I think you are 100% correct. We will see soon enough how they do with an OC that isn't named Jay Johnson. My fear is that it will look a lot like it did with JJ in charge.
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PorkerPoke
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How about an OC who has been in the NFL as a coach and even as a head coach along with being the OC for Belichek at UNC?
He’s out of a job right now and I could easily see the UW media write up followed by an almost 100% regurgitation of the write up across the entire 2-4 Wyoming sports media outlets that have the ability to research the candidate and do their own writing.
Please don’t ruin the surprise by looking up Freddie Kitchens because all you need to know is his resume looks impressive if you just look at the job titles and employers ignoring the annoying performance details that don’t really reflect what a good deal Wyoming will be getting with recruits clamoring to be in association with those who have contacts with the big boys.
I cant't see happening. When I googled him one of the images that came up was him on the sidelines for BYU. That is disqualifier in my eyes.
This is interesting because I am 99% sure that he has never coached at or has any affiliation with BYU at all.
AI photo maybe?
PorkerPoke
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I recommended not looking him up
PorkerPoke
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Here is the 12-12-25 current list of FBS looking for OC’s:
G level
Bowling Green
East Carolina
James Madison
Memphis
Middle Tennessee State
Nevada
UConn
UTSA
Wyoming
P level
North Carolina
Ohio State
Texas A&M
Nevada, Bowling Green and Middle Tennessee State are the most likely to be at the Wyoming financial level or below.
I am guessing the other G level might have more flexibility than Wyoming.
No need to even think we are a choice with the P level programs.
G level
Bowling Green
East Carolina
James Madison
Memphis
Middle Tennessee State
Nevada
UConn
UTSA
Wyoming
P level
North Carolina
Ohio State
Texas A&M
Nevada, Bowling Green and Middle Tennessee State are the most likely to be at the Wyoming financial level or below.
I am guessing the other G level might have more flexibility than Wyoming.
No need to even think we are a choice with the P level programs.
At least wikipedia did not show he spent any time at BYU . maybe AI thinks he looks like someone else?
PorkerPoke
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Missouri is looking now but Texas A&M isn’t.
Otherwise the same teams are still looking.
More and more the quality assistants that a place like Wyoming could get are being retained elsewhere at competitive rates. Is Wyoming too big a risk anymore as compared to being a stepping stone like we once were?
If you are a decent coordinator it’s your market. A good time to be selective. Being a coordinator at a bottom feeder in a conference just ripped apart isn’t the recipe to entice.
OrediggerPoke
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The risk is you will take the job and be fired in a year when Wyoming hires a new head coach. Not a decent in-demand OC is dumb enough to take this job. We will be either hiring another buddy of Sawvel who has no other place to go or some position coach from another school looking to add OC to a resume.
Brew_Poke
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We don't pay competitively, else we'd have made a hire.
ragtimejoe1
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We don't pay competitively enough for our situation.
I'm betting the situation more than the pay. A failing hc that obviously knows very little about offense and a roster mostly devoid of offensive talent with presumably not enough nil to fix it in the portal in addition to hopes of retention pinned on the university's ability to afford a buyout or not.
That's going to take some dollars. If the situation were better, we pay enough.
And therein lies the rub. If it ever was possible to "do more with less", those days are long gone. Our "situation" dictates we should slash spending on sports since the results we are getting are probably achievable at a much lower dollar amount.... Or, alternatively, we get serious about investing in success and greatly increase pay without regard to where we rank against conference mates. If you are any good, the message should be, come to Wyoming and make a bag.... Unfortunately Wyoming coaching positions have become something like "come to Wyoming and enjoy little to no expectations with a compensation package that is in the middle to top third of the conference".
Wyoming OC pay is actually competitive in the G5 ranks
ragtimejoe1
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Much of the "bad" of our situation is self-inflicted starting with the coaching search (really lack of) and motivations behind hiring the staff we ended up with. It's going to cost to get someone willing (or rather financially motivated) enough to join the circus TB built.
Let's imagine it's completely self-inflicted...there is no reason that working at Wyoming would require a premium.
Now imagine it's completely imposed upon Wyoming by outside forces.
What changes?...we still have to overpay in relation to everybody. The "why" matters if your goal is to assign blame...and I do...believe me I do, but ultimately I want a winner. If nobody ever faces consequences for the disaster at UW athletics and we end up with an era that looks like the late '80s and early '90s I won't really care all that much. Probably won't happen without a complet housecleaning though.
ragtimejoe1
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The coming budget scrutiny (at least many are predicting this) will be justifiable and necessary.
I fear 19 years of complaceny, acceptance of mediocrity, and bemoaning theoretical outside forces will come to bite UW in the coming budget discussions. Reality is that we can't field a fbs team without taxpayer money. Now the game changed and UW athletics needs more money. Does the question finally arise, "for what?"? Will "we played a part in the Josh Allen story" be enough or does someone finally point out that you're the worst athletic department in the MWC and among the worst in g6? If the latter, does funding start to follow achievements? That will be the nail in the coffin. Thanks, TB
LanderPoke
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No one wants to have a stain on their resume. The OC job is too risky
McPeachy
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Unless you have somebody that really thinks they can make an impact and is willing to put their ass on the line to prove it. Which of course, is extremely rare in our world these days.
