What's with all the bitching?

[CNPOKE]

BHR - I presented the same question on 2 other threads and they can't reply, just like to bitch. :tickedoff:

 

[HR_Poke]

I just want names from the naysayers of who they think we should have hired and WERE INTERESTED:

Please, name our better options.

Tedford was interested and we have all said we would have prefered him in multiple threads but you chose to ignore them

 

[CNPOKE]

The people who are complaining are literally only saying "Glenn failed and therefore Bohl will."

This. Is. A. Terrible. Argument.

Yeah continued dismissive attitudes and mischaracterization of others' arguments will really help elevate the dialog here. :thumbdown:

Ok, then further explain your position.

Uh, no. You've soured the conversation here, and my point of view has been expressed several times on the board.

Your point of view makes no sense because you fail to offer legit alternatives :shock:

 

[Bryoming]

Tedford would have been less of a risk.

Very true. I don't think Bohl is nearly as big of a reach as some do, though.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I just want names from the naysayers of who they think we should have hired and WERE INTERESTED:

Please, name our better options.

Tedford was interested and we have all said we would have prefered him in multiple threads but you chose to ignore them

Tedford is rumored to have been interested by 3rd party sources. Bohl was rumored to NOT have been interested.

Hmmmm. Obviously message boards and tweets aren't reliable.

Find me a Tedford quote.

Belotti said "3 or 4 days" ago, he had mentioned he was interested. He was SO interested that he stayed on vacation during the most crucial part of the hiring process. If I reeeeeeally want a job, I'm cutting my vacation short.

 

[Cowduck]

The people who are complaining are literally only saying "Glenn failed and therefore Bohl will."

This. Is. A. Terrible. Argument.

Yeah continued dismissive attitudes and mischaracterization of others' arguments will really help elevate the dialog here. :thumbdown:

Ok, then further explain your position.

Uh, no. You've soured the conversation here, and my point of view has been expressed several times on the board.

The only argument you've made apart from #joeglennpart2 is that Bohl lacks FBS head coaching experience. Not many of those guys are available, affordable, capable, and willing. And coaches really have succeeded at FBS without prior FBS head coaching experience. I promise this has happened. I bet you can google a few names to prove it to yourself.

I preferred Tedford to Bohl, too. But it's hard to find a serious negative to the Bohl hire. Nobody can say for certain he will make Wyoming a winner but given what I know now I'd say this is a damn good hire.

 

[kansasCowboy]

The people who are complaining are literally only saying "Glenn failed and therefore Bohl will."

This. Is. A. Terrible. Argument.

Yeah continued dismissive attitudes and mischaracterization of others' arguments will really help elevate the dialog here. :thumbdown:

Ok, then further explain your position.

Uh, no. You've soured the conversation here, and my point of view has been expressed several times on the board.

The only argument you've made apart from #joeglennpart2 is that Bohl lacks FBS head coaching experience. Not many of those guys are available, affordable, capable, and willing. And coaches really have succeeded at FBS without prior FBS head coaching experience. I promise this has happened. I bet you can google a few names to prove it to yourself.

I preferred Tedford to Bohl, too. But it's hard to find a serious negative to the Bohl hire. Nobody can say for certain he will make Wyoming a winner but given what I know now I'd say this is a damn good hire.

Remember what you said right here five years from now.

The majority of us thought DC was a damn good hire. Six years before that everyone jumped on the Glenn wagon, cause he proved he could win championships and we were just coming out of our worst 3 year period ever. We were desparate for anybody at that point.
But when is enough, enough? Every coach we've had since Erikson has been someone coming in as a lower level HC or a coord. Seriously, Roach was a Coord before coming to WYO. Tiller was a coord under Roach, school saved a shit ton of money on that hire. Dimel was a coord. Koenning was "Tiller x 2", they wanted to save money and hope it would be an easy fix, just like Tiller was. Obviously after that debacle even the upper echelon at WYO thought, "Okay, we may need to bring in some experience." And we brought someone who had HC experience in. But not only that, they had won championships at every lower level they coached at... Bring in FCS Glenn. Six years later, Glenn's not working out and attendance is dropping significantly, gotta do something... Let's go with another coord. Sure he has no HC experience, bu he is one of the best offensive minds... Five years later enter in another man with HC experience and championships to boot, Bohl!!! But his experience again is at the FCS level...

Sorry, excuse some of us for seeing the same freaking picture over and over again... Going after a semi retired, but experienced BCS coach makes sense. Going after a hot "Young Gun" HC at a smaller FBS football program, that is thinking outside of the box. Utah figured that out with Meyer. SDSU figured it out with Hoke. Get someone to jump start the program.

All I fear (and I hope I'm wrong) is we are
Seeing the same ol same ol, with a new name and a different history that suits us at the time.

 

[johnywyo]

I applaud Burman, and I've not done that in a considerable length of time.
After dissecting the hires, this from a cultural and geographic vantage appears to me the absolute best.
Craig Bohl can flat out recruit, develop, and Coach kids up.
In terms of what about Smith, well as a matter of logic Brett is a player he needed help. I hope he stays, Tedford may have been the "best" for Brett at this stage of his career. But if you recall, if we can't block, play D, and have a decent Special Team effort and we have been horrible the last two season- we will never compete with even marginally decent MWC opponents. If you like sticking with the game plan and no adjustments, we just made huge strides in the opposite direction.

If you want high octane games, with horse shit execution like what we witnessed with our asses getting thrashed by the likes of Boise, Colo State, Fresno, Texas State, Utah State we are vacating that "style" of ball to a physical, hard nosed, balanced and multiple set style of Offense and Defensive philosophy. I applaud this, even if it takes us a year to get this strategy employed.

Bohl in my estimation is the absolute best thing we could have hoped for. I'm upping my CJC contribution, and when I hear more good things from the players and administration on Bohl's unique talent will set my sights on more personal attendance at games in Laramie and abroad. To bitch about this hire and TB at this stage of the process is symptomatic of where Wyo football was headed which was in the toilet. Great job Tom Burman, I thank you for your dedication to get the goods from the top shelf.

 

[WYO_Temp]

The people who are complaining are literally only saying "Glenn failed and therefore Bohl will."

This. Is. A. Terrible. Argument.

Yeah continued dismissive attitudes and mischaracterization of others' arguments will really help elevate the dialog here. :thumbdown:

Ok, then further explain your position.

Uh, no. You've soured the conversation here, and my point of view has been expressed several times on the board.

The only argument you've made apart from #joeglennpart2 is that Bohl lacks FBS head coaching experience. Not many of those guys are available, affordable, capable, and willing. And coaches really have succeeded at FBS without prior FBS head coaching experience. I promise this has happened. I bet you can google a few names to prove it to yourself.

I preferred Tedford to Bohl, too. But it's hard to find a serious negative to the Bohl hire. Nobody can say for certain he will make Wyoming a winner but given what I know now I'd say this is a damn good hire.

Remember what you said right here five years from now.

The majority of us thought DC was a damn good hire. Six years before that everyone jumped on the Glenn wagon, cause he proved he could win championships and we were just coming out of our worst 3 year period ever. We were desparate for anybody at that point.
But when is enough, enough? Every coach we've had since Erikson has been someone coming in as a lower level HC or a coord. Seriously, Roach was a Coord before coming to WYO. Tiller was a coord under Roach, school saved a shit ton of money on that hire. Dimel was a coord. Koenning was "Tiller x 2", they wanted to save money and hope it would be an easy fix, just like Tiller was. Obviously after that debacle even the upper echelon at WYO thought, "Okay, we may need to bring in some experience." And we brought someone who had HC experience in. But not only that, they had won championships at every lower level they coached at... Bring in FCS Glenn. Six years later, Glenn's not working out and attendance is dropping significantly, gotta do something... Let's go with another coord. Sure he has no HC experience, bu he is one of the best offensive minds... Five years later enter in another man with HC experience and championships to boot, Bohl!!! But his experience again is at the FCS level...

Sorry, excuse some of us for seeing the same freaking picture over and over again... Going after a semi retired, but experienced BCS coach makes sense. Going after a hot "Young Gun" HC at a smaller FBS football program, that is thinking outside of the box. Utah figured that out with Meyer. SDSU figured it out with Hoke. Get someone to jump start the program.

All I fear (and I hope I'm wrong) is we are
Seeing the same ol same ol, with a new name and a different history that suits us at the time.

Hoke was at Ball State (NDSU) before he went to SDSU (Wyoming). If you think Ball State is a better program than NDSU just because it has FBS in front of it.....

Meyer was at Bowling Green (NDSU) before he went to Utah (Wyoming). If you think Bowling Green is a better program than NDSU just because it has FBS in front of it.....

My friend, you could be looking at what you're asking for.....

He will recruit Colorado and Utah just like he did Minnesota and Wisconsin, with the occasional home state (Wyoming) kid with some diamonds in the rough, ie TX, CA, etc. and turn them into a solid hard nose football team which will win, potentially a lot in the MWC. You won't get 4-5* recruits, but you'll get solid kids that'll make a solid program.

Your indoor practice facility is really nice, might need to get more than 3 sets of dumbbells in the rochelle though, and tighten up the ship here a little bit, all eyes as far as recruiting goes are watching. The sense of entitlement from a program that has been argued as a step down from NDSU is interesting. You realize that a single post on NDSU's forum about this coaching change has more views than there are people in Laramie, in less than 24 hours. The highest post ever, here on wyonation, is 8347 views.... You sure you're ready, im not so sure....

 

[WyoExpat]

Seriously, everyone needs to calm the f down. We allegedly got a coach that has been successful everywhere he's gone. (FCS & FBS) I don't understand the logic that this is a "good enough" hire. Hiring a D2 head coach would have been "good enough". Hiring a wide receiver coach that has never been even a coordinator would have been "good enough". Hiring a mediocre FCS head coach would have been "good enough". Instead hired a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING COACH. Granted it was at the FCS level, but 40-2 is a mind boggling record at ANY level.

You guys that are freaking out obviously wouldn't accept any name but Jeff Tedford. I was on the Tedford bandwagon too, but Bohl was a very close second. If you're going to cry yourself to sleep and cancel your season tickets go ahead, but be miserable by yourself and stop dragging the rest of us down with you.

Please quit mischaracterizing my position. Wyoming needed and deserved a better hire at this critical junction. This isn't a knock at Bohl by any means, but is one on Burman.

I was making a generalization, not any individual poster. For the record I'm not a Burman fan either. He's done some good things, but he's also had some major missteps. This hire looks great on paper, and if the rumors floating around about the contract they gave him are true Burman truly gave everything he could to get Bohl here. This is absolutely a make or break hire, and Burman will be run out of town if it fails.

this wasnt just a make or break hire for burman it was one for the whole university. Bohl may work out but right now m underwhelmed when we needed a grand slam hire. Weare getting left behind even in our own conference. We needed a chris petersen like hire and im not sold that this was it

Nor am I, but it is promising. We could have hired Stu Pidasso and paid him $50K a year, but our AD stuck his neck out and put his own job on the line for this hire. He made the investment for the school and for us, so I'm going to continue to support my alma mater and stand behind the program.

Tedford would have been less of a risk.

What was Tedford's record over the past 2-3 years of his tenure at Cal?

Easier recruiting destination? Laramie, Fargo, or Berkeley, CA

 

[NowherePoke]

I just want names from the naysayers of who they think we should have hired and WERE INTERESTED:

Please, name our better options.

Tedford was interested and we have all said we would have prefered him in multiple threads but you chose to ignore them

Tedford is rumored to have been interested by 3rd party sources. Bohl was rumored to NOT have been interested.

Hmmmm. Obviously message boards and tweets aren't reliable.

Find me a Tedford quote.

Belotti said "3 or 4 days" ago, he had mentioned he was interested. He was SO interested that he stayed on vacation during the most crucial part of the hiring process. If I reeeeeeally want a job, I'm cutting my vacation short.

That is an unreasonable level of confirmation. If Tedford had been hired, we would have never known Bohl was interested. Someone could have expressed a preference for Bohl and you could have just said "prove that he was interested".

I think Bohl is a good hire, but I can understand fans who wanted a proven FBS HC.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

I don't get the Debbie downers and chicken littles either. While I would have loved to see Stitt's offense at Wyoming, there is no way to argue that this hire is not a homerun on paper. 99% of people outside of Wyoming (and who have any clue who Bohl is) are wondering how we were able to land him.

I am excited that in a few years at least we will have a puncher's chance in beating good teams. Beating only crappy teams and getting rolled by every good team we faced for the past 5 years has sucked. Bringing back Wyoming toughness!

 

[kansasCowboy]

The people who are complaining are literally only saying "Glenn failed and therefore Bohl will."

This. Is. A. Terrible. Argument.

Yeah continued dismissive attitudes and mischaracterization of others' arguments will really help elevate the dialog here. :thumbdown:

Ok, then further explain your position.

Uh, no. You've soured the conversation here, and my point of view has been expressed several times on the board.

The only argument you've made apart from #joeglennpart2 is that Bohl lacks FBS head coaching experience. Not many of those guys are available, affordable, capable, and willing. And coaches really have succeeded at FBS without prior FBS head coaching experience. I promise this has happened. I bet you can google a few names to prove it to yourself.

I preferred Tedford to Bohl, too. But it's hard to find a serious negative to the Bohl hire. Nobody can say for certain he will make Wyoming a winner but given what I know now I'd say this is a damn good hire.

Remember what you said right here five years from now.

The majority of us thought DC was a damn good hire. Six years before that everyone jumped on the Glenn wagon, cause he proved he could win championships and we were just coming out of our worst 3 year period ever. We were desparate for anybody at that point.
But when is enough, enough? Every coach we've had since Erikson has been someone coming in as a lower level HC or a coord. Seriously, Roach was a Coord before coming to WYO. Tiller was a coord under Roach, school saved a shit ton of money on that hire. Dimel was a coord. Koenning was "Tiller x 2", they wanted to save money and hope it would be an easy fix, just like Tiller was. Obviously after that debacle even the upper echelon at WYO thought, "Okay, we may need to bring in some experience." And we brought someone who had HC experience in. But not only that, they had won championships at every lower level they coached at... Bring in FCS Glenn. Six years later, Glenn's not working out and attendance is dropping significantly, gotta do something... Let's go with another coord. Sure he has no HC experience, bu he is one of the best offensive minds... Five years later enter in another man with HC experience and championships to boot, Bohl!!! But his experience again is at the FCS level...

Sorry, excuse some of us for seeing the same freaking picture over and over again... Going after a semi retired, but experienced BCS coach makes sense. Going after a hot "Young Gun" HC at a smaller FBS football program, that is thinking outside of the box. Utah figured that out with Meyer. SDSU figured it out with Hoke. Get someone to jump start the program.

All I fear (and I hope I'm wrong) is we are
Seeing the same ol same ol, with a new name and a different history that suits us at the time.

Hoke was at Ball State (NDSU) before he went to SDSU (Wyoming). If you think Ball State is a better program than NDSU just because it has FBS in front of it.....

Meyer was at Bowling Green (NDSU) before he went to Utah (Wyoming). If you think Bowling Green is a better program than NDSU just because it has FBS in front of it.....

My friend, you could be looking at what you're asking for.....

He will recruit Colorado and Utah just like he did Minnesota and Wisconsin, with the occasional home state (Wyoming) kid with some diamonds in the rough, ie TX, CA, etc. and turn them into a solid hard nose football team which will win, potentially a lot in the MWC. You won't get 4-5* recruits, but you'll get solid kids that'll make a solid program.

Your indoor practice facility is really nice, might need to get more than 3 sets of dumbbells in the rochelle though, and tighten up the ship here a little bit, all eyes as far as recruiting goes are watching. The sense of entitlement from a program that has been argued as a step down from NDSU is interesting. You realize that a single post on NDSU's forum about this coaching change has more views than there are people in Laramie, in less than 24 hours. The highest post ever, here on wyonation, is 8347 views.... You sure you're ready, im not so sure....

I hope your right. And it's obvious you're a NDSU fan. You have/had a good coach. I commend what he gave to NDSU an I hope your success continues. But, to compare NDSU to Bowling Green and to Ball St. Is kind of funny. One is a constant competitor with bouts of Greatness a level above the Bison (Bowling Green). The other is typically at the top of their conference and generally makes runs as a BCS Buster. And the level of competition that you play from week to week is significantly weaker than even these MAC schools. Sure you occasionally play a team at the FBS level ( Congrats, you beat a struggling K-St team the year). And then play some well rounded and talented schools like Montana. But the vast majority o teams you play would likely be a last place bottom dweller in the Sun Belt. A big reason I wanted someone with FBS in front of their name...

 

[Brew_Poke]

I don't get the Debbie downers and chicken littles either. While I would have loved to see Stitt's offense at Wyoming, there is no way to argue that this hire is not a homerun on paper. 99% of people outside of Wyoming (and who have any clue who Bohl is) are wondering how we were able to land him.

I am excited that in a few years at least we will have a puncher's chance in beating good teams. Beating only crappy teams and getting rolled by every good team we faced for the past 15 years has sucked. Bringing back Wyoming toughness!

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[OrediggerPoke]

I don't get the Debbie downers and chicken littles either. While I would have loved to see Stitt's offense at Wyoming, there is no way to argue that this hire is not a homerun on paper. 99% of people outside of Wyoming (and who have any clue who Bohl is) are wondering how we were able to land him.

I am excited that in a few years at least we will have a puncher's chance in beating good teams. Beating only crappy teams and getting rolled by every good team we faced for the past 15 years has sucked. Bringing back Wyoming toughness!

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Glenn beat teams that on paper were better than us; there is no denying that. Glenn had the ability to get the team to rise up for OOC games against BCS teams. DC beat absolutely no one decent (Fresno State in the NM bowl is his only notable win at all).

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I just want names from the naysayers of who they think we should have hired and WERE INTERESTED:

Please, name our better options.

Tedford was interested and we have all said we would have prefered him in multiple threads but you chose to ignore them

Tedford is rumored to have been interested by 3rd party sources. Bohl was rumored to NOT have been interested.

Hmmmm. Obviously message boards and tweets aren't reliable.

Find me a Tedford quote.

Belotti said "3 or 4 days" ago, he had mentioned he was interested. He was SO interested that he stayed on vacation during the most crucial part of the hiring process. If I reeeeeeally want a job, I'm cutting my vacation short.

That is an unreasonable level of confirmation. If Tedford had been hired, we would have never known Bohl was interested. Someone could have expressed a preference for Bohl and you could have just said "prove that he was interested".

I think Bohl is a good hire, but I can understand fans who wanted a proven FBS HC.

I can understand someone wanting a proven FBS HC as well, I can't understand someone cancelling their season tickets because they didn't get it.

My point above is that with all the ridiculous rumors that went around, we really have no clue if Tedford was interested. Last we all knew, Craig Bohl was far from interested.

So an "unreasonable level of confirmation" is a great way to describe it...and it goes both ways. It's also unreasonable to say Tedford was a sure thing hire and that we passed on him.

 

[NowherePoke]

I just want names from the naysayers of who they think we should have hired and WERE INTERESTED:

Please, name our better options.

Tedford was interested and we have all said we would have prefered him in multiple threads but you chose to ignore them

Tedford is rumored to have been interested by 3rd party sources. Bohl was rumored to NOT have been interested.

Hmmmm. Obviously message boards and tweets aren't reliable.

Find me a Tedford quote.

Belotti said "3 or 4 days" ago, he had mentioned he was interested. He was SO interested that he stayed on vacation during the most crucial part of the hiring process. If I reeeeeeally want a job, I'm cutting my vacation short.

That is an unreasonable level of confirmation. If Tedford had been hired, we would have never known Bohl was interested. Someone could have expressed a preference for Bohl and you could have just said "prove that he was interested".

I think Bohl is a good hire, but I can understand fans who wanted a proven FBS HC.

I can understand someone wanting a proven FBS HC as well, I can't understand someone cancelling their season tickets because they didn't get it.

My point above is that with all the ridiculous rumors that went around, we really have no clue if Tedford was interested. Last as well knew, Craig Bohl was far from interested.

So an "unreasonable level of confirmation" is a great way to describe it...and it goes both ways. It's also unreasonable to say Tedford was a sure thing hire and that we passed on him.

Of course. No such thing as a sure hire, especially for us. Tedford and Bohl are both highly qualified coaches for a MWC HC position. We should be happy that these names were involved in our search.

 

[wyoav211933]

The truth is that any coaching hire brings risk with it. Even Tedford had risks, his last year at Cal was quite bad and he was just as likely to have sent us to another crappy season as he was to have turned us around. I know a few wanted somebody who had FBS HC experience, but the truth is there just probably aren't very many, if any that would want to come here. We sure as heck aren't gonna lure somebody currently coaching, even if it was at a MAC school, and if we go someone currently unemployed like Tedford we get a guy who was essentially run out of town by his last school.

I know the last 20+ years have sucked for athletics, believe me I'm tired of it too, but it's just a gross error to already assume that we are falling for the "same old, good enough" hire here. Yes, Glenn didn't work out the way we would've hoped, but Bohl is not Glenn, and I'm sure he will manage his team different than Glenn. But remember, Glenn was 3-1 vs the SEC including 2 road victories, and helped us to beat UCLA and Virginia, and almost Virginia again, so even if Bohl was only marginally better than Glenn, I think we are in for some good times. And don't forget, Bohl played and was an assistant at FBS schools, so he clearly knows what it takes to play at that level, and he also has led his team of FCS players to victory over FBS schools. Also remember that coaches like Brian Kelly, Mack Brown, Frank Beamer, and many others also coached at FCS or lower before, so to already doom Bohl as Glenn 2.0 is just premature. Could he fail? Sure, but this was an ambitious hire.

 

[Wyo2dal]

This is probably from a media and fan stand point one of the biggest hires in UW history. Most people call it taking a huge step back, That alone tells me a lot that he wanted to be here and he thinks he can win here. I'm sure the money offered helped seal the deal but he has been approached by other schools as well.

Craig Bohl in the FCS world is like Chris Peterson in the FBS world, No matter how you look at this it's his chance to prove he is a FBS level coach so he has more on the line. He left a school that is basically the Auburn/FSU/Alabama of the FCS world. Sure to us we don't pay attention to that but he has more on the line for his coaching career than people realize.

 

[Cowduck]

I will remember my attitude now just fine. My point is just that I don't find Glenn's failure at Wyoming or Bohl's lack of FBS head coaching experience to be particularly compelling arguments against hiring Bohl. Hiring coaches is not an exact science, it's more like alchemy. Nobody can predict what will happen but given what we know now I like this hire. And I say that as someone who preferred Tedford.