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Who runs UW concessions?????

billings

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What a huge missed opportunity

Night game with fireworks late so lots of kids in the crowd. Cold evening and they don't sell hot chocolate anywhere? in fact many stands ran out of coffee and there were no hot drinks for adults or kids for sale in the stadium

Lunacy at best. While I waited in line I saw at least 10 people ask for hot chocolate and when they were told there wasn't any they just walked away.

Get a clue who ever runs concessions.
 
No idea. When I last worked there as an usher, they did sell hot chocolatte, but that was back in 2005.

Wow, it doesn't seem that long ago, but that was 6 years ago, almost 7! Where has the time gone?
 
billings said:
What a huge missed opportunity

Night game with fireworks late so lots of kids in the crowd. Cold evening and they don't sell hot chocolate anywhere? in fact many stands ran out of coffee and there were no hot drinks for adults or kids for sale in the stadium

Lunacy at best. While I waited in line I saw at least 10 people ask for hot chocolate and when they were told there wasn't any they just walked away.

Get a clue who ever runs concessions.

If you were carrying a flask of Fireball you wouldn't need the hot chocolate. :twocents:
 
I heard a concession worker say the reason they didn't have hot chocolate is because they didn't anticipate it being so cold. Not sure if they had any in stock, but they could have figured out it was going to be a cold night earlier in the day.
 
Not defending UW concessions, but what do you plan for at an upcoming game? Having worked in the concessions area many, many years ago as a student, I know some of the problems involved. First off, what is the anticipated attendance; how much reliance can you place on the number provided? Also, what is the weather anticipated to be like; should you place any reliance on the forecast? Will a special event, such as fireworks, increase an specific element within the attendance; i.e., kids and it being a night game that will in all probability end well after ten o'clock how many children will be in attendance because of the special event because of the late time involved?

Should there have been hot chololate offered? In all probability yes, after all this is Laramie in September and one never knows what a September evening can be like; can be nice and pleasant until quite late in the evening or it can suddenly drop several degrees within a relatively short period of time. But as with the situation with hot coffee, how much do you prepare for the for the event? If you are expecting an evening where temperatures may remain halfway nice until late into the evening you would not expect a tremendous demand and would prepare for a mild to moderate demand. The problem then is if the weather does suddenly change and demand goes from moderate to high how do you prepare enough to keep up with the increased demand. I do not know how long it takes to get a fairly large sized coffee urn hot but imagine it would be around a half an hour or more. If every stand has two large urns does it prepare two urns of coffee initially hoping there is going to be a high demand or does it prepare only one urn planning on a moderate demand and demand suddenly looks like it is going to be high is there enough time to have the second urn ready to meet the increased demand? I don't know. When I worked in concessions some forty years ago we made coffee in big kettles in the fieldhouse kitchen and took it to stadium stands in individual insulated (not very well) containers to the individual stands; think that might still be done to some extent.

In any case, as I mentioned in a different post I will no longer be attending UW athletic events, I talked with a couple of fans who were there and with an individual who works with a group in one of the concession stands. From what I am told, there really didn't seem to be much coffee demanded or in evidence until the second quarter toward half-time (at which time it might be a little difficult to make enough more coffee to meet demands at half-time). So really the question is how much should concessions prepare before the event and how much should it have in process in the early stages of the event for possible demand later in the event? Frankly, I don't know; but I do know that in the past I have been told that concessions has had to dump severaol hundreds of gallons of coffee and hot chocolate because attendance was way lower than anticipated or because the weather didn't turn as cold as predicted.

I would expect that it is harder for concessions to predict night football game demands than early (or maybe even late) afternoon games. I only know that several years ago I was amazed at the number of hot dogs/sausages (easily hundreds) and amount of popcorn I saw in trash dumpsters near the fieldhouse kitchen following a football game. (Found out that by rule concessions is not allowed to donate the unused prepared food because of libility concerns.) So, please cut a little slack for the concessions people, unforeseens make planning for events somewhat difficult at times.

Oh, as for the increase in the number of kids who came to see the fireworks, from what I am hearing that probably was also poor planning on the AD's part as I am told that probably a good half of the crowd had left after the end of the third quarter.
 
wylrae said:
Not defending UW concessions, but what do you plan for at an upcoming game? Having worked in the concessions area many, many years ago as a student, I know some of the problems involved. First off, what is the anticipated attendance; how much reliance can you place on the number provided? Also, what is the weather anticipated to be like; should you place any reliance on the forecast? Will a special event, such as fireworks, increase an specific element within the attendance; i.e., kids and it being a night game that will in all probability end well after ten o'clock how many children will be in attendance because of the special event because of the late time involved?

Should there have been hot chololate offered? In all probability yes, after all this is Laramie in September and one never knows what a September evening can be like; can be nice and pleasant until quite late in the evening or it can suddenly drop several degrees within a relatively short period of time. But as with the situation with hot coffee, how much do you prepare for the for the event? If you are expecting an evening where temperatures may remain halfway nice until late into the evening you would not expect a tremendous demand and would prepare for a mild to moderate demand. The problem then is if the weather does suddenly change and demand goes from moderate to high how do you prepare enough to keep up with the increased demand. I do not know how long it takes to get a fairly large sized coffee urn hot but imagine it would be around a half an hour or more. If every stand has two large urns does it prepare two urns of coffee initially hoping there is going to be a high demand or does it prepare only one urn planning on a moderate demand and demand suddenly looks like it is going to be high is there enough time to have the second urn ready to meet the increased demand? I don't know. When I worked in concessions some forty years ago we made coffee in big kettles in the fieldhouse kitchen and took it to stadium stands in individual insulated (not very well) containers to the individual stands; think that might still be done to some extent.

In any case, as I mentioned in a different post I will no longer be attending UW athletic events, I talked with a couple of fans who were there and with an individual who works with a group in one of the concession stands. From what I am told, there really didn't seem to be much coffee demanded or in evidence until the second quarter toward half-time (at which time it might be a little difficult to make enough more coffee to meet demands at half-time). So really the question is how much should concessions prepare before the event and how much should it have in process in the early stages of the event for possible demand later in the event? Frankly, I don't know; but I do know that in the past I have been told that concessions has had to dump severaol hundreds of gallons of coffee and hot chocolate because attendance was way lower than anticipated or because the weather didn't turn as cold as predicted.

I would expect that it is harder for concessions to predict night football game demands than early (or maybe even late) afternoon games. I only know that several years ago I was amazed at the number of hot dogs/sausages (easily hundreds) and amount of popcorn I saw in trash dumpsters near the fieldhouse kitchen following a football game. (Found out that by rule concessions is not allowed to donate the unused prepared food because of libility concerns.) So, please cut a little slack for the concessions people, unforeseens make planning for events somewhat difficult at times.

Oh, as for the increase in the number of kids who came to see the fireworks, from what I am hearing that probably was also poor planning on the AD's part as I am told that probably a good half of the crowd had left after the end of the third quarter.

This is great 'n'all, but whoever is responsible for UW concessions is PAID to figure this out and it's not rocket science or brain surgery. Does whoever's planning these things not have access to weather.com or meet with the stadium managers to know what's going on from game to game? The forecast for Laramie on weather.com was on the money that day, and I'm sure Tom Burman didn't suddenly find some leftover fireworks in his garage and decide to burn them off Saturday night after the game.

Food waste is part of the business in food service, it's a factor that operators have to MANAGE, thus the term F&B Management. The production of hot beverages (like everything) can be modulated. These items are dispensed from holding vessels that can be refilled from production equipment based on demand.
 
A cool evening had been forecast for a week and it was dead on. Hot chocolate would never go to waste. Heat up water and pour in the packet and stir. In closed packets you save it until the next game. The predicted attendance was 21,000 that was also dead on.

These aren't hot dogs

It was piss poor planning and yes I also used to work food service as a student and special events as well. I have no clue how to forecast demand based on that experience but that is what they are paid to do and someone is in charge of it. They blew it.

Yes the crowd dwindled after the 3rd quarter but there was no warm drink to get you through the cold. Maybe that is why some left unless they had a flask but not with little kids.

UW concessions have never been very well managed, in my experience anyway. Seems they have left money on the table.
 
Ultimately, Tom Burman runs them. He is, after all, the GM of all things Wyoming athletics. Good and bad. I am starting to see why so many on his staff are "new" to their positions.
 
Idiots do, but what else is new?
Also, the Brown and Gold Outlet dropped the ball big time...no stadium blankets or stocking caps for sale. The would've made a mint off of me (wife and daughter complaining loudly about temperature, even after repeated warnings from me before we went to the game).
 
billings said:
What a huge missed opportunity

Night game with fireworks late so lots of kids in the crowd. Cold evening and they don't sell hot chocolate anywhere? in fact many stands ran out of coffee and there were no hot drinks for adults or kids for sale in the stadium

Lunacy at best. While I waited in line I saw at least 10 people ask for hot chocolate and when they were told there wasn't any they just walked away.

Get a clue who ever runs concessions.
Lunacy, lunacy at its best I tell ya'. This is trying to win a land war in Asia type lunacy. Just so I have this straight, are you saying that people, at least 10 by your count, asked for hot chocolate and were turned away? And then they just walked away, as if going to slaughter? What is this, some sort of ex-Soviet block mentality? The population wants warm chocolate beverage, maybe with a few of those little marshmellows on top, and "the establishment" turns them away. Didn't Mandela spend half his life in prison just so these type things wouldn't happen? Didn't Gandhi lead a peaceful uprising to free a country and then get assassinated specifically to keep our belly full of this sweet liquid?! An earlier poster said that they offered hot chocolate when Bush was in office. Do you think this might have something to do with the Obama administration? I trust you'll be following this up with the proper authorities.

By the way, what did you think of the game?
 
cowboyz said:
billings said:
What a huge missed opportunity

Night game with fireworks late so lots of kids in the crowd. Cold evening and they don't sell hot chocolate anywhere? in fact many stands ran out of coffee and there were no hot drinks for adults or kids for sale in the stadium

Lunacy at best. While I waited in line I saw at least 10 people ask for hot chocolate and when they were told there wasn't any they just walked away.

Get a clue who ever runs concessions.
Lunacy, lunacy at its best I tell ya'. This is trying to win a land war in Asia type lunacy. Just so I have this straight, are you saying that people, at least 10 by your count, asked for hot chocolate and were turned away? And then they just walked away, as if going to slaughter? What is this, some sort of ex-Soviet block mentality? The population wants warm chocolate beverage, maybe with a few of those little marshmellows on top, and "the establishment" turns them away. Didn't Mandela spend half his life in prison just so these type things wouldn't happen? Didn't Gandhi lead a peaceful uprising to free a country and then get assassinated specifically to keep our belly full of this sweet liquid?! An earlier poster said that they offered hot chocolate when Bush was in office. Do you think this might have something to do with the Obama administration? I trust you'll be following this up with the proper authorities.

By the way, what did you think of the game?
And the douche gets douchier... :roll:
 
cowboyz said:
billings said:
What a huge missed opportunity

Night game with fireworks late so lots of kids in the crowd. Cold evening and they don't sell hot chocolate anywhere? in fact many stands ran out of coffee and there were no hot drinks for adults or kids for sale in the stadium

Lunacy at best. While I waited in line I saw at least 10 people ask for hot chocolate and when they were told there wasn't any they just walked away.

Get a clue who ever runs concessions.
Lunacy, lunacy at its best I tell ya'. This is trying to win a land war in Asia type lunacy. Just so I have this straight, are you saying that people, at least 10 by your count, asked for hot chocolate and were turned away? And then they just walked away, as if going to slaughter? What is this, some sort of ex-Soviet block mentality? The population wants warm chocolate beverage, maybe with a few of those little marshmellows on top, and "the establishment" turns them away. Didn't Mandela spend half his life in prison just so these type things wouldn't happen? Didn't Gandhi lead a peaceful uprising to free a country and then get assassinated specifically to keep our belly full of this sweet liquid?! An earlier poster said that they offered hot chocolate when Bush was in office. Do you think this might have something to do with the Obama administration? I trust you'll be following this up with the proper authorities.

By the way, what did you think of the game?


You would spell cowboys with a "z". Doucher.
 
Well, I got coffee in the second half with creamer. That was the highlite for concessions. :coffee:

(All concession criticism was before the end of the third quarter)
Strike #1 -The smoked turkey leg vendor said they weren't allowed to bring their cooker into tailgate park as they could last year. No turkey legs... :tickedoff: Holding all UW admin responsible....

Strike #2 - One of those big burritos they used to sell on the north end of the east upper deck. The concessionaire was a new one. I was told they had burritos, but ran out before the game started. :willybs:

Strike #3 - Went to the other end and "cowboy cravings" had a variety of items revolving around chili. Alright, I'll have a frito pie...sorry, they were temporarily out of chili. She didn't indicate when or if there would be more. :brick:

Sorry, concessionaires get a D rating for week #1.
 
There used to be a time where I knew about half of them. Now, I only know the Della's and Mandy's Concession's by the student section. One was a year behind me in high school, the other used to be one of my martial arts instructors before she injured her hand. And they usually give me free drinks too. :thumb:
 
UfuknDub said:
cowboyz said:
billings said:
What a huge missed opportunity

Night game with fireworks late so lots of kids in the crowd. Cold evening and they don't sell hot chocolate anywhere? in fact many stands ran out of coffee and there were no hot drinks for adults or kids for sale in the stadium

Lunacy at best. While I waited in line I saw at least 10 people ask for hot chocolate and when they were told there wasn't any they just walked away.

Get a clue who ever runs concessions.
Lunacy, lunacy at its best I tell ya'. This is trying to win a land war in Asia type lunacy. Just so I have this straight, are you saying that people, at least 10 by your count, asked for hot chocolate and were turned away? And then they just walked away, as if going to slaughter? What is this, some sort of ex-Soviet block mentality? The population wants warm chocolate beverage, maybe with a few of those little marshmellows on top, and "the establishment" turns them away. Didn't Mandela spend half his life in prison just so these type things wouldn't happen? Didn't Gandhi lead a peaceful uprising to free a country and then get assassinated specifically to keep our belly full of this sweet liquid?! An earlier poster said that they offered hot chocolate when Bush was in office. Do you think this might have something to do with the Obama administration? I trust you'll be following this up with the proper authorities.

By the way, what did you think of the game?


You would spell cowboys with a "z". Doucher.
Well, aren't you the chatty one lately?

I actually wanted a different name, something real radical to show how tough and maybe a little unpredictable I am. Something with a crazy side, yet still loyal to the Pokes. After a few weeks of different names churning in my head I came up with the best name possible, UfuknDub. When I went to sign up, imagine my disappointment to see that that name had already been taken. Curse the gods! Could there be two of us so similar with that edge? It's as if we were separated at birth. So, there you go, I needed a new name.

Seriously though, I simply tried Cowboys and it was already taken, so I dropped the s and replaced it with a z. Get it, cowboys, cowboyz, when you say them they sound the same. Go ahead, try it. See, what'd I tell you.
 
cowboyz said:
billings said:
What a huge missed opportunity

Night game with fireworks late so lots of kids in the crowd. Cold evening and they don't sell hot chocolate anywhere? in fact many stands ran out of coffee and there were no hot drinks for adults or kids for sale in the stadium

Lunacy at best. While I waited in line I saw at least 10 people ask for hot chocolate and when they were told there wasn't any they just walked away.

Get a clue who ever runs concessions.
Lunacy, lunacy at its best I tell ya'. This is trying to win a land war in Asia type lunacy. Just so I have this straight, are you saying that people, at least 10 by your count, asked for hot chocolate and were turned away? And then they just walked away, as if going to slaughter? What is this, some sort of ex-Soviet block mentality? The population wants warm chocolate beverage, maybe with a few of those little marshmellows on top, and "the establishment" turns them away. Didn't Mandela spend half his life in prison just so these type things wouldn't happen? Didn't Gandhi lead a peaceful uprising to free a country and then get assassinated specifically to keep our belly full of this sweet liquid?! An earlier poster said that they offered hot chocolate when Bush was in office. Do you think this might have something to do with the Obama administration? I trust you'll be following this up with the proper authorities.

By the way, what did you think of the game?

On another topic, someone remarked about the size of Wyoming's athletic budget due to lawmakers' apathy and the possible allegiance of some to a certain church rather than the State of Wyoming. While more support from available state funds might be nice, I'd argue one of the biggest problems is the half-assed approach to ancillary revenue UW pursues. This hot chocolate/ hot beverage issue is just symptomatic of a much bigger malaise, that being the sub-par quality and poor execution of food concessions at UW venues.

Your apathy to the situation just belies the tunnel-vision and myopic attitude that seems to attach itself to many things UW. Mediocrity takes root in acceptance and thrives in complacency.

As far as the game goes, I refuse to accept as best-possible quality the defense that Christiansen permitted English to field on Saturday night and will not continue to blindly financially contribute to a program that resigns itself to an optional fate. So far, the latter remains to be seen, so there's still lots (and lots) of hope.

Go 'Pokes!
 
If I ran concessions, there would only be one drink....Beer. And everyone would be happy! There seems to be a lot of hate on the boards lately. I can see hating theman, but are we turning on each other because of a poor showing from the D?
 
Wyovanian said:
cowboyz said:
billings said:
What a huge missed opportunity

Night game with fireworks late so lots of kids in the crowd. Cold evening and they don't sell hot chocolate anywhere? in fact many stands ran out of coffee and there were no hot drinks for adults or kids for sale in the stadium

Lunacy at best. While I waited in line I saw at least 10 people ask for hot chocolate and when they were told there wasn't any they just walked away.

Get a clue who ever runs concessions.
Lunacy, lunacy at its best I tell ya'. This is trying to win a land war in Asia type lunacy. Just so I have this straight, are you saying that people, at least 10 by your count, asked for hot chocolate and were turned away? And then they just walked away, as if going to slaughter? What is this, some sort of ex-Soviet block mentality? The population wants warm chocolate beverage, maybe with a few of those little marshmellows on top, and "the establishment" turns them away. Didn't Mandela spend half his life in prison just so these type things wouldn't happen? Didn't Gandhi lead a peaceful uprising to free a country and then get assassinated specifically to keep our belly full of this sweet liquid?! An earlier poster said that they offered hot chocolate when Bush was in office. Do you think this might have something to do with the Obama administration? I trust you'll be following this up with the proper authorities.

By the way, what did you think of the game?

On another topic, someone remarked about the size of Wyoming's athletic budget due to lawmakers' apathy and the possible allegiance of some to a certain church rather than the State of Wyoming. While more support from available state funds might be nice, I'd argue one of the biggest problems is the half-assed approach to ancillary revenue UW pursues. This hot chocolate/ hot beverage issue is just symptomatic of a much bigger malaise, that being the sub-par quality and poor execution of food concessions at UW venues.

Your apathy to the situation just belies the tunnel-vision and myopic attitude that seems to attach itself to many things UW. Mediocrity takes root in acceptance and thrives in complacency.

As far as the game goes, I refuse to accept as best-possible quality the defense that Christiansen permitted English to field on Saturday night and will not continue to blindly financially contribute to a program that resigns itself to an optional fate. So far, the latter remains to be seen, so there's still lots (and lots) of hope.

Go 'Pokes!
big words are big
 

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