Williams

[PotatoCreekPete]

Word on the other board is that Williams is not returning next year. I cannot verify.

It has been confirmed that Tyrell Williams will not be back next year. It was mentioned that he was not with the team very much as the season went along so he could work on his grades, and from what I understand it was his grades that will not have him back next year. I wish him all the best in his future.

There are a number of rumors, but Coach Shyatt in an interview said that there would be 5 maybe 6, or 7 new players on the team next year. So with Williams not coming back, that makes it 6. But I also understand that acouple of players need to work on their academics, they got behind somewhat due to the schedule of being away.

I know that the coaches are looking at some JC big men, hopefully we can land a good one or two.

With Williams gone it would be great if they could get a %th year senior big man to come in and play right away and help even out the classes but those are probably not gonna be easy to find.

As far as the 7th new player he could very well be talking about a walk-on. We have always had one or two walkons on our team and we are losing both that we had this year so time to pick up another one. At least I hope we don't lose anyone else.

Is McManamen a schollie player? Or is he covered by Hathaway?

I remember when he signed a scholarship with Wyoming, and I haven't heard that has changed, so I would imagine that he is a scholly.

 

[MattyWYO]

Williams was likely to see minutes as the 3rd big off the bench. If he is, in fact, gone we'll need a JC big to replace him in the worst way.

Does anyone have a link confirming that Williams is out?

 

[BeaverPoke]

Williams was likely to see minutes as the 3rd big off the bench. If he is, in fact, gone we'll need a JC big to replace him in the worst way.

Does anyone have a link confirming that Williams is out?

If he is gone, I hope we get an eligible-transfer senior player to fill the spot. That way we have more experience on the team. Then we go from 1 senior to 2. Then on top of that, of the incoming true freshmen, if we redshirt 1 of them, then he becomes a RS-freshman the year Josh and this new senior would leave. Making that class go from 1 to 2 to 3. And just like the classes are a bit more balanced.

But, that is asking quite a bit I guess. If Williams is definitely gone, then I hope we do get a transfer big.

 

[NowherePoke]

Williams was likely to see minutes as the 3rd big off the bench. If he is, in fact, gone we'll need a JC big to replace him in the worst way.

Does anyone have a link confirming that Williams is out?

If he is gone, I hope we get an eligible-transfer senior player to fill the spot. That way we have more experience on the team. Then we go from 1 senior to 2. Then on top of that, of the incoming true freshmen, if we redshirt 1 of them, then he becomes a RS-freshman the year Josh and this new senior would leave. Making that class go from 1 to 2 to 3. And just like the classes are a bit more balanced.

But, that is asking quite a bit I guess. If Williams is definitely gone, then I hope we do get a transfer big.

Yeah, the only problem is that 5th year transfer big men are worth their weight in gold (and those are some big guys).

Look at Mike Thorne, Jr. from Charlotte. Last year as a Junior on a medicore CUSA team (7-11 CUSA, 14-18 overall) he averaged 10 ppg, 7 rpg. Not that impressive right. So, he is graduating and is eligible immediately next year. Who do you think is recruiting him? Everybody. He is being recruited by Pitt, Missouri, and Kansas among others including a recent personal visit from Bill Self.

Long story short, the only 5th year transfer bigs we would have a shot at would either be damaged goods (someone like Uchebo or something) or someone with very modest accomplishments. I am thinking we will see a JC big, but I could be wrong.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Williams was likely to see minutes as the 3rd big off the bench. If he is, in fact, gone we'll need a JC big to replace him in the worst way.

Does anyone have a link confirming that Williams is out?

If he is gone, I hope we get an eligible-transfer senior player to fill the spot. That way we have more experience on the team. Then we go from 1 senior to 2. Then on top of that, of the incoming true freshmen, if we redshirt 1 of them, then he becomes a RS-freshman the year Josh and this new senior would leave. Making that class go from 1 to 2 to 3. And just like the classes are a bit more balanced.

But, that is asking quite a bit I guess. If Williams is definitely gone, then I hope we do get a transfer big.

Yeah, the only problem is that 5th year transfer big men are worth their weight in gold (and those are some big guys).

Look at Mike Thorne, Jr. from Charlotte. Last year as a Junior on a medicore CUSA team (7-11 CUSA, 14-18 overall) he averaged 10 ppg, 7 rpg. Not that impressive right. So, he is graduating and is eligible immediately next year. Who do you think is recruiting him? Everybody. He is being recruited by Pitt, Missouri, and Kansas among others including a recent personal visit from Bill Self.

Long story short, the only 5th year transfer bigs we would have a shot at would either be damaged goods (someone like Uchebo or something) or someone with very modest accomplishments. I am thinking we will see a JC big, but I could be wrong.

Holy shit, I did not know they would be that sought after.
I guess finding big men in hoops is like finding big linemen in football. Everyone always wants a bigger and better one, and that includes the top programs.

 

[joshvanklomp]

From Gagliardi chat:

I ran into Scott Duncan in the basketball offices on Monday. He said there has been no decision on Williams as of yet in terms of him leaving, but it all leans toward that.

I do know UW is after the stud big man at Northwest College in Powell. Supposed to be one of the better big men in JUCO hoops. UW is late getting on him, but my sources tell me they have a chance.

 

[seattlecowboy]

From Gagliardi chat:

I ran into Scott Duncan in the basketball offices on Monday. He said there has been no decision on Williams as of yet in terms of him leaving, but it all leans toward that.

I do know UW is after the stud big man at Northwest College in Powell. Supposed to be one of the better big men in JUCO hoops. UW is late getting on him, but my sources tell me they have a chance.

if they were able to pull this off and get Boucher it would be the biggest coup possible this late. He is one of the top 2 Big men in JUCO in the country. Listed as one of the top 5 to 7 players in JUCO overall as well by multiple sources.

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=JuniorCollege



Not sure how to input peoples twitter on here but link below shows Chris Boucher was selected as the JUCO national College Payer of the year.

https://twitter.com/JucoRecruiting?...tw_p=embeddedtimeline&tw_w=542016668978118656

 

[LanderPoke]

That would be huge if we could get Boucher! Boucher, come to Wyoming!

 

[fromolwyoming]

On the skinny side, but that can be fixed.

 

[seattlecowboy]

On the skinny side, but that can be fixed.

That doesn't really matter with him. He is very athletic and there is a reason he is National Player of the Year.

He averaged 22.5 PPG. 11.8 Rebounds 0.9 assists, 4.67 blocks per game, shoots 58% field goal percentage. 44% from 3 land , 75% Free throws, .... so in other words he does it all.

This would be Shyatt's best recruit so far if he picks him up. Not saying he would end up being as good as Nance for sure but he could be. Would have to see how he translates what he has done in Juco to MWC. Just saying that from the get go looking at him he would be the best recruit , who knows how he will end up but knowing how Shyatt develops players I would think he would end up being a great player.

I hope Shyatt can land him. That would change my perception of next year big time.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I want this guy on Wyo!

Best case scenario is we get him, the two JuCo guys (him and Marshall) compete their asses off and earn starting spots.

Go from losing 4 starters to having a 3 year starter, and two 2 year JuCo starters. Adding immediate experience to the lineup.

I wouldn't mind seeing a lineup of:
G-Adams
G-Marshall
F-McManamen
F-Herndon
C-Boucher

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Imagine a team with Chris Boucher, Alan Herndon, and Justin James. Talk about length and athleticism: that would give us a couple of stretch fours. We would be a nightmare to match up against.

Chris Boucher come on down. You're the next contestant on the price is: win, win, win and cut down nets. Hang some banners in Laramie and take us to our first elite eight in years.

Seriously though, this would be huge.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

I want this guy on Wyo!

Best case scenario is we get him, the two JuCo guys (him and Marshall) compete their asses off and earn starting spots.

Go from losing 4 starters to having a 3 year starter, and two 2 year JuCo starters. Adding immediate experience to the lineup.

I wouldn't mind seeing a lineup of:
G-Adams
G-Marshall
F-McManamen
F-Herndon
C-Boucher

McManamen will not be a starter. He is a role player at best. Gorski or James are better options as starters.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I want this guy on Wyo!

Best case scenario is we get him, the two JuCo guys (him and Marshall) compete their asses off and earn starting spots.

Go from losing 4 starters to having a 3 year starter, and two 2 year JuCo starters. Adding immediate experience to the lineup.

I wouldn't mind seeing a lineup of:
G-Adams
G-Marshall
F-McManamen
F-Herndon
C-Boucher

McManamen will not be a starter. He is a role player at best. Gorski or James are better options as starters.

I agree. Not because McManimal isn't talented enough but because he has stated he prefers first off the bench. He relishes the 6th man kind of role and energy

 

[BeaverPoke]

I want this guy on Wyo!

Best case scenario is we get him, the two JuCo guys (him and Marshall) compete their asses off and earn starting spots.

Go from losing 4 starters to having a 3 year starter, and two 2 year JuCo starters. Adding immediate experience to the lineup.

I wouldn't mind seeing a lineup of:
G-Adams
G-Marshall
F-McManamen
F-Herndon
C-Boucher

McManamen will not be a starter. He is a role player at best. Gorski or James are better options as starters.

Based on what?

Aka Gorski hasn't done shit for Wyoming.
James is in HIGH SCHOOL.

McManamen?
He hustles on the floor in Fort Collins and gets loose balls. He hits game sealing 3's on the road and in the MWC Tourney.

In what world as of NOW, do Aka Gorski or JAmes start over McManamen?

Adams is the only player to start as a true freshman at Wyo under Shyatt Part 2.

Now, I'm not saying over summer time that Aka Gorski or James doesn't prove to be legit, but with 4 starting spots available, and McManamen being a wing who could play the role of a SG or SF or a small PF (Shyatt started him at PF a couple times this season), McManamen has got to be a front runner to start.

Look at it this way... Trey Washington has the ability to start at 2 of the 4 positions. Barnes has the ability to start at 2 of the 4 positions. McManamen is eligible for 4 spots.

He isn't getting passed up by 4 people off the bench.

 

[calpoke25]

McMannamen is a nice role player but he's not presently a MW starting wing on a championship aspiring program. Maybe he makes another leap this offseason which would be very welcome. He made the jump from Torrington high school to MW contributer and that's a pretty damn big jump but I wonder if he's reached his ceiling. We'll see what the offseason brings. He made some nice hustle plays and hit some clutch shots, but he was also often out of place on defense often and frequently abused on the defensive end if you watch him off ball. I also don't know if he can create his shot enough against MW level defenders. Once conference play started he was basically a spot up shooter. It'd be nice to see him make another big leap.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

McMannamen is a nice role player but he's not presently a MW starting wing on a championship aspiring program. Maybe he makes another leap this offseason which would be very welcome. He made the jump from Torrington high school to MW contributer and that's a pretty damn big jump but I wonder if he's reached his ceiling. We'll see what the offseason brings. He made some nice hustle plays and hit some clutch shots, but he was also often out of place on defense often and frequently abused on the defensive end if you watch him off ball. I also don't know if he can create his shot enough against MW level defenders. Once conference play started he was basically a spot up shooter. It'd be nice to see him make another big leap.

Does he need to be anything other than a spot up, sharp shooter? I think we have the athletes coming in that can create and move the ball and hit him wide open. This off season I would rather him shoot a million three balls than to work on his driving and finishing. I think his role as the corner sniper really suits him because he is rather unassuming and ca hurt the opponents when they sag on help D. I view him as a updated Bradley Mann. Bradley Mann was not athletically gifted or explosive but could hit his shots and really provided a lift off the bench. Thats where I see McManimals role. :two cents:

I guess a different way to view it, if we have to rely on Jason Mac for slash and finish, were going to be in trouble. I don't think its his game. And I am ok with that. I love that kid and the way he plays. He needs to just play within himself.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

I want this guy on Wyo!

Best case scenario is we get him, the two JuCo guys (him and Marshall) compete their asses off and earn starting spots.

Go from losing 4 starters to having a 3 year starter, and two 2 year JuCo starters. Adding immediate experience to the lineup.

I wouldn't mind seeing a lineup of:
G-Adams
G-Marshall
F-McManamen
F-Herndon
C-Boucher

McManamen will not be a starter. He is a role player at best. Gorski or James are better options as starters.

Based on what?

Aka Gorski hasn't done shit for Wyoming.
James is in HIGH SCHOOL.

McManamen?
He hustles on the floor in Fort Collins and gets loose balls. He hits game sealing 3's on the road and in the MWC Tourney.

In what world as of NOW, do Aka Gorski or JAmes start over McManamen?

Adams is the only player to start as a true freshman at Wyo under Shyatt Part 2.

Now, I'm not saying over summer time that Aka Gorski or James doesn't prove to be legit, but with 4 starting spots available, and McManamen being a wing who could play the role of a SG or SF or a small PF (Shyatt started him at PF a couple times this season), McManamen has got to be a front runner to start.

Look at it this way... Trey Washington has the ability to start at 2 of the 4 positions. Barnes has the ability to start at 2 of the 4 positions. McManamen is eligible for 4 spots.

He isn't getting passed up by 4 people off the bench.

McManamen is good off the bench to eat up some minutes. Right now he cannot be enough of a threat offensively, does not own a consistent jumper nor can he create his own shot. Role player, and yes right now he will be passed up by others in the program. Hoping he makes tremendous improvements but I think he is limited by athletic ability. He has not shown any consistency of being a starter other than the occasional hustle play or a timely 3 pointer. We will need much more out our wings next season.

 

[calpoke25]

Does he need to be anything other than a spot up, sharp shooter? I think we have the athletes coming in that can create and move the ball and hit him wide open. This off season I would rather him shoot a million three balls than to work on his driving and finishing. I think his role as the corner sniper really suits him because he is rather unassuming and ca hurt the opponents when they sag on help D. I view him as a updated Bradley Mann. Bradley Mann was not athletically gifted or explosive but could hit his shots and really provided a lift off the bench. Thats where I see McManimals role. :two cents:

I guess a different way to view it, if we have to rely on Jason Mac for slash and finish, were going to be in trouble. I don't think its his game. And I am ok with that. I love that kid and the way he plays. He needs to just play within himself.

Well I think you're saying essentially the same thing. Key words in your response "off the bench." I don't see him being a 30+ minutes a game starter. His FG percentage dipped from 49% in OOC to 36% in conference. His 3 point % went from 38% OOC to 29% in conference. I don't have Bradley Manns numbers handy but I think he was probably somewhere in the neighborhood of a 40+% 3 point shooter. If Jason can do that that's be great but his numbers right now show someone who may struggle to score consistently against MW defenses.

 

[seattlecowboy]

More Chris Boucher love ...

http://www.njcaa.org/newsArticle.cfm?articleId=24209