Wyoming Football Since 1999: A Breakdown

[Wyovanian]

Oh good! Your still here. I told you I'd get back with you and even explain something to a few others.

Now, Bohl has NO control of our schedule. And Burman has said he likes his layout for Two common opponents; one smaller or FCS opponent and a challenging opponent.
Because we have a layout like this you will see more struggle to win than Snyder and KSU had. I doubt Burman is going to take this road and start taking on only Bottom feeders to our schedule.
Snyder was able, and it still took him 5 years to turn a program around. So maybe we should at least give Bohl five or six years? Don't you think?

I do appreciate the sentiment and the research that went into your response. Trust me, I want to see Wyoming become Kansas State as much as you do. I just don't know that I see it happening. K-State's attachment to a major conference helped with its ascent (also, see Baylor circa 2011-present), but also the proximity of regional talent (whether it was high school or JuCo) was vital. Finally, Snyder turned things around in 1988 - a significantly different climate in college football than we're looking at right now. Again, the haves vs. the have-nots have only escalated immensely over the last 10 years. The two statistics - vs. teams with winning records and vs. teams in Big 5 conferences - illustrate just how massive that gap is between Wyoming and relevant college football.

I'm not calling for Bohl's head. Not in the slightest. I like Bohl. He takes accountability. He's sincere. He's hard working. I just am not certain he has what it takes to win in Laramie. I believe he absolutely deserves 5+ years to get something going - I think we cut ties with Glenn far too soon, and Glenn would've been back in a bowl in 2009. What I'm trying to illustrate is that you could conceivably pull Bear Bryant out of the crypt, bring him to the year 2015, and I'm not certain he would find a way to win with frequency in Laramie.

In all seriousness- what's your reason for being here? Are you trying to argue that we should drop football?

It's not that, man. I just don't know what to do. I'm speaking for a contingent of Wyoming fans who have steadily lost all interest in Wyoming football and are now beginning to lose all hope. All I'm doing is painting precisely what the last 16 seasons have indicated and asking whether we are really competing in FBS football. I don't know what the solution is. I want Wyoming to win a MWC title as badly as all of you guys do. The TCU loss in 2005 was absolutely crushing for me. I thought that was our time to turn the corner and become a program that competes a bit regionally.

But I'm just trying to look at this under a realistic lens and ask whether or not we're ever going to be consistently competitive in FBS.

The answer is no, we won't. But these guys will just keep whistling through the graveyard.

Right on cue! Folks, here he is- the Village Idiot!

 

[BringBackStutzriem]

Oh good! Your still here. I told you I'd get back with you and even explain something to a few others.

Now, Bohl has NO control of our schedule. And Burman has said he likes his layout for Two common opponents; one smaller or FCS opponent and a challenging opponent.
Because we have a layout like this you will see more struggle to win than Snyder and KSU had. I doubt Burman is going to take this road and start taking on only Bottom feeders to our schedule.
Snyder was able, and it still took him 5 years to turn a program around. So maybe we should at least give Bohl five or six years? Don't you think?

I do appreciate the sentiment and the research that went into your response. Trust me, I want to see Wyoming become Kansas State as much as you do. I just don't know that I see it happening. K-State's attachment to a major conference helped with its ascent (also, see Baylor circa 2011-present), but also the proximity of regional talent (whether it was high school or JuCo) was vital. Finally, Snyder turned things around in 1988 - a significantly different climate in college football than we're looking at right now. Again, the haves vs. the have-nots have only escalated immensely over the last 10 years. The two statistics - vs. teams with winning records and vs. teams in Big 5 conferences - illustrate just how massive that gap is between Wyoming and relevant college football.

I'm not calling for Bohl's head. Not in the slightest. I like Bohl. He takes accountability. He's sincere. He's hard working. I just am not certain he has what it takes to win in Laramie. I believe he absolutely deserves 5+ years to get something going - I think we cut ties with Glenn far too soon, and Glenn would've been back in a bowl in 2009. What I'm trying to illustrate is that you could conceivably pull Bear Bryant out of the crypt, bring him to the year 2015, and I'm not certain he would find a way to win with frequency in Laramie.

In all seriousness- what's your reason for being here? Are you trying to argue that we should drop football?

It's not that, man. I just don't know what to do. I'm speaking for a contingent of Wyoming fans who have steadily lost all interest in Wyoming football and are now beginning to lose all hope. All I'm doing is painting precisely what the last 16 seasons have indicated and asking whether we are really competing in FBS football. I don't know what the solution is. I want Wyoming to win a MWC title as badly as all of you guys do. The TCU loss in 2005 was absolutely crushing for me. I thought that was our time to turn the corner and become a program that competes a bit regionally.

But I'm just trying to look at this under a realistic lens and ask whether or not we're ever going to be consistently competitive in FBS.

For starters, how about keeping calm and not acting like a fifteen year-old girl? That'd be a good start right there.

This life, it takes place in a world of men...

What are you even talking about? You're telling me that getting completely pasted, season after season, constitutes living in a "world of men?" Yeah, that seems chock-full of masculinity.

Again, I'm reposting this here:

We've beaten a grand total of 10 non-FCS/I-AA teams with winning records since the year 2000 (and 14 since 1999, we won four of those that season). We have 61 total wins vs. non-FCS/I-AA teams since 1999. Subtract the '99 season, and you've got 55 wins total wins vs. D1/FBS schools in 15 seasons, plus the first three games of this year.

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

 

[Wyovanian]

Oh good! Your still here. I told you I'd get back with you and even explain something to a few others.

Now, Bohl has NO control of our schedule. And Burman has said he likes his layout for Two common opponents; one smaller or FCS opponent and a challenging opponent.
Because we have a layout like this you will see more struggle to win than Snyder and KSU had. I doubt Burman is going to take this road and start taking on only Bottom feeders to our schedule.
Snyder was able, and it still took him 5 years to turn a program around. So maybe we should at least give Bohl five or six years? Don't you think?

I do appreciate the sentiment and the research that went into your response. Trust me, I want to see Wyoming become Kansas State as much as you do. I just don't know that I see it happening. K-State's attachment to a major conference helped with its ascent (also, see Baylor circa 2011-present), but also the proximity of regional talent (whether it was high school or JuCo) was vital. Finally, Snyder turned things around in 1988 - a significantly different climate in college football than we're looking at right now. Again, the haves vs. the have-nots have only escalated immensely over the last 10 years. The two statistics - vs. teams with winning records and vs. teams in Big 5 conferences - illustrate just how massive that gap is between Wyoming and relevant college football.

I'm not calling for Bohl's head. Not in the slightest. I like Bohl. He takes accountability. He's sincere. He's hard working. I just am not certain he has what it takes to win in Laramie. I believe he absolutely deserves 5+ years to get something going - I think we cut ties with Glenn far too soon, and Glenn would've been back in a bowl in 2009. What I'm trying to illustrate is that you could conceivably pull Bear Bryant out of the crypt, bring him to the year 2015, and I'm not certain he would find a way to win with frequency in Laramie.

In all seriousness- what's your reason for being here? Are you trying to argue that we should drop football?

It's not that, man. I just don't know what to do. I'm speaking for a contingent of Wyoming fans who have steadily lost all interest in Wyoming football and are now beginning to lose all hope. All I'm doing is painting precisely what the last 16 seasons have indicated and asking whether we are really competing in FBS football. I don't know what the solution is. I want Wyoming to win a MWC title as badly as all of you guys do. The TCU loss in 2005 was absolutely crushing for me. I thought that was our time to turn the corner and become a program that competes a bit regionally.

But I'm just trying to look at this under a realistic lens and ask whether or not we're ever going to be consistently competitive in FBS.

For starters, how about keeping calm and not acting like a fifteen year-old girl? That'd be a good start right there.

This life, it takes place in a world of men...

What are you even talking about? You're telling me that getting completely pasted, season after season, constitutes living in a "world of men?" Yeah, that seems chock-full of masculinity.

Again, I'm reposting this here:

We've beaten a grand total of 10 non-FCS/I-AA teams with winning records since the year 2000 (and 14 since 1999, we won four of those that season). We have 61 total wins vs. non-FCS/I-AA teams since 1999. Subtract the '99 season, and you've got 55 wins total wins vs. D1/FBS schools in 15 seasons, plus the first three games of this year.

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

It happens. Ever heard of Indiana, Vanderbilt, Iowa State? When's the last time any of them sniffed a conference championship? Yet, strangely, no one's seriously advocating they move to the MW or AAC...

Ever hear of a team named the Baylor Bears? They were a program that WAC schools scheduled for the win...

It happens over 120 years of football, programs have bad stretches.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Ever hear of a team named the Baylor Bears? They were a program that WAC schools scheduled for the win...

It happens over 120 years of football, programs have bad stretches.

Great example! Won a total of 43 games over a 14-year period from 1996-2009 under 5 different head coaches, including consecutive 4-8 seasons under current coach Art Briles. They didn't rush to fire him, and they didn't campaign to move down a level.

 

[McPeachy]

Thread: TLDR

 

[SDPokeFan]

Oh good! Your still here. I told you I'd get back with you and even explain something to a few others.

Now, Bohl has NO control of our schedule. And Burman has said he likes his layout for Two common opponents; one smaller or FCS opponent and a challenging opponent.
Because we have a layout like this you will see more struggle to win than Snyder and KSU had. I doubt Burman is going to take this road and start taking on only Bottom feeders to our schedule.
Snyder was able, and it still took him 5 years to turn a program around. So maybe we should at least give Bohl five or six years? Don't you think?

I do appreciate the sentiment and the research that went into your response. Trust me, I want to see Wyoming become Kansas State as much as you do. I just don't know that I see it happening. K-State's attachment to a major conference helped with its ascent (also, see Baylor circa 2011-present), but also the proximity of regional talent (whether it was high school or JuCo) was vital. Finally, Snyder turned things around in 1988 - a significantly different climate in college football than we're looking at right now. Again, the haves vs. the have-nots have only escalated immensely over the last 10 years. The two statistics - vs. teams with winning records and vs. teams in Big 5 conferences - illustrate just how massive that gap is between Wyoming and relevant college football.

I'm not calling for Bohl's head. Not in the slightest. I like Bohl. He takes accountability. He's sincere. He's hard working. I just am not certain he has what it takes to win in Laramie. I believe he absolutely deserves 5+ years to get something going - I think we cut ties with Glenn far too soon, and Glenn would've been back in a bowl in 2009. What I'm trying to illustrate is that you could conceivably pull Bear Bryant out of the crypt, bring him to the year 2015, and I'm not certain he would find a way to win with frequency in Laramie.

In all seriousness- what's your reason for being here? Are you trying to argue that we should drop football?

It's not that, man. I just don't know what to do. I'm speaking for a contingent of Wyoming fans who have steadily lost all interest in Wyoming football and are now beginning to lose all hope. All I'm doing is painting precisely what the last 16 seasons have indicated and asking whether we are really competing in FBS football. I don't know what the solution is. I want Wyoming to win a MWC title as badly as all of you guys do. The TCU loss in 2005 was absolutely crushing for me. I thought that was our time to turn the corner and become a program that competes a bit regionally.

But I'm just trying to look at this under a realistic lens and ask whether or not we're ever going to be consistently competitive in FBS.

For starters, how about keeping calm and not acting like a fifteen year-old girl? That'd be a good start right there.

This life, it takes place in a world of men...

What are you even talking about? You're telling me that getting completely pasted, season after season, constitutes living in a "world of men?" Yeah, that seems chock-full of masculinity.

Again, I'm reposting this here:

We've beaten a grand total of 10 non-FCS/I-AA teams with winning records since the year 2000 (and 14 since 1999, we won four of those that season). We have 61 total wins vs. non-FCS/I-AA teams since 1999. Subtract the '99 season, and you've got 55 wins total wins vs. D1/FBS schools in 15 seasons, plus the first three games of this year.

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

Wyovanian keeps bring up men and 15-year-old girls. I think a visit from Chris Hansen might be in order.

 

[Wyovanian]

Oh good! Your still here. I told you I'd get back with you and even explain something to a few others.

Now, Bohl has NO control of our schedule. And Burman has said he likes his layout for Two common opponents; one smaller or FCS opponent and a challenging opponent.
Because we have a layout like this you will see more struggle to win than Snyder and KSU had. I doubt Burman is going to take this road and start taking on only Bottom feeders to our schedule.
Snyder was able, and it still took him 5 years to turn a program around. So maybe we should at least give Bohl five or six years? Don't you think?

I do appreciate the sentiment and the research that went into your response. Trust me, I want to see Wyoming become Kansas State as much as you do. I just don't know that I see it happening. K-State's attachment to a major conference helped with its ascent (also, see Baylor circa 2011-present), but also the proximity of regional talent (whether it was high school or JuCo) was vital. Finally, Snyder turned things around in 1988 - a significantly different climate in college football than we're looking at right now. Again, the haves vs. the have-nots have only escalated immensely over the last 10 years. The two statistics - vs. teams with winning records and vs. teams in Big 5 conferences - illustrate just how massive that gap is between Wyoming and relevant college football.

I'm not calling for Bohl's head. Not in the slightest. I like Bohl. He takes accountability. He's sincere. He's hard working. I just am not certain he has what it takes to win in Laramie. I believe he absolutely deserves 5+ years to get something going - I think we cut ties with Glenn far too soon, and Glenn would've been back in a bowl in 2009. What I'm trying to illustrate is that you could conceivably pull Bear Bryant out of the crypt, bring him to the year 2015, and I'm not certain he would find a way to win with frequency in Laramie.

In all seriousness- what's your reason for being here? Are you trying to argue that we should drop football?

It's not that, man. I just don't know what to do. I'm speaking for a contingent of Wyoming fans who have steadily lost all interest in Wyoming football and are now beginning to lose all hope. All I'm doing is painting precisely what the last 16 seasons have indicated and asking whether we are really competing in FBS football. I don't know what the solution is. I want Wyoming to win a MWC title as badly as all of you guys do. The TCU loss in 2005 was absolutely crushing for me. I thought that was our time to turn the corner and become a program that competes a bit regionally.

But I'm just trying to look at this under a realistic lens and ask whether or not we're ever going to be consistently competitive in FBS.

For starters, how about keeping calm and not acting like a fifteen year-old girl? That'd be a good start right there.

This life, it takes place in a world of men...

What are you even talking about? You're telling me that getting completely pasted, season after season, constitutes living in a "world of men?" Yeah, that seems chock-full of masculinity.

Again, I'm reposting this here:

We've beaten a grand total of 10 non-FCS/I-AA teams with winning records since the year 2000 (and 14 since 1999, we won four of those that season). We have 61 total wins vs. non-FCS/I-AA teams since 1999. Subtract the '99 season, and you've got 55 wins total wins vs. D1/FBS schools in 15 seasons, plus the first three games of this year.

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

Wyovanian keeps bring up men and 15-year-old girls. I think a visit from Chris Hansen might be in order.

...And how one doesn't belong with the other.

Hansen give you his number after your acquittal on the body cavity search technicality?

 

[cowboyz]

Sort of a compendium to my previous thread. Been putting this together the past week-or-so in spare time. It's a pretty bleak outlook, but numbers are numbers, folks. Trash me if you will - this is simply the reality of the situation.

Wyoming Football since 1999: A breakdown

Cumulative record: 73-120 (.378)
Record vs. teams that finished season with winning records (non-FCS): 14-73 (4 wins came in 1999 season)
Conference record: 38-83 (.314)
Wins over teams that finished the season ranked: 0
Losses by 30-or-more points: 29
Losses by 20-or-more points: 55
Bowl wins: 2
Bowl losses: 1
Winning seasons: 3 (2004, 2009, 2011)
Best finish in conference standings: 3rd (2011)
Seasons finishing in bottom-3 of conference standings: 9 (counting 2014)
Record vs. teams that currently play in Power-5 conferences (plus BYU/Boise State): 10-56 (.151)
Record vs. FCS/D-1AA: 12-2
Record vs. FBS/D-1: 61-118 (.341)

Best five wins:
#1: 23-3 vs. Virginia (9/1/2007) – Virginia finished 9-4, Wyoming held UVA to 97 yards total offense
#2: 24-21 vs. UCLA (12/23/2004) – First bowl win in 38 years; UCLA boasted several future NFL players, including Maurice Jones-Drew
#3: 31-17 vs. BYU (11/13/1999) – BYU had one loss, was ranked #12; finished season 8-4, unranked
#4: 31-15 vs. Utah (10/14/2006) – Utes finished season 8-5, Wyoming led 31-0 at one point in game
#5: 35-28 (2OT) vs. Fresno State (12/19/2009) – Bulldogs finished season 8-5, boasted future NFL star Ryan Matthews
Honorable mentions: 24-21 vs. TCU (2007), 13-7 at Tennessee (2008), 34-26 vs. Air Force (2002), 24-14 at Ole Miss (2005)

Worst five losses:
#1: 29-48 vs. Eastern Michigan (9/12/2015): Wyoming trailed 38-7 midway through second quarter vs. MAC bottom-dweller.
#2: 13-24 vs. North Dakota (9/5/2015): North Dakota won by 3 vs. non-scholarship Drake following weekend.
#3: 22-24 vs. Cal Poly (9/15/2012): Only 13,558 attended game in Laramie; that was 13,558 too many.
#4: 31-34 at New Mexico (11/6/2010): Lobos finished 1-11.
#5: 16-45 vs. Bowling Green (9/27/2008): Falcons finished 6-6.
Honorable mention: at Utah State (10/8/2011): 19-63, Utah State finished 7-6.

Best cumulative season:
2006 (four losses by a touchdown or fewer, easily could have been a 9-3 team with three-or-four different plays)

Closest major upset: 10-17 vs. Boise State (9/16/2006): Cowboys had final possession, chance to tie vs. eventual undefeated Fiesta Bowl champions.
Honorable mention #1: 34-41 vs. BYU (11/10/2001): Cowboys had undefeated, #9-ranked Cougars on the ropes in Laramie before late loss.
Honorable mention #2: 20-31 vs. TCU (11/5/2011): Wyoming contended late in game until Brett Smith was injured in fourth quarter; TCU finished 11-2.
Honorable mention #3: 31-34 at Nebraska (8/31/2013): Wyoming had final possession with chance to win; Nebraska finished 9-4, ranked #25.

Most damaging loss: 14-28 vs. TCU (10/8/05): Despite 8 turnovers (-6 margin), Wyoming (4-1 entering game) still had chances to win game; TCU finished 11-1, Wyoming finished 4-7.
Honorable mention: 3-20 vs. New Mexico (10/13/2007): Wyoming had 4-1 start to season, game was tied at 3 before 2-hour weather delay postponed; Cowboys lost all momentum in game and season, finished 5-7.

Not going to trash you for posting stats and records...but I don't see your point. If your point is that the Wyoming football is not as good as we'd all like, I don't think you'd get an argument. We play mostly an FBS schedule and since 1999 we've won close to 40% of our games. It's a tough place to recruit and in this time period we got caught with a couple one-dimensional coaches. Hopefully Bohl is a complete coach and hopefully he can get us better recruits and we can start challenging for the conference title and get to a few bowl games. The MWC is out of the national picture, as are most of the other "smaller" conferences. But it's still top level college football, and most of us like being a part of it. With the exception of Oklahoma, all of the top historical programs have had losing seasons since 1999, most of them multiple losing seasons (Alabama, Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Michigan, Nebraska) and while disappointed, they did their best to re-build and carry on. And while Oklahoma hasn't had a losing season since 1999, they barely finished above .500 for the entire 90's. But they've been doing okay lately. Hell, Washington is one of the top winning program over the years, yet they recently went through a 10 year period where they were 44-78, which is a worse winning percentage than what you're showing here for the Pokes. No one up there was suggesting dropping down. They bitched as we do, and are slowly righting the ship. I hope we are doing the same. Records are basic math. If someone is getting a win, then someone else is getting a loss. Unfortunately, we're one of the programs that have been getting more losses than wins. Overall, there are more losing programs than winning programs, whether you go back 10 years or to 1999 or to year one of college football. The past wasn't ideal, but it's been a fun ride, albeit filled with frustration. I look forward to carrying on, in the best conference that we can play in, against the best competition we can schedule. Winning is easy; schedule the worst teams you can and beat the crap out of them. Competition is hard; play your peers and those above you, and give it your best. Me, I prefer the competition.

 

[cowboyz]

Again, I'm reposting this here:

We've beaten a grand total of 10 non-FCS/I-AA teams with winning records since the year 2000 (and 14 since 1999, we won four of those that season). We have 61 total wins vs. non-FCS/I-AA teams since 1999. Subtract the '99 season, and you've got 55 wins total wins vs. D1/FBS schools in 15 seasons, plus the first three games of this year.

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.[/quote]

This would be a good example of us getting the crap beat out of us by 3 powerful and 1 very good team over this time period, proving that we're total shit. However they pretty much beat the crap out of everyone they played during this same period. We were one of the many. Were all of their opponents total shit? I don't think so. Combined they beat us in 87% of these games, but their combined winning percentage over this period was 76% and if you take out the games they played one-another, their winning percentage against everyone else would be 80%. There are plenty of teams trying to close a similar gap.

Hell, we've never lost to or we have winning records against Florida State, UCLA, Texas Tech, North Carolina State, Mississippi, Louisville and Iowa State. They have all seemed to close the gap. Maybe we'll get there again.