Wyoming vs Marshall Thread

[McPeachy]

I am very discouraged. I have always been worried about the poor recruiting, but hopeful that player development and quality game coaching would be able to overcome. That just isn't happening in the front court right now.

Always wondered about this. Are we going to be a "3 years rebuilding - to have that 1 good year" type of program?

Also wonder how long it will take, and how much constant / continual winning, to erase the Burman - Schroyer debacle that absolutely demolished our fan base.

 

[LanderPoke]

Can we agree it's time to break out Morris Marshall? I think it'll really help the rebounding problem.

 

[CowboyNV]

Can we agree it's time to break out Morris Marshall? I think it'll really help the rebounding problem.

He better figure something out. If he doesn't, we are going to get killed when we travel to SDSU on 12/30. The Aztecs could out rebound us by 30 or more.

 

[Cowduck]

Obviously I didn't get to watch this game, and maybe people with more basketball knowledge than me can chime in. But it seems like our rebounding problem is not the boxing out phase, it's the attack the ball phase. I've seen some Tom Izzo rebounding videos, and his mantra is "hit, find, and go." Hit your man when the shot goes up, find the ball, and then attack the ball. MSU teams know how to rebound. When I have watched our team, it looks like they're really hung up on maintaining their boxout assignment and don't actually go get the ball.

 

[calpoke25]

Adams finals stats according to Kevin were 37 points 10 rebounds 3 assists 1 block. He said he had 9 turnovers I thought also but not sure if maybe i heard him wrong. That is a lot of turnovers in one game for one person. Maybe he said 5 turnovers. Doesn't matter he can't do it all by himself. Good game Josh!

It was 9, but he obviously isn't getting any help.


Not being able to watch the game, it's hard to really say much about it, but I don't understand why James only got 20 minutes. He should start and play 30+ min. There is never any reason for Dalton to be in the game (if we get in foul trouble, play small) and I think you have to try Naughton once in a while when we are getting killed in the paint. Naughton isn't ready yet and you can tell, but you have to try something and at least with Naughton we are building for the future.


The story of this season is the missing sophomore class. Washington/Lieberman/Herndon/Gorski/Barnes/Dalton. You can't have a class that big with so little production. Stats tonight by class:

Seniors: 37 points, 10 reb, 3 assists in 38 minutes. 11-19 FG, 7-11 3 PT, 8-9 FT. (1 player)
Juniors: 18 points, 2 reb, 2 assists in 35 minutes. 5-15 FG, 3-9 3 PT, 5-5 FT. (1 player, Marshall didn't play)
Sophomores: 17 points, 16 reb, 7 assists, in 107 minutes. 6-14 FG, 2-9 3 PT, 3-5 FT (6 players)
Freshmen: 10 points, 0 reb, 1 assist in 20 minutes. 4-8 FG, 0-2 3 PT, 2-2 FT. (1 player, Naughton didn't play, 4 others redshirting)


JMac outscored the entire sophomore class. 6 players that combined to play over 105 minutes and produced so little. Of course, that really understates the negative impact the sophomore class had in this game, because the rebounding deficiency is primarily a product of our weak sophomore front court.

You can't be this far into your tenure and fail a complete class like that if you are trying to build through HS players like Shyatt is (I understand these guys didn't all sign at the same time, some are 3rd year guys with a redshirt and one is a JC transfer). If you go the Eustachy route, you can just boot everyone and bring in a fresh class of JC's and transfers but that hasn't been Shyatt's M.O.

I am very discouraged. I have always been worried about the poor recruiting, but hopeful that player development and quality game coaching would be able to overcome. That just isn't happening in the front court right now.

We've been missing your insight over here during bball season. Thanks for the fresh look, it really provides a new look on our problems.

 

[LanderPoke]

Obviously I didn't get to watch this game, and maybe people with more basketball knowledge than me can chime in. But it seems like our rebounding problem is not the boxing out phase, it's the attack the ball phase. I've seen some Tom Izzo rebounding videos, and his mantra is "hit, find, and go." Hit your man when the shot goes up, find the ball, and then attack the ball. MSU teams know how to rebound. When I have watched our team, it looks like they're really hung up on maintaining their boxout assignment and don't actually go get the ball.

I don't have a lot of basketball knowlege, but this is how I see it. Herndon get pushed under the hoop often. He gets a box out, but because of his weight and lack of strength he gets pushed out of the way like he's not even there. Case in point - the last two minutes of the Omaha game. Barnes just doesn't have a knack for it. Dalton is like Herndon, but worse. Naughton is better, but not overly athletic, coordinated or quick. I would call Mcmannamen a below average rebounder as well. Gorski and Lieberman are not good rebounders, either, but it doesn't matter much for them. James, Washington, Adams and from what I've seen Marshall are the best rebounders. They are all guards...

 

[Cowduck]

Obviously I didn't get to watch this game, and maybe people with more basketball knowledge than me can chime in. But it seems like our rebounding problem is not the boxing out phase, it's the attack the ball phase. I've seen some Tom Izzo rebounding videos, and his mantra is "hit, find, and go." Hit your man when the shot goes up, find the ball, and then attack the ball. MSU teams know how to rebound. When I have watched our team, it looks like they're really hung up on maintaining their boxout assignment and don't actually go get the ball.

I don't have a lot of basketball knowlege, but this is how I see it. Herndon get pushed under the hoop often. He gets a box out, but because of his weight and lack of strength he gets pushed out of the way like he's not even there. Case in point - the last two minutes of the Omaha game. Barnes just doesn't have a knack for it. Dalton is like Herndon, but worse. Naughton is better, but not overly athletic, coordinated or quick. I would call Mcmannamen a below average rebounder as well. Gorski and Lieberman are not good rebounders, either, but it doesn't matter much for them. James, Washington, Adams and from what I've seen Marshall are the best rebounders. They are all guards...

I guess what I'm saying is that the old school would basically teach you to basically turn and back into your man when the shot goes up and just hold him there and that having inside position was all that was necessary for good rebounding. Newer school is just hit your guy once (rather than hold the position) and then turn and go after the ball. This is a technique thing that can be improved, maybe?

 

[TSpoke]

One thing I noticed this year some is that we front the post a lot and this leads us to being out of position when the shot goes up. Essentially switching spots with the offensive guy and being boxed out.
We aren't going to be a great rebounding team this year, just the facts. We knew it before the season and I think the coaches knew it before the season. Doesn't do a whole lot of good to complain about it after every game. Its most likely not going to change this year.

 

[LanderPoke]

Obviously I didn't get to watch this game, and maybe people with more basketball knowledge than me can chime in. But it seems like our rebounding problem is not the boxing out phase, it's the attack the ball phase. I've seen some Tom Izzo rebounding videos, and his mantra is "hit, find, and go." Hit your man when the shot goes up, find the ball, and then attack the ball. MSU teams know how to rebound. When I have watched our team, it looks like they're really hung up on maintaining their boxout assignment and don't actually go get the ball.

I don't have a lot of basketball knowlege, but this is how I see it. Herndon get pushed under the hoop often. He gets a box out, but because of his weight and lack of strength he gets pushed out of the way like he's not even there. Case in point - the last two minutes of the Omaha game. Barnes just doesn't have a knack for it. Dalton is like Herndon, but worse. Naughton is better, but not overly athletic, coordinated or quick. I would call Mcmannamen a below average rebounder as well. Gorski and Lieberman are not good rebounders, either, but it doesn't matter much for them. James, Washington, Adams and from what I've seen Marshall are the best rebounders. They are all guards...

I guess what I'm saying is that the old school would basically teach you to basically turn and back into your man when the shot goes up and just hold him there and that having inside position was all that was necessary for good rebounding. Newer school is just hit your guy once (rather than hold the position) and then turn and go after the ball. This is a technique thing that can be improved, maybe?

I hear you. It's hard to attack the ball off a rebound when someone who out weighs you by 50 lbs has got their forearm in your ribs and is pushing you off your spot.

 

[seattlecowboy]

I can't get on Herndon too much from last night. Yeah he didn't score but he did have 6 rebounds 5 assists and 2 steals so he did help out in other ways even though his shot wasn't falling.

We are just too young and raw in the front court this year.

I knew we were going to have a tough game last night and I can tell you tonight's game will be tougher than last nights was. I don't expect us to win tonight. Then again if Wyoming did win it wouldn't surprise me because it seems this year when I think they will get beat they show up and win and when I think they will win they lose.

 

[TSpoke]

I can't get on Herndon too much from last night. Yeah he didn't score but he did have 6 rebounds 5 assists and 2 steals so he did help out in other ways even though his shot wasn't falling.

We are just too young and raw in the front court this year.

I knew we were going to have a tough game last night and I can tell you tonight's game will be tougher than last nights was. I don't expect us to win tonight. Then again if Wyoming did win it wouldn't surprise me because it seems this year when I think they will get beat they show up and win and when I think they will win they lose.

Yeah I was thinking Herndon played pretty well last night. Didn't know his stats but remember several big rebounds he made.

I have decided I can't have any expectations on wins. Like you said when I expect to win we don't but when I expect it to be a hard game and most likely lose we come out on top.