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CSU and Wyoming in Separate Conferences

At some point, CSU is going to decide they don't need to continue playing Wyoming. Stress of the Pac-whatever conference schedule along with why give Wyoming any exposure in Colorado.

I'm sure they hated coming to Laramie and this is their ticket out. Burman will probably beg them to continue the series and agree to sell our home game to Folsom Field in Boulder as a compromise.

We should cut bait early and not play any of the benedicts. But as we've seen with the football series with BYU, good old Tom is everyone's buddy and just can't say no.
 
At some point, CSU is going to decide they don't need to continue playing Wyoming. Stress of the Pac-whatever conference schedule along with why give Wyoming any exposure in Colorado.

I'm sure they hated coming to Laramie and this is their ticket out. Burman will probably beg them to continue the series and agree to sell our home game to Folsom Field in Boulder as a compromise.

We should cut bait early and not play any of the benedicts. But as we've seen with the football series with BYU, good old Tom is everyone's buddy and just can't say no.
Why would they hate it? It 45 min away
 
Why would they hate it? It 45 min away
They see it as a no win proposition. Losing to small school (enrollment wise) in a state they don't recruit makes them look bad. If they beat us, it's no big deal because they were expected to anyway. It's the same reason CU and csewe aren't playing again for several years. CU has nothing to gain by playing csewe.
 
Trust me. They will unwind it.

This is the new world we live in. Wyoming is now a bottom feeder and they are in the almighty Pac-whatever.
The worst part of conference realignment is finding out who is the haves, and who is the have-nots. The writing is now on the wall.
 
I’m not following. Every FCS school has sports that are already competing in Division 1. FCS is Division 1!! It’s only in football where Division 1 is further subdivided.

The MWC will have to add at least 4 schools when all is said and done. There are only a few current FBS schools that would even come to this conference given its future makeup. Bringing up FCS teams is going to become a necessity of survival.

We are entering a future where the MWC is now the lowest rung of FBS football. Less media value than the MAC. Beggars can’t be choosers. This is the new reality. And it happened on Burman’s watch with what does not appear to be a plan in place at all.
Sorry, had to go overseas for a bit and never replied. I agree that there will need to be 2-4 schools that need to be brought into the conference. I also think there could be an alternative to bring FCS schools in that can help recruiting. The basis is this: TX replacement schools have fertile recruiting grounds to support the MWC over MT/ND. WYO had almost lost MWC street cred due to lack of attendance (remember project 20k?) Now we are asking smaller schools to hold that amount of people regularly when it is SJSU hosting the mighty Jackrabbits of SD who they may have only see during the FCS playoffs? There is no enhancement to going North.

Meanwhile, there is plenty of ripe opportunity with additional PAC funds to assist other schools get out of their current scenario. NMSU, UTEP, TXST, UTSA, UNT don't like their situations. I am good friends with an high-up individual in the UTSA athletics department, and many are saying they would "jump ship" immediately if a good opportunity like MWC presents itself, have been for years but never got approached.

Then comes travel...these schools all sit in very large and passionate fanbases who are similar to those of the MWC. Furthermore, many of them are in or near Military bases (AFA again). They are relatively easy to get in/out of, and have nicer weather for the November slate of games. There are regional rivalries with these schools that can be enhanced via more than ESPN+. It can be easy for a recruiter to attend 2-3 games, visit multiple schools, and still be there for the WYO road game all in the same weekend.

I just don't see how anything to the North of Laramie presents a good chance of keeping AFA engaged. E While the fanbases are passionate, they just don't fit the need. MWC can get back what they lost other than BSU. It just needs to focus on TV Markets (not in the North), and recruiting grounds (also not in the North). Unless those are in the Mid-West rather than the Northern Rockies. College FB is all about eyes on the game, not attendance anymore.

As for the Burman argument, I agree 100% and his nepotism has run WYO of contention for anything other than bottom of the barrel. He and his family may mean a lot to the state, but there is a reason that an AD of his tenure has not been offered bigger and better things. It is apparent that he is out of touch these days, and the youth of the conference just proved it while running circles around him and leaving.
 
Ugh, one of the aspects of college athletics was the regionality of it. Sorry the idea of adding a bunch of Texas schools just isn't worth the cost of trying to keep up with the Jones. I have zero interest in Wyoming at Texas State in November. If Wyoming gets left behind, it is time to accept reality. Our school size and profile is closer to Missouri Valley and Big Sky than any of the national contenders. PAC isn't even going to break into the upper league anyhow.

If it comes down to a MW with the closest school being Utah State and New Mexico and then a bunch of 4th, 5th 6th and lower tier Texas schools the hell with it. Those schools will always be below the haves programs in that state. I will take playing Montana, Montana State, E Washington, Weber State, Utah Tech, and Northern Colorado over that have not conference.

This is even before discussing the costs for non football programs.
 
Ugh, one of the aspects of college athletics was the regionality of it. Sorry the idea of adding a bunch of Texas schools just isn't worth the cost of trying to keep up with the Jones. I have zero interest in Wyoming at Texas State in November. If Wyoming gets left behind, it is time to accept reality. Our school size and profile is closer to Missouri Valley and Big Sky than any of the national contenders. PAC isn't even going to break into the upper league anyhow.

If it comes down to a MW with the closest school being Utah State and New Mexico and then a bunch of 4th, 5th 6th and lower tier Texas schools the hell with it. Those schools will always be below the haves programs in that state. I will take playing Montana, Montana State, E Washington, Weber State, Utah Tech, and Northern Colorado over that have not conference.

This is even before discussing the costs for non football programs.
To hell with it is right. There are fall whitetails to chase and I'd rather be in a tree stand thinking of the good ol' days than wasting time watching the University of Texas Two Step. This weekend, I opted for a cheese festival vs. the Wyoming game (don't even know if its broadcast).
 
Ugh, one of the aspects of college athletics was the regionality of it. Sorry the idea of adding a bunch of Texas schools just isn't worth the cost of trying to keep up with the Jones. I have zero interest in Wyoming at Texas State in November. If Wyoming gets left behind, it is time to accept reality. Our school size and profile is closer to Missouri Valley and Big Sky than any of the national contenders. PAC isn't even going to break into the upper league anyhow.

If it comes down to a MW with the closest school being Utah State and New Mexico and then a bunch of 4th, 5th 6th and lower tier Texas schools the hell with it. Those schools will always be below the haves programs in that state. I will take playing Montana, Montana State, E Washington, Weber State, Utah Tech, and Northern Colorado over that have not conference.

This is even before discussing the costs for non football programs.
You won’t have to worry about Texas State. There is about a zero percent chance they would accept an offer to leave the better Sun Belt to join the new MWC.

We will be lucky to land UTEP and NMSU from CUSA.
 
You won’t have to worry about Texas State. There is about a zero percent chance they would accept an offer to leave the better Sun Belt to join the new MWC.

We will be lucky to land UTEP and NMSU from CUSA.
You got me there. Here is the thing I would take the lateral move to the PAC. But a watered down MW with non-regional schools is very meh.

If we are competing to be the tallest midget in the room, my thoughts is do it in a regional conference in a level that is likely to be more stable.
 
If it could happen and we don't lose more, this is best we can hope for:

utep
nmsu
unm
af
wyo
usu
unlv
sjsu
hi

After that, if we lose teams, these as needed:
Sac State
Mt team(s)
Dakota(s)
Sam Houston

Whatever the ideal bball # is consider asking some bball/oly only schools:
gcu
st. mary's
irvine
?other options?

if you get st. mary's first, you might force the zags to the pac, but oh well. I doubt the bball only happens, but I'll bet we're looking at some form of the above for football. We could build a decent bball conference if the rebs stay.
 
If it could happen and we don't lose more, this is best we can hope for:

utep
nmsu
unm
af
wyo
usu
unlv
sjsu
hi

After that, if we lose teams, these as needed:
Sac State
Mt team(s)
Dakota(s)
Sam Houston

Whatever the ideal bball # is consider asking some bball/oly only schools:
gcu
st. mary's
irvine
?other options?

if you get st. mary's first, you might force the zags to the pac, but oh well. I doubt the bball only happens, but I'll bet we're looking at some form of the above for football. We could build a decent bball conference if the rebs stay.
Serious question is that really the best for fans? A conference like that in the FBS division trying to keep up with big guys NIL money. I see us losing ground and becoming less competitive. What is better from the fans perspective being in a regional fcs conference that we are set up for to be competitive and a top tier program or a bottom of the barrel FBS conference that will face monumental challenges to try and compete against the top dogs? All this in a time of likely reduced subsidizing from the state?

I don't know the answer but this week for the first time I am leaning towards the FCS option.
 
FCS is not an option. The university and BOT has stated they absolutely will not drop down. I’m not sure what the answer is. Put together a proposal that wows the PAC and pay to get in? That conference isn’t much more appealing with them likely adding South Florida, Tulane, Memphis, UTSA. For me, these nationwide conferences are dumb. It may be the best for TV eyeballs according to market size, but it most definitely affects attendance. CSU doesn’t even travel the 70 miles to Laramie, you think they’re taking fans to Memphis or San Antonio??

Whatever we do, I really think it’s just a bandaid until the P4 takes their money and power and split. The new PAC most certainly isn’t getting that invite. After they split, the best we can hope for is the G5 reorganizes back into regional based conferences. If our bandaid is the restructured MW, then so be it. I really think this is short lived for the G5.
 
I also don't believe we would be a top tier FCS program. Besides the fact that we lost to an FCS school this year, if we dropped down the fan support would reduce. We will lose some amount of more casual fans. Donations then decrease. We will have the lower scholarship limit of FCS so the team will have less depth to the extent that we have any depth right now. Our recruiting will definitely go down, I'm sure a number of the players that we get currently would choose other FBS schools rather than come to us in FCS. FCS has much less TV viewership, so recruits just simply won't know of us near as much because we'll be on TV less. Nothing will change about the remoteness of Laramie, size of the student body, etc.

So maybe the first year or two coming from FBS down to FCS we might be sitting better, But even that is questionable with the open transfer rules, we could certainly have every player transfer in the immediate year we changed. Even if they didn't I think after just a couple years we would find any initial advantage totally disappear and become a middling FCS school.
 
FCS is not an option. The university and BOT has stated they absolutely will not drop down. I’m not sure what the answer is. Put together a proposal that wows the PAC and pay to get in? That conference isn’t much more appealing with them likely adding South Florida, Tulane, Memphis, UTSA. For me, these nationwide conferences are dumb. It may be the best for TV eyeballs according to market size, but it most definitely affects attendance. CSU doesn’t even travel the 70 miles to Laramie, you think they’re taking fans to Memphis or San Antonio??

Whatever we do, I really think it’s just a bandaid until the P4 takes their money and power and split. The new PAC most certainly isn’t getting that invite. After they split, the best we can hope for is the G5 reorganizes back into regional based conferences. If our bandaid is the restructured MW, then so be it. I really think this is short lived for the G5.

Agree with all your second paragraph. I personally hope the split happens quickly, then at least maybe the remainder of the G5 who are not in the upper part of the split can reorganize hopefully much more regionally again and make college football much more enjoyable again.
 

My hunch is the leak was intended to put a little pressure on the aac schools. I'm also betting there isn't enough TV revenue to lure aac schools or they'd be signed on. If usu and unlv go to pac and AF bolts for aac, then I bet we lose 1 more. If the pac wants 9, it'll have to be 3 from mwc. It's a real possibility that this goes really bad. Unlv, usu, and unm to pac and af to the aac.

MWC better get to adding teams or this thing could go under. If only unlv and usu go, then not too big of deal. The rebs would be nice to keep but I assumed they'd be gone.
 

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