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Wyoming @ DU

ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
What a joke. One player score 4 points and we win. 1 OTHER PLAYER, 4 POINTS!!!! We are in trouble for conference play!
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We're f'd

Why can't we build any success in either revenue sport. If Shyatt wants to know why there are empty seats at the AA, he should put in this performance. Awful.
 
DU played well, at their own house. They are coached by Scott, who has given everyone fits everywhere he went.

Our shorter guards couldn't hold off their taller ones.

Our shooting guards were cold. They hardly even looked for a shot.

Adams didn't foul on DU's last hoop, a bad call, but that's the way it goes.

Of all this, only the guard size matchup is what we should worry about the rest of the season.
 
Lost Poke said:
DU played well, at their own house. They are coached by Scott, who has given everyone fits everywhere he went.

Our shorter guards couldn't hold off their taller ones.

Our shooting guards were cold. They hardly even looked for a shot.

Adams didn't foul on DU's last hoop, a bad call, but that's the way it goes.

Of all this, only the guard size matchup is what we should worry about the rest of the season.
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That's kind a major item though, no?

If we were dominated on the perimeter by the size and athleticism of a Summit League team, what will happen in MWC play? Actually we know the answer because we saw it last year.

Granberry and Hankerson were supposed to fix that problem, but it just hasn't worked out. There are no solutions in the recruiting pipeline either.
 
Lots of Debby Downers on this board...

DU had several spells where they couldn't miss. Our boys missed some shots they normally make. Sunbelt refs wouldn't have cared if DU even bothered to dribble and called fouls on Wyo when they knew there wasn't one.
We play through that and we win. But alas they didn't. I still think we beat SMU on friday. Though my brother in law is going and I think he is a jinx in big games lol
 
You need to tie your brother-in-law up so he can't go to the game. Anyhow, I was afraid this might happen with the timing of the game and playing a Scott coached team at their house. I sure don't like Scott, but he is a very good coach and gets everything out of his team that can be gotten.
 
Way too many downers around here, it's one game we shot 1-10 from land of 3 of course were going to lose when we can't make any 3's. On top of that Nance was the only person playing Basketball not sure what the other people were doing.

We have lost 3 games this season two of them because we couldn't make a 3 pointer to save our ass. Shit happens turn the page and let's move on dwelling on it and calling the season over is just idiocy.
 
I have been saying this all season, but we give up way too many 3 pointers.
It's ridiculous.

We have no perimeter defense. Someone always gets open to shoot a 3 on us.

Nance though, what a fucking game.
Everyone else...what the fuck?

There were a few calls at the end that didn't go our way, but that isn't why we lost.
We lost because we got outplayed, minus Nance.
Every time we made a little run, DU pulled ahead.
We could never take the lead, and had many chances to.

Can't believe they lost that.
I don't know how to feel about this team now.
DU isn't that good.
There are always people acting like they are some bad ass tough team, but they are truly the definition of mediocre.

Losing to DU in Denver isn't excusable. Losing to CU in Boulder and Ohio State in Columbus are.
DU though? Really Wyoming?
 
When even the Beav is down, you know it was a bad loss.

I am trying to figure out why I am so discouraged by one loss in a place we haven't won in more than a decade and I think it comes down to this:

1. The last time we won @DU was also the last time we played there in a season where we finished with a winning MWC record. I was hoping we were making progress as a program but I don't think we are any better than in Shyatts first season. Granted, that is well ahead of Schroyer but I just don't feel like the trajectory is upward at this point. Our OOC RPI is now around 95. Strictly CBI territory.

2. The problems are the same as last year in a way. We are still outmanned on the perimeter. I was hoping before the season that Hankerson and Granberry could step in and give us that needed size on the perimeter with shooting from Granberry and dribble penetration from Hankerson. Instead we are still reduced to three undersized guards and sometimes playing a 4th guard at the "4". We are undersized at every single position during large stretches of many games.

Basically I don't think our issues can be fixed in season. I am sure that everyone can play better and continue to improve and I feel like our guys do clearly work on their games. I think we just lack size and athleticism.
 
Granberry and Hankerson have been very unproductive.
We are at the point of the season where we can't just use "it's still early" as an excuse.
10 games in. That's 1/3 of the season.
If this was football, there is no way that after 4 games we are saying "it's still early".

Granberry and Hankerson have to step up quick.
And Washington might be a little over hyped.
He had so much hype coming out of high school, yet is nothing like Adams was as a freshman.

We need these guys to play at the level they were rumored to play at.
 
As for competing in the MWC regular season, I think we will around a .500 team.
We don't matchup like regular teams. Some games we will win just based off of athleticism, and some games we will lose because of depth and matchups.

As for the conference tourney, anything can happen. To me, that's the most unpredictable thing in college sports.
 
BeaverPoke said:
Granberry and Hankerson have been very unproductive.
We are at the point of the season where we can't just use "it's still early" as an excuse.
10 games in. That's 1/3 of the season.
If this was football, there is no way that after 4 games we are saying "it's still early".

Granberry and Hankerson have to step up quick.
And Washington might be a little over hyped.
He had so much hype coming out of high school, yet is nothing like Adams was as a freshman.

We need these guys to play at the level they were rumored to play at.
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Its like Granberry is afraid to shoot 3s, despite being the record holder for points at USF.

Hankerson is a slasher, has shown he can slash, but he rarely does so.
 
fromolwyoming said:
BeaverPoke said:
Granberry and Hankerson have been very unproductive.
We are at the point of the season where we can't just use "it's still early" as an excuse.
10 games in. That's 1/3 of the season.
If this was football, there is no way that after 4 games we are saying "it's still early".

Granberry and Hankerson have to step up quick.
And Washington might be a little over hyped.
He had so much hype coming out of high school, yet is nothing like Adams was as a freshman.

We need these guys to play at the level they were rumored to play at.
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Its like Granberry is afraid to shoot 3s, despite being the record holder for points at USF.

Hankerson is a slasher, has shown he can slash, but he rarely does so.
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Totally agree. I don't get what the hell is going on with those 2.
They aren't bad players by any means, but it's like...what the hell are you guys doing? Get in there and do what you do!
If you're open, take the shot. If there is someone you can take in a 1 on 1, do it! Blow by them, over-power them, seperate, cross-over, whatever! Just do what you do and score!
 
I personally think we learned something we have all been waiting to see and that is Nance to step outside of the Leonard Washington shadow which he has been in since he arrived. What he proved today was he can carry this team on his back but what I really want to see is more games where he has the 20+ point games and the rest of the team is actually contributing.

Are we better than we have been? Yes I believe we are but depth is going to hurt until the bench players can start being productive.

While this loss was a really bad loss in my opinion we're still fine.
 
I'm still not convinced with Nance. He busts out games like this, we say he's broke through and then he has a 6 point or 3 point game on a one field goal night! He needs to be getting no less than 10-12 shots a night. He's has five games below that number.
If he continues his current streak of three games at getting the ball to the rim and getting shots (8-11, 9-14, 15-21) then I will say he turned the corner. No more single digit fg attempts.
 
didn't listen but hear that we started out slow, and that's really what kept us from winning this one!!! Good Job Larry
 
Hankerson looked overwhelmed out there. In the few minutes he got he traveled twice and was ineffective on defense. Granberry needs to take those open 3 looks. There were a few times he was all by himself at the top of the key and passed it to someone that was well covered. They both need to settle down and become playmakers.
 
stymeman said:
didn't listen but hear that we started out slow, and that's really what kept us from winning this one!!! Good Job Larry
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No, that isn't why we lost.
DU also started slow.
It was like 2-0 for the first 4 minutes of the game.

Nance was the only player to show up, and that is it. That is why we lost.
 
kansasCowboy said:
I'm still not convinced with Nance. He busts out games like this, we say he's broke through and then he has a 6 point or 3 point game on a one field goal night! He needs to be getting no less than 10-12 shots a night. He's has five games below that number.
If he continues his current streak of three games at getting the ball to the rim and getting shots (8-11, 9-14, 15-21) then I will say he turned the corner. No more single digit fg attempts.
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The game after the OSU game he only had 3 points, but he didn't even need to score. 1 FG attempt because the guards were flying around the gym and draining 3s.

If we needed Nance to step up that game, he would have. We didn't need him to, so he didn't.
Hard to ignore his 11 boards and 4 assists though. It's not just about the points scored.
 
BeaverPoke said:
kansasCowboy said:
I'm still not convinced with Nance. He busts out games like this, we say he's broke through and then he has a 6 point or 3 point game on a one field goal night! He needs to be getting no less than 10-12 shots a night. He's has five games below that number.
If he continues his current streak of three games at getting the ball to the rim and getting shots (8-11, 9-14, 15-21) then I will say he turned the corner. No more single digit fg attempts.
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The game after the OSU game he only had 3 points, but he didn't even need to score. 1 FG attempt because the guards were flying around the gym and draining 3s.

If we needed Nance to step up that game, he would have. We didn't need him to, so he didn't.
Hard to ignore his 11 boards and 4 assists though. It's not just about the points scored.
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I agree with this. Starting with OSU, he has basically taken over whenever it appeared that the team needed it. When the game was uncomfortably close against BHSU, he had a span of possessions that was just fantastic IMO that basically ended the game. Against USD and DU, nobody was willing to step up so he put it on his shoulders.

It is early in the year, but he is averaging 15.8 and 9.3. We haven't had a big man approach that level of production since Uche.
 
I think DU is a better team than people are giving them credit for. They beat CSU @ Moby and are also drilling Belmont tonight.
 
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