always aren't the best for themselves and this causes others to make decisions, this appears to be lost on you. Uso was honest in his tweets, why can't you be? Oh that is right, you have an axe to grind....and you never miss a chance even if it is spreading lies to do that. Again, the bottom line, is that you got caught.

 

[Slow Hand]

The first Big name player has called it quits for the University of Wyoming. Uso has announced that he is packing up and leaving. You will hear all kinds of reasons, but the bottom line is he does not want to be here. I Know there has been a lot of hype about our early verbals but I wonder how many other D1 offers they have? It is my belief that we will see some more follow him. I already made my point in the receiving corps....everyone of last years recruits have expressed a desire to leave. We are on very shaky ground right now with this program. I know many of you have expressed that you believe that Bohl will get it done here but I have always been a sceptic. Now with Uce leaving the hair on the back of my neck is beginning to stand up. This program could fall even deeper into the shitter than it already is. I did not think that was possible.........

This is a petty horse shit post full of stuff that is far from the truth. Uso's departure had NOTHING to do with the coaches or football, and he wanted to stay at Wyoming. His departure had to do with things that were away from football. So little minds like Slow Brain here will spread lying rumors and still talk like they are living in the guys jocks with them. Uso knows that the reason he is leaving is due to his decisions and he is NOT leaving because he doesn't want to be here anymore. Tracy exposed "Slow Brains" lies here and it is backed by by Uso's tweets. The proper way of starting this post, is "Slow Brain's" hatred toward the coaching staff has come up in his lies about them.

Like I said you will hear a lot of reasons why............. Case-in-point.

What else can someone say, when they are unwilling to say that they spread rumors that had no truth in them! The case in-point is that you got caught, period! Players leave for a variety of reasons, and many of them are not because they don't want to be here or don't like the coaches. Your small mind always runs to one reason, "the players don't want to be here because of the coaches." Players make choices that always aren't the best for themselves and this causes others to make decisions, this appears to be lost on you. Uso was honest in his tweets, why can't you be? Oh that is right, you have an axe to grind....and you never miss a chance even if it is spreading lies to do that. Again, the bottom line, is that you got caught.

So your info and passion is based on Tweets? Hmmm now who is the Simple minded one?

 

[Wyovanian]

I have no idea about any of this, but, even if a player is hurt and if that player gave 4-5 years to the program, then that Senior should be able to participate in Senior Night in some capacity.

I would agree with this 100%.

Recognition of a guy's efforts for 4-5 years has nothing to do with being "bigger than the program".

I too agree he should have been allowed at his senior night activities. That sucks.

Having been in management (both mid-level and executive) for nearly twenty years, I've learned quite a bit about personal accounts of events- how they can be skewed by emotion and things being taken personally when they should be taken professionally. There is almost always an element of truth to accounts from all sides. When someone admits such a thing happened, I'd take that as truth, but I don't think the real motives behind that action are being framed accurately. Bohl is an executive, and that means tough choices have to be made. Very few executives want to make their jobs harder than they already are. Keeping ethos and pathos with the team you have to build and lead is crucial to the execution of the position. This is why we should all consider this account with a highly discerning eye and ear.

Whoever this player is (once a Cowboy, always a Cowboy, to borrow a phrase from Brandon Ewing), he deserves our thanks and admiration for his contributions as a player and teammate. However, it would be hasty and the acme of foolishness to accept his account completely on face value. I'm certain that his account of being more or less shunned from the team is likely true, but the veracity of the motives he assigns is dubious at best, given how little detail there really is, vis a vis, the coaching staff and Bohl's office.

In short, I'm far more inclined to trust the judgement of a seasoned executive like Bohl, than I am the judgement of someone with highly limited life experience that also has a deeply emotional connection to the events transpired.

If there's an ethics issue in the Wyoming Football Head Coach's office, it will eventually be exposed through a series of events and accounts from points-of-view far more diverse than the account of one, or even a few disappointed players. Until such things happen the default setting must be one of trust in the judgement of the executive charged with the task of running the enterprise. To do otherwise is simply undermining the foundation required for success, whether in College Football, Basketball, Volleyball, Swimming, running a department, etc.

In any undertaking, there will always be those involved who end up disappointed at the personal effect of any results. This is why no one is bigger than the totality of the endeavor.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

The first Big name player has called it quits for the University of Wyoming. Uso has announced that he is packing up and leaving. You will hear all kinds of reasons, but the bottom line is he does not want to be here. I Know there has been a lot of hype about our early verbals but I wonder how many other D1 offers they have? It is my belief that we will see some more follow him. I already made my point in the receiving corps....everyone of last years recruits have expressed a desire to leave. We are on very shaky ground right now with this program. I know many of you have expressed that you believe that Bohl will get it done here but I have always been a sceptic. Now with Uce leaving the hair on the back of my neck is beginning to stand up. This program could fall even deeper into the shitter than it already is. I did not think that was possible.........

This is a petty horse shit post full of stuff that is far from the truth. Uso's departure had NOTHING to do with the coaches or football, and he wanted to stay at Wyoming. His departure had to do with things that were away from football. So little minds like Slow Brain here will spread lying rumors and still talk like they are living in the guys jocks with them. Uso knows that the reason he is leaving is due to his decisions and he is NOT leaving because he doesn't want to be here anymore. Tracy exposed "Slow Brains" lies here and it is backed by by Uso's tweets. The proper way of starting this post, is "Slow Brain's" hatred toward the coaching staff has come up in his lies about them.

Like I said you will hear a lot of reasons why............. Case-in-point.

What else can someone say, when they are unwilling to say that they spread rumors that had no truth in them! The case in-point is that you got caught, period! Players leave for a variety of reasons, and many of them are not because they don't want to be here or don't like the coaches. Your small mind always runs to one reason, "the players don't want to be here because of the coaches." Players make choices that always aren't the best for themselves and this causes others to make decisions, this appears to be lost on you. Uso was honest in his tweets, why can't you be? Oh that is right, you have an axe to grind....and you never miss a chance even if it is spreading lies to do that. Again, the bottom line, is that you got caught.

So your info and passion is based on Tweets? Hmmm now who is the Simple minded one?

It is based upon much more than tweets "Slow Brain", it is based upon Tracy's posts, Uso's tweets and personal communication....I am a member of Cowboy Joe Club and I waited until I could hear the whole story before I reacted to hate rumors like yours. I did check it out, and the bottom line is that you got exposed for someone that spreads lying rumors! If there is anyone that is sure to take the low road and spread lying rumors it is you, "Slow Brain".

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I have no idea about any of this, but, even if a player is hurt and if that player gave 4-5 years to the program, then that Senior should be able to participate in Senior Night in some capacity.

I would agree with this 100%.

Recognition of a guy's efforts for 4-5 years has nothing to do with being "bigger than the program".

I too agree he should have been allowed at his senior night activities. That sucks.

Having been in management (both mid-level and executive) for nearly twenty years, I've learned quite a bit about personal accounts of events- how they can be skewed by emotion and things being taken personally when they should be taken professionally. There is almost always an element of truth to accounts from all sides. When someone admits such a thing happened, I'd take that as truth, but I don't think the real motives behind that action are being framed accurately. Bohl is an executive, and that means tough choices have to be made. Very few executives want to make their jobs harder than they already are. Keeping ethos and pathos with the team you have to build and lead is crucial to the execution of the position. This is why we should all consider this account with a highly discerning eye and ear.

Whoever this player is (once a Cowboy, always a Cowboy, to borrow a phrase from Brandon Ewing), he deserves our thanks and admiration for his contributions as a player and teammate. However, it would be hasty and the acme of foolishness to accept his account completely on face value. I'm certain that his account of being more or less shunned from the team is likely true, but the veracity of the motives he assigns is dubious at best, given how little detail there really is, vis a vis, the coaching staff and Bohl's office.

In short, I'm far more inclined to trust the judgement of a seasoned executive like Bohl, than I am the judgement of someone with highly limited life experience that also has a deeply emotional connection to the events transpired.

If there's an ethics issue in the Wyoming Football Head Coach's office, it will eventually be exposed through a series of events and accounts from points-of-view far more diverse than the account of one, or even a few disappointed players. Until such things happen the default setting must be one of trust in the judgement of the executive charged with the task of running the enterprise. To do otherwise is simply undermining the foundation required for success, whether in College Football, Basketball, Volleyball, Swimming, running a department, etc.

In any undertaking, there will always be those involved who end up disappointed at the personal effect of any results. This is why no one is bigger than the totality of the endeavor.

Boom. There it is. Where is the Mic Drop emoji?