WYO @ CSU

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

You add everything Nance does as a player to this game and we win it easily. But this is something the team is going to have to figure out how to get wins w/o Nance. No game left on the schedule is a gimmie we could easily lose all remaining games.

So Sobey gets a technical for the moronic CSU player that ran into him, Not that the call matters but it just shows have terrible the 2nd half officiating was not just that time but all over there were quite a few shitty calls.

No doubt we truly were facing 8 people on the court

 

[Cuttslam]

Teams are going to wear us down in the 2nd half with out Larry.
We can play tough, and be in it, but the box score definitely shows that Larry wasn't out on the court.

Cooke is solid, but he can't sustain it for all 40 minutes without Larry down there with him.

Cooke is solid? That must be some sort of sarcasm.

 

[wyocowboy2014]

Teams are going to wear us down in the 2nd half with out Larry.
We can play tough, and be in it, but the box score definitely shows that Larry wasn't out on the court.

Cooke is solid, but he can't sustain it for all 40 minutes without Larry down there with him.

Cooke is solid? That must be some sort of sarcasm.

Do we not know how to rebound with two hands? Or know that circus shots rarely go in

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Teams are going to wear us down in the 2nd half with out Larry.
We can play tough, and be in it, but the box score definitely shows that Larry wasn't out on the court.

Cooke is solid, but he can't sustain it for all 40 minutes without Larry down there with him.

Cooke is solid? That must be some sort of sarcasm.

Cooke is solid. in 20 minutes, avgs 5.5 rebounds, 1 block and shoots 66% from the floor. That'd be 11 rpg, 2 blks, and 11 ppg if he played a full game, what more would we want? Those are Uche numbers. But like Beav said, he can't sustain that and isn't the same without Larry.

 

[Adv8RU12]

OK, I've thought long and hard about this (at least 3 minutes). The Pokes are going to be challenged the rest of the way inside. What to do? Sellers? Maybe. But start with Adams. Post him up inside with Cooke on defense. I have not seen Sellers jump more that 5 inches off the floor, so he may be the secondary. Halderson should come in infrequently just to shoot 3's. Larry is going to have to really mix it up the rest of the way. The Pokes lost because they got tired out. Period.

 

[Wyo2dal]

We can all bitch and moan all we want, Blame the players blame the refs. We all know why we lost that game and we should be prepared to finish the conference road games with a loss because it could happen. I hope it doesn't and I have faith they can win at home but not on the road at all.

What I really hope is the players that haven't seen a lot of floor time all get solid playing time over the next 2 weeks I mean if we have less of a chance to do something get the guys with no play time as much time on the floor as possible.

BSU wins we are in a 3 way tie in the conference, UNLV wins and they take a 1 game lead and BSU ties us. Neither of the outcomes are what we want definitely a shitty spot to be in for the end of this year.

 

[Cuttslam]

Teams are going to wear us down in the 2nd half with out Larry.
We can play tough, and be in it, but the box score definitely shows that Larry wasn't out on the court.

Cooke is solid, but he can't sustain it for all 40 minutes without Larry down there with him.

Cooke is solid? That must be some sort of sarcasm.

Cooke is solid. in 20 minutes, avgs 5.5 rebounds, 1 block and shoots 66% from the floor. That'd be 11 rpg, 2 blks, and 11 ppg if he played a full game, what more would we want? Those are Uche numbers. But like Beav said, he can't sustain that and isn't the same without Larry.

Comparing Uche to Cooke is disrespectful

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Teams are going to wear us down in the 2nd half with out Larry.
We can play tough, and be in it, but the box score definitely shows that Larry wasn't out on the court.

Cooke is solid, but he can't sustain it for all 40 minutes without Larry down there with him.

Cooke is solid? That must be some sort of sarcasm.

Cooke is solid. in 20 minutes, avgs 5.5 rebounds, 1 block and shoots 66% from the floor. That'd be 11 rpg, 2 blks, and 11 ppg if he played a full game, what more would we want? Those are Uche numbers. But like Beav said, he can't sustain that and isn't the same without Larry.

Comparing Uche to Cooke is disrespectful

Apologies to Uche for noticing Cooke isn't nearly as bad as people think he is.

 

[laxwyo]

If Cooke could find the rim during a free throw, he'd av 12 pts or more. Tragic that he stinks so bad

 

[wyoav211933]

I think the honest to goodness truth is that we lost because we are incredibly weak at rebounding and because our most inefficient scorers are the ones taking the shots. I know we've never been decent at rebounding, but here is something to think about for this game. We actually shot roughly the same percentage from the field as CSU and actually quite a bit better from 3 in today's game. So why did we lose 15? Because CSU attempted 17 more shots than us. We honestly didn't commit than many more turnovers than them, but they got 11 more offensive rebounds then we did with the minimum potential of 22 more points. I don't think it's a matter of talent or even a matter of experience.

While probably not so much the difference in this game, another thing that I think we the team needs to address is offensive efficiency. Sobey and Adams have the worst offensive rating and effective FG percentage of any players on our team that gets significant playing time, and yet they combined for over half of all our shot attempts shooting a combined 36% while the rest of the team shot 65%. Now I understand that part of the issue is that we don't have a ton of guys who can get off their own shots, and truthfully Sobey actually didn't play all that bad today either, but I don't know why we don't run an offense that centers on giving Grabau (far and away the best shooter on the team), Cooke, or even Granberry easier looks. As long as our offense runs primarily through our most inefficient players we will continue to have frustrating games.

 

[Wyo2dal]

Teams are going to wear us down in the 2nd half with out Larry.
We can play tough, and be in it, but the box score definitely shows that Larry wasn't out on the court.

Cooke is solid, but he can't sustain it for all 40 minutes without Larry down there with him.

Cooke is solid? That must be some sort of sarcasm.

Cooke is solid. in 20 minutes, avgs 5.5 rebounds, 1 block and shoots 66% from the floor. That'd be 11 rpg, 2 blks, and 11 ppg if he played a full game, what more would we want? Those are Uche numbers. But like Beav said, he can't sustain that and isn't the same without Larry.

Comparing Uche to Cooke is disrespectful

No it's not, It's insulting that you are saying Cooke isn't solid because he is. He just needs another man down low to be more effective and without Larry it's not there. Uche was a great player and we're not talking about who is the better athlete. We're talking about MPG to production and they are very similar the difference is Uche played Nance MPG and Cooke plays almost 10 mins less a game.

 

[bladerunnr]

I knew we'd miss Nance on offense but we miss him even more on defense. Csewe took it inside again and again without any fear of getting their shots blocked. They never would have tried that with Nance there. That's where we will really struggle - interior defense and rebounding. I give Eustacy credit - he sent everyone to the offensive boards. They just dared us to fast break off a miss and we were able to take advantage of it a few times in the first half. But that speeds the game up - not something we want.

Regarding Cooke: I don't know how we can go to him inside. He's the worst foul shooter I've ever seen. His 1st 3 throws tonight weren't even close. If I were the other team, I'd foul him immediately.

Hankerson and Granberry have to do more. Grabau, Adams, and Sobey can only do so much. Washington just looks lost out there.

4 straight losses to csewe. That's very disappointing. This ram team isn't very good but they are every bit as athletic as we are without Nance. Time to make adjustments and try again. I know we can play better than this.

 

[SDPokeFan]

I think the honest to goodness truth is that we lost because we are incredibly weak at rebounding and because our most inefficient scorers are the ones taking the shots. I know we've never been decent at rebounding, but here is something to think about for this game. We actually shot roughly the same percentage from the field as CSU and actually quite a bit better from 3 in today's game. So why did we lose 15? Because CSU attempted 17 more shots than us. We honestly didn't commit than many more turnovers than them, but they got 11 more offensive rebounds then we did with the minimum potential of 22 more points. I don't think it's a matter of talent or even a matter of experience.

While probably not so much the difference in this game, another thing that I think we the team needs to address is offensive efficiency. Sobey and Adams have the worst offensive rating and effective FG percentage of any players on our team that gets significant playing time, and yet they combined for over half of all our shot attempts shooting a combined 36% while the rest of the team shot 65%. Now I understand that part of the issue is that we don't have a ton of guys who can get off their own shots, and truthfully Sobey actually didn't play all that bad today either, but I don't know why we don't run an offense that centers on giving Grabau (far and away the best shooter on the team), Cooke, or even Granberry easier looks. As long as our offense runs primarily through our most inefficient players we will continue to have frustrating games.

Going to Cooke is pointless. He can't shoot and if he gets fouled he is more likely to shatter that backboard with his free throw attempt than he is to make it. And Adams, while athletic, cannot and probably will never be able to shoot very well.

 

[Wyo2dal]

I think the honest to goodness truth is that we lost because we are incredibly weak at rebounding and because our most inefficient scorers are the ones taking the shots. I know we've never been decent at rebounding, but here is something to think about for this game. We actually shot roughly the same percentage from the field as CSU and actually quite a bit better from 3 in today's game. So why did we lose 15? Because CSU attempted 17 more shots than us. We honestly didn't commit than many more turnovers than them, but they got 11 more offensive rebounds then we did with the minimum potential of 22 more points. I don't think it's a matter of talent or even a matter of experience.

While probably not so much the difference in this game, another thing that I think we the team needs to address is offensive efficiency. Sobey and Adams have the worst offensive rating and effective FG percentage of any players on our team that gets significant playing time, and yet they combined for over half of all our shot attempts shooting a combined 36% while the rest of the team shot 65%. Now I understand that part of the issue is that we don't have a ton of guys who can get off their own shots, and truthfully Sobey actually didn't play all that bad today either, but I don't know why we don't run an offense that centers on giving Grabau (far and away the best shooter on the team), Cooke, or even Granberry easier looks. As long as our offense runs primarily through our most inefficient players we will continue to have frustrating games.

We also didn't limit possessions at all, We shot a lot of 5-8 seconds into the shit clock which is not how we play. We are going to lose every game if we don't control possessions.

 

[Wyo2dal]

I think the honest to goodness truth is that we lost because we are incredibly weak at rebounding and because our most inefficient scorers are the ones taking the shots. I know we've never been decent at rebounding, but here is something to think about for this game. We actually shot roughly the same percentage from the field as CSU and actually quite a bit better from 3 in today's game. So why did we lose 15? Because CSU attempted 17 more shots than us. We honestly didn't commit than many more turnovers than them, but they got 11 more offensive rebounds then we did with the minimum potential of 22 more points. I don't think it's a matter of talent or even a matter of experience.

While probably not so much the difference in this game, another thing that I think we the team needs to address is offensive efficiency. Sobey and Adams have the worst offensive rating and effective FG percentage of any players on our team that gets significant playing time, and yet they combined for over half of all our shot attempts shooting a combined 36% while the rest of the team shot 65%. Now I understand that part of the issue is that we don't have a ton of guys who can get off their own shots, and truthfully Sobey actually didn't play all that bad today either, but I don't know why we don't run an offense that centers on giving Grabau (far and away the best shooter on the team), Cooke, or even Granberry easier looks. As long as our offense runs primarily through our most inefficient players we will continue to have frustrating games.

Going to Cooke is pointless. He can't shoot and if he gets fouled he is more likely to shatter that backboard with his free throw attempt than he is to make it. And Adams, while athletic, cannot and probably will never be able to shoot very well.

What Adams needs to work on is shooting flat footed, His jump shot is pretty when it goes in but jumping every shot will wear on your legs and at the end of the game when we need his best he can't deliver because he is dog tired.

If he could shoot w/o jumping he would strengthen his game by leaps and bounds imo. I still have faith the team can make post tounry but it could be CBI again where we all had thoughts of NIT and aspirations of NCAA 2 weeks ago.

 

[kdwrightuwyo]

Adams needs to square up on his jump shots. He jumps and shoots off balance a lot...and those tend to be misses more often than not. When he does square up, he's pretty good. He does this because he is rushing his shot...slow it down half a second and he's money.

I would love to see Cooke shoot one three ball. He's always wide open at the top of the key with the other team playing 5-6 feet off him. If he got it anywhere near the hoop, the other teams would have to respect him a little more (which is why Nance will shoot the three ball occasionally), which would open up underneath for Granberry or even Sobey for an easier drive down low.

 

[Cuttslam]

Its going to be a tough road ahead with a starting lineup of 6 2, 6 2, 6 3, 6 4, 6 9 hell my high school team was this tall.

 

[CowboyNV]

Its going to be a tough road ahead with a starting lineup of 6 2, 6 2, 6 3, 6 4, 6 9 hell my high school team was this tall.

And therein lies the rub. At this stage of the game, I don't hold out much hope for the rest of the season. While Sellers and Halderson might not be the options we would like in the paint, I would at least take advantage of the next two weeks and give both of them some quality minutes. Who knows, they just might shock us (probably not, but hey, it could happen). All we are doing now is wearing down the six kids that are shouldering the bulk of the load. I don't see us beating too many teams with a gassed team (we saw how well the lack of depth worked last year). And if Sellars isn't going to see time the rest of this season, why are we going to keep him on scholarship to warm the bench next year? I know that sounds cruel, but if he can't play now, how the heck is he going to find playing time next year? Anyway, I'm just rambling. Another promising season up in smoke. Oh well, there's always next year.

 

[laxwyo]

Time to play the kids and get them experience

 

[johnywyo]

Thin and weak, on top of that exposed. Essentially the set up Larry and his assistants have left us in after both Nance and Shyatt were exposed when Nance jr goes down. Lose your best player in a decade when the Mexican dick from Fresno is central to the injury, it's officially over. Shyatt has not done the job of orchestrating the pieces necessary to recover at this juncture. Thin on talent and weak on the bench. Don't get me wrong we have good kids, and a solid staff. But this is on Shyatt senior for his lack of an inside presence and rangy pressure from the top of the key to help with rebounding and shoring up a perimeter D that could step in and make up for the loss of our best player. Nitpicking on Cooke or Sellars or any of these guys at this juncture is ridiculous, we simply lack the horses to finish this season near the top, and potentially win the tournament- which probably was not happening with LJN. Shyatt has to get real and get some studs in here, this was bound to happen with our history and lack of luck in the near term. Time to get on the wire, and find some talent. Man it sucks losing to the Sheep, again.