I would say combo of the loss, the weber state game, the AF departure, and just basic disgust at the direction of major college football. Your right, probably a knee jerk rxn. and as others said it doesn't seem economically viable to drop down. I will say I'm open to the idea though, and that is something 5,10,15 years ago i would be 100% against. Also giving up 63 to Utah state is more than a devastating loss to me.calpoke25 said:
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Why wyoming should go D1 AA
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Wyoming actually did a study on this and the loss of $$ to the program was tremendous and it would be death to the Basketball programs. I will see if I can find it but it is not a pretty scenario.
Neither Montana or Montana state will move up. They simply do not have the money to do it and are flat broke. Montana as a state has way to many 4 year colleges all supporting football. There is not the cash to pull it of from the state. Idaho will be dropping down shortly and they will be happy to have them back.
IN the Big Sky we never would have gotten a sniff of a coach like Shyatt for BB
Neither Montana or Montana state will move up. They simply do not have the money to do it and are flat broke. Montana as a state has way to many 4 year colleges all supporting football. There is not the cash to pull it of from the state. Idaho will be dropping down shortly and they will be happy to have them back.
IN the Big Sky we never would have gotten a sniff of a coach like Shyatt for BB
Here is the Study and it shows how catastrophic it would be for Wyo to drop a division
http://www.uwyo.edu/accreditation/_files/docs/03_Athletics_div_1A_response.pdf
Wyo would see a net loss of approximately 1.6 million dollars in football alone and more in the other sports especially basketball. let alone the huge image dent.
Dumb dumb dumb idea
http://www.uwyo.edu/accreditation/_files/docs/03_Athletics_div_1A_response.pdf
Wyo would see a net loss of approximately 1.6 million dollars in football alone and more in the other sports especially basketball. let alone the huge image dent.
Dumb dumb dumb idea
Here's the article staying how much money UW athletics would lose if they moved to FCS. Pretty substantial.
http://www.uwyo.edu/accreditation/_files/docs/03_Athletics_div_1A_response.pdf
http://www.uwyo.edu/accreditation/_files/docs/03_Athletics_div_1A_response.pdf
haha.. whoops. Good find, Billings. 
I would reread that article. A lot of what they say, and alot of that money is based off performances, and games against teams that are not in/ currently leaving the conference. In fact the first point is wyoming should stay D1 to keep the rivals byu, utah, air force, and csu. They also count money won for BCS bowl games from tcu and Utah which we will not get in the future. A big chunk of money comes from the tv contract with the mountain. That being said who here thinks that contract will be as lucrative after it expires, now that the best teams in the conference are gone. Finally the argument could be made that it would be easier for wyoming to reach the NCAA tourney playing in the big sky, I think it would be.billings said:
Asmodeanreborn
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If Wyoming goes D1 AA, I'll quit caring about them. I don't cheer for quitters (and that IS quitting, no matter how you try to put it), and I hate basketball anyway.
bladerunnr
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calpoke25 said:
Danmully, I agree with some of your points. Our last truly good win was 4 years ago when we beat TCU at home. DC has not had a quality win, imo. Even the bowl win was against a very mediocre fresno team. We've suffered way too many blowouts. Losing to New Mexico and getting blown out by Vegas last year were real kicks in the groin.
We were physically over powered last night. They drove our d-line 5 yards off the ball on every play. Our linebackers and secondary are woefully slow. No defensive scheme can make up for these kind of deficiencies.
On the other hand, I disagree about dropping down to FCS. Interest in the program would deteriorate to a very low level, imo. I think if we get to that point, then trying to compete as a d1 bb program would be problematic. Alumni donations might plummet right along with t.v. money.
I'm tired of being embarrassed just as much as anyone. I also question if we can compete at this level. The current coach has not convinced me he is up to the task. If we have another season like last year, then he has to go. Extending Glen and keeping Vic around for 3 years proved disastrous. This coach should at least show signs that the program is heading the right direction. Wins against Weber st. and Northsouth Texas st. mean nothing. Calpoke, this is not just about last night. Too many blowouts against mediocre teams. Utah st. is no juggernaut. They only scored 21 at home in regulation against csewe. Allowing 7 tds in the first 1/2 is unacceptable. Either the players are not d1 caliber or they are not being prepared. Either way, it's on DC.
I think it is unfair to say dropping to D1AA is quiting (not saying we should, I don't believe we should), I would say many of those teams have comparable if not better game day experiences when compared with Wyoming. It is not really giving up if other the other schools in D1 football cheat and give up on tradtions. The BCS system if fucked there is no denying that, and I wouldn't mind not dealing with their bullshit.
There is no honor left in D1 football and I think D1AA may be a purer form of college football. I wish we had the leadership that could get the state to push over a little more money. I wish we would sell beer (would be a huge revenue boost) and then we could maybe buy ourselves some post season births. Auburn proved to me the importance of cheating. Wyoming should take some money and pay for a Cam Newton, that is the way the sport is going. Again, I understand why people would look at dropping down and if money wasn't an issue we probably would.
There is no honor left in D1 football and I think D1AA may be a purer form of college football. I wish we had the leadership that could get the state to push over a little more money. I wish we would sell beer (would be a huge revenue boost) and then we could maybe buy ourselves some post season births. Auburn proved to me the importance of cheating. Wyoming should take some money and pay for a Cam Newton, that is the way the sport is going. Again, I understand why people would look at dropping down and if money wasn't an issue we probably would.
COS Cowboy
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Danmully said:
Agreed. I know I'll drop my season tickets and my CJC donations if they drop.
Big Sky gets one team in the NCAa and it is usually a 15 seed with no chance to advance. MWC gets 3 teams in. Sorry easier to make it in the MWC and you actually have a chance to advance not playing a 1 or 2 seed.
total Playoff attendance is also a joke in the FCS other than 3-4 schools and the NCAA takes all the money to fund the playoffs. Montana barely breaks even with home playoff games.
Sorry D-1AA would be the death of UW sports including Football attendance. I won't drive 400 miles to watch us play UNC or SUU or just about any FCS team regularly. I can see that show much closer to home. the fan base would evaporate.
glad to know you are guessing on results other than reading a 2009 study.
Even if Af leaves we will still be playing them regularly
total Playoff attendance is also a joke in the FCS other than 3-4 schools and the NCAA takes all the money to fund the playoffs. Montana barely breaks even with home playoff games.
Sorry D-1AA would be the death of UW sports including Football attendance. I won't drive 400 miles to watch us play UNC or SUU or just about any FCS team regularly. I can see that show much closer to home. the fan base would evaporate.
glad to know you are guessing on results other than reading a 2009 study.
Even if Af leaves we will still be playing them regularly
I don't really put a ton of faith in this study. BYU, Utah, and Tcu are not in the conference anymore. Boise ( our BCS revenue) will likely leave soon as well. This study doesn't really research the impact of private donors leaving ( it speculates but that is as reliable as us discussing possible outcomes on here). I can see small time donors leaving, but will that equal the 430,000 saved on scholarship cost? I kind of doubt it, many of the major donors are family members of past trustees and multiple generation UW alums (families that have donated for decades), do these families quit donating because we are down to D1AA? Other donations come from Wyoming companies that are in it for tax purposes (i.e. Mcmurry). Point is it is impossible to determine what donors would stay and who would leave (other than the handfull of posters who say they will).
The study does do a good job of showing how corporate donations would be hurt because they desire a product that will advertised well (i.e. Pepsi), but that is only a 625,000 difference.
I also don't like how the study doesn't include playoff games. If your a top seed how many games do you get in the D1AA playoff system?
All this is for sake of discussion, I don't believe we should go down to D1AA, but I think we should be based in a regional D1 conference were we have an equal or higher budget when compared with the other schools. As of right now I would hate to be in top tier conference were we lose everygame. I also hate being in the MWC were we cannot even compete for a conference title. I fucking hate being a lower tier team year in and year out.
The study does do a good job of showing how corporate donations would be hurt because they desire a product that will advertised well (i.e. Pepsi), but that is only a 625,000 difference.
I also don't like how the study doesn't include playoff games. If your a top seed how many games do you get in the D1AA playoff system?
All this is for sake of discussion, I don't believe we should go down to D1AA, but I think we should be based in a regional D1 conference were we have an equal or higher budget when compared with the other schools. As of right now I would hate to be in top tier conference were we lose everygame. I also hate being in the MWC were we cannot even compete for a conference title. I fucking hate being a lower tier team year in and year out.
what do you think I'm guessing At? The Tv deal? regardless how many times has one of those 3 schools been wyoming, oh yeah one time. I think id take my chance in the big sky.billings said:
Glad to know your argument is based on a 2009 study that has a big chunk of money coming from schools that wont be in our conference and a tv deal that in all likely hood wont be renewed(im not the only guessing at this google it).
As far as driving to games, We play two FCS teams a year anyways, and new Mexico and Unlv aren't much better. The other games we just get ass raped anyways, so i assume you dont attend very many games as is. As far as the fanbase evaporating, im sure there will be some backlash, but as someone else said the attendance at Montana football games is higher than Wyoming's. Anyways it doesnt matter either way to me. They are never going to drop down its just some food for thought.
Go pokes! I would support you no matter what division you are In or how many times you give up 63 to 1-3 teams from the WAC
This is a good thread and good discussion. Everyone knows we won't likely move down, but it could be an option if we continue to suck so bad. I could see the fan base being depleted if we see many more years of being inept in both mens basketball and football. I think that is a bigger threat to our program than dropping down a division.
No need for people to get pissed off on this discussion, it is a good topic.
marcuswyo said:
That is kind of where the MWC is going.
FCS schools bid to host playoff games. They tell the NCAA how much they will pay to host the game and the winning bid gets the game. Only the top 4 seeds get to automatically host. At least that is how I understand it. The tournament is not a true seeded event other then the top 4. They play regional games in early rounds to minimize costs regardless of seeding. To pay for the tournament the NCAA takes most of the gate recepts from the hosting team. The championship game is in Frisco Texas in a 23,500 seat arena. Wyo could not even take the same number of fans we took to the vegas bowl just because of the stadium size there.
Big SKy BB arenas are not very big with a few exceptions so traveling in any numbers to those venues is tough as well. This years tournament is in Greeley Colorado and the arena sit 5,000 Woohoooo yea how many Wyo fans get to go to that one. Regular season Basketball scheduling is weird with back to back game night to save money as well.
A blurb on that form Portland State.
http://www.oregonlive.com/vikings/index.ssf/2010/01/portland_state_basketball_gevi.html
Big Sky basketball would kill the Wyoming program
