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OrediggerPoke said:
Performance is likely to be relatively to correlative to not just athletic budget but NIL payments to players.

As of now - We are over performing NIL as well. SDSU, Boise and UNLV NIL dwarfs ours. It appears we are closer to the bottom in NIL in the MWC.

Phil Knight announced that Oregon has no limit in NIL funding because he would like to buy a championship.
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I think Wyoming has historically overperformed it's budget...but over-performing NIL disparities might be much tougher.
 
307bball said:
I think there is some confusion about what is meant by being disappointed. If the metric is just as simple as "am I happy or unhappy with the program"...then I think a lot of people's answer during Bohl's tenure would be yes...if you just have to choose between those two options. That is different than being satisfied though. "Happy with the program" seems to mean winning home games, no scandals, and beating CSU a lot. Most fans seem "happy" with those outcomes while at the same time being disappointed that the top of the conference is always out of reach.

In general, I think it's really hard to do what Bohl did ... meaning that to only barely be .500 in conference for the last 8 years while still being successful at those metrics that keep fans happy is no small feat. IMO, if coach Turkey Club's program can't at least maintain the level of success that Bohl's program had, it only makes my argument stronger that winning (at something near the level of BSU) at the University of Wyoming is constrained by factors outside of the control of the man running the football program. the only way to disprove this is if coach BLT or some future coach actually pulls off a run of successful years vying for and winning conference titles. The pace at which Wyoming goes through coaches means that by 2050 we might have 4 to 6 more coaches that we have gone through.....I wish they would give guys two years (maybe 3) to win or appear in a title game. With that sort of policy, we at least get the most bites at the apple. You could make some version of that for the Athletic Director as well....
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Yeah. We're about where we should be. We beat AF every other year it seems but they still manage to finish ahead of us and we never Boise so that puts us at 3 just from our own division. Throw in SDSU and Fresno and we're already a 5th place team. Sub in some other teams every so often above SDSU etc.
 
Hopefully in the next round of realignment we get put in a conference with universities that, top to bottom, spend resources similar to us. It'd be nice to remove that variable; been an athletic department crutch for a long time.

Funny thing is every time they ask to pick the pocket of taxpayers for facilities, it's always to be competitive for mwc championships. Once funded and built, bring out the spending excuse train.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
Hopefully in the next round of realignment we get put in a conference with universities that, top to bottom, spend resources similar to us. It'd be nice to remove that variable; been an athletic department crutch for a long time.

Funny thing is every time they ask to pick the pocket of taxpayers for facilities, it's always to be competitive for mwc championships. Once funded and built, bring out the spending excuse train.
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raw financial resources are part of it...if you squint a bit, the MWC is not a completely out of whack conference relative to football budgets. The 10,000 lb gorilla in the MWC is BSU. Nobody is doing what they are doing. The resource that BSU has that nobody else in the conference has it it's brand. That was built over many years....goosing spending won't build that for Wyoming. Not that Wyoming has a bad brand...it's just that it's not as exciting/vibrant/whatever as BSU.

It's like there is a backwardness to the lower achieving MWC programs that money won't be able to turn around. Wyoming is not at the bottom of that list but we aren't sniffing the top by any stretch.
 
307bball said:
raw financial resources are part of it...if you squint a bit, the MWC is not a completely out of whack conference relative to football budgets. The 10,000 lb gorilla in the MWC is BSU. Nobody is doing what they are doing. The resource that BSU has that nobody else in the conference has it it's brand. That was built over many years....goosing spending won't build that for Wyoming. Not that Wyoming has a bad brand...it's just that it's not as exciting/vibrant/whatever as BSU.

It's like there is a backwardness to the lower achieving MWC programs that money won't be able to turn around. Wyoming is not at the bottom of that list but we aren't sniffing the top by any stretch.
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The resource Boise has is money. Boise is paying a running back with over $300,000 and a house for one year’s worth of work. That’s dumb money that hopefully Wyoming will never waste.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
The resource Boise has is money. Boise is paying a running back with over $300,000 and a house for one year’s worth of work. That’s dumb money that hopefully Wyoming will never waste.
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That is NIL right?....for now...that money is seperate from program spending as I understand it. When you look at football program budgets, NIL is not a part of that (I'm happy to be corrected here).

NIL has only been around for a couple of years...BSU has been dominant for much longer.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
I'm guessing fresno, usu, Hawaii, sjsu, and NV are way outstanding us?
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I think SJSU spends the least of anybody. The others spend within about 10% that we do (Including BSU I believe). The point being that raw program budget doesn't tell the whole story. You can hamstring yourself by spending nothing but if all you do is "keep up with the joneses" it does not get you to the success that BSU has enjoyed.

I enjoy looking at past athletic performance statistics since most every source agrees....when it comes to athletic budgets....you get some creative accounting.
 
No one is certain how NIL and realignment will change college sports. What is known is that things won't finally get settled for at least a few more years. Wyoming is largely powerless to influence how things will shake out. I only hope Wyoming and other smaller schools do not get completely buried in the process.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
So raw budget doesn't matter as much.
Those must have much more nil money then?
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Who has more NIL?...If you are talking about the MWC, I would think almost everybody has more available to them then WYO but at the lower end it's probably not enough to matter. Nobody is catching BSU in NIL.

In the raw athletic department budgets that I have seen, Wyoming is not at the top but also not at the bottom. Also, BSU has dominated the conference and does not outspend the conference...I still think it's something like their "brand" that nobody in the MWC can really compete with. In a weird way...money might be easier to get then to do what BSU has done in the last 20 years.
 
307bball said:
That is NIL right?....for now...that money is seperate from program spending as I understand it. When you look at football program budgets, NIL is not a part of that (I'm happy to be corrected here).

NIL has only been around for a couple of years...BSU has been dominant for much longer.
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This is NIL. This is a resource Boise has much greater than most of the MWC. One cannot ignore NIL funding when looking at a program’s means.
 
doreno5 said:
No one is certain how NIL and realignment will change college sports. What is known is that things won't finally get settled for at least a few more years. Wyoming is largely powerless to influence how things will shake out. I only hope Wyoming and other smaller schools do not get completely buried in the process.
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I hope Wyoming and like minded schools take their ball and go home and we can have a conference with like minded schools and get back to college athletics. I am fine being left behind. Let the ‘big boys’ participate in this professional model and schools like Boise can go ahead and join them.
 
OrediggerPoke said:
This is NIL. This is a resource Boise has much greater than most of the MWC. One cannot ignore NIL funding when looking at a program’s means.
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Agreed...it's a wierd space though. When you see program spending and Wyoming spends within 10 to 15 percent of BSU....it does not tell the whole story.

NIL, to me, is not really a resource for schools...you and others have pointed out that it is a resource specifically for players. It's just that as a player, depending on what school you go to, you have much more of that resource available to you.
 
307bball said:
Agreed...it's a wierd space though. When you see program spending and Wyoming spends within 10 to 15 percent of BSU....it does not tell the whole story.

NIL, to me, is not really a resource for schools...you and others have pointed out that it is a resource specifically for players. It's just that as a player, depending on what school you go to, you have much more of that resource available to you.
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It’s a resource to the schools’ particular athletic program even if the money doesn’t technically flow through the school. You get better players if you can pay more money.
 
usu, sjsu, hi, fresno, and nv must have more nil money?

Can you imagine if osu and wsu join? We'll be destined for no better than 8th.

Maybe fcs should be reconsidered?
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
usu, sjsu, hi, fresno, and nv must have more nil money?
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I don't know the answer to that question....My sense is that Fresno definitely does. I would assume the rest of them have more NIL "potential" just based on market size. I think some folks have already posted some of those rankings. Why just those programs?...Why not consider CSU?
 
Those programs have had some success in some years over the past few years in mbb or fb. I'm assuming they and suds outdo is in ad department spending and nil.

csu outspends most of the mwc so they must have 0 nil??

If there is a pac2/mwc merger, we better just jump to fcs. We won't stand a chance with 2 more teams that have bigger budgets and I'm sure more nil.
 
I think the little Boise that could brand has worn off. Since 2017 they haven't beaten as many bigger programs.
ragtimejoe1 said:
Those programs have had some success in some years over the past few years in mbb or fb. I'm assuming they and suds outdo is in ad department spending and nil.

csu outspends most of the mwc so they must have 0 nil??

If there is a pac2/mwc merger, we better just jump to fcs. We won't stand a chance with 2 more teams that have bigger budgets and I'm sure more nil.
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BLT coach is taking us to new heights
 
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