What do we do to make sure that doesn't happen again?

[Cosmic Cowboy]

honestly i think we're running outta gas, and it's unfortunate

If this is true then my point 2 becomes even more critical to give breathers to our heavy hitters. I still think we can squeeze more out of this team with rotational folds. It's the kind of thing were you let Barnes or Naughton roll in there for 2 mins or so depending on how it's going (maybe it goes great). If they take it into the paint on us and it looks like they'll score just foul them hard enough so they don't score. Look to play clean enough D if you can and get the board. Similarly on offense when James goes in look to create him enough space to drive. If we get multiple driving options all of sudden we can threaten in multiple ways. The Pokes have to mix it up more, we can't be as one dimensional as the BSU game. We do become more one dimensional against the more athletic teams but there's enough talent to at least mix it up on em. I think we can at least stand our defensive ground a little more with certain lineups.

 

[davidwyo]

First of all, Shyatt hung a banner from the MWC Tourney last year and beat two really good teams in Boise State and SDSU to get there. We got drilled in San Diego and lost at the AA and nobody gave the boys a chance to pull off the miracle upset - but, they did. Enough said.

Second, we are not running out of gas. This is a whole new team that had to learn how to play together, just like the Lakers are doing this year and now nobody is blowing the Lakers out. We are going to peak at just the right time. We have an experienced coaching staff and the confidence from last years tourney to do it again. Play D and hit our f n shots and we will win.

CosmicCowboy - I think we put Barnes and Naughton down low for the first five minutes and make a statement that if you come into the paint your going to get fouled. These two guys are big boys, Barnes is ripped (needs to work on his skills as a big man, like watch Shaq tape over and over and over). Shooters will not crash inside to score if they get clocked a few times. Remember Christian Laettner from Duke? That kid got into peoples heads, even his own team, but it worked. We need these guys to not just be physical but learn some mental toughness. Laettner was hated, but they won and that's all he cared about. This isn't a popularity contest, when teams are booing the big guys, we are winning the battle and putting a little fear into teams that the boys from Wyoming are not soft.

 

[FarmerPoke]

First of all, Shyatt hung a banner from the MWC Tourney last year and beat two really good teams in Boise State and SDSU to get there. We got drilled in San Diego and lost at the AA and nobody gave the boys a chance to pull of the miracle upset - but, they did. Enough said.

Second, we are not running out of gas. This is a whole new team that had to learn how to play together, just like the Lakers are doing this year and now nobody is blowing the Lakers out. We are going to peak at just the right time. We have an experienced coaching staff and the confidence from last years tourney to do it again. Play D and hit our f n shots and we will win.

CosmicCowboy - I think we put Barnes and Naughton down low for the first five minutes and make a statement that if you come into the paint your going to get fouled. These two guys are big boys, Barnes is ripped (needs to work on his skills as a big man, like watch Shaq tape over and over and over). Shooters will not crash inside to score if they get clocked a few times. Remember Christian Laettner from Duke? That kid got into peoples heads, even his own team, but it worked. We need these guys to not just be physical but learn some mental toughness. Laettner was hated, but they won and that's all he cared about. This isn't a popularity contest, when teams are booing the big guys, we are winning the battle and putting a little fear into teams that the boys from Wyoming are not soft.

Are you saying that's what we should do? Or what we currently do? Just curious, cause from a defensive standpoint I think this is the softest team Shyatt has had since he returned. Seems like when we win, it's because we shoot lights out from the outside. If we're not hitting our 3's or Josh isn't carrying us, we really seem to struggle cause doesn't seem like we have that nasty edge on the defensive side anymore. That 2nd half against Boise St was one of the softest performances I've seen in awhile.

 

[307bball]

Does anybody remember the tail end of the McClain/Schroyer years?? That is what cruddy coaching is. If Shyatt ultimately flames out it will be because he consistently could not recruit very well....something that all Wyo coaches struggle with. Look at the lineup that we are rolling out there night in night out...heck look at the lineup last year that won the MWC Tournament...now compare that to the 2000-01 lineup that beat the Zags in the first round in the big dance. Outside of Adams and Nance I would don't think anybody else cracks the rotation on that '01 team. Image Shyatt coaching that team...A bit of defense would actually have been played. Any honest assessment of current talent in the program will reveal the main weakness right now is that we just aren't very good man for man. I really like the guys on the team but they are young, thin, and inexperienced. I loved watching that '01 team but the stuff I scratched my head about that year came back to bite us big time when the talent level flattened out. My point is that if we are going to discuss Coach Shyatt's shortcomings, to me, the conversation begins and ends with recruiting...The man can flat coach...unfortunately in today's D1 environment ...you gotta convince the horses to come and suit up.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Are you saying that's what we should do? Or what we currently do? Just curious, cause from a defensive standpoint I think this is the softest team Shyatt has had since he returned. Seems like when we win, it's because we shoot lights out from the outside. If we're not hitting our 3's or Josh isn't carrying us, we really seem to struggle cause doesn't seem like we have that nasty edge on the defensive side anymore. That 2nd half against Boise St was one of the softest performances I've seen in awhile.

Well as I've stated this whole thread is this is a quick tactics thing. Our bread n butter is the 3 point perimeter game for SURE. It's just when they start rocking us in the paint and consistently threatening the paint we have to secure it more with our BIGS. I hate seeing Webb or Duncan back down a Gorski/undersized guard. I'd rather we at least shutdown those back down plays and take our chances elsewhere. Yes Barnes can get smoked on the low block by a more athletic 4/5 but maybe he can stick with him enough to smack him hard when he's beat. That could be turning 2 to 3 point plays into possible 0,1,or 2 point plays which matters. It also matters just mentality to have some trees in the paint.
I'm not saying hey Barnes and Naughton need 15 mins even though yeah maybe Naughton. I'm saying they need to at least each get 7 mins and up I think. I feel like our wins are more nuanced then they can seem with the casual eye. It's taken me sometime to catch it but I think it's one of our issues.

 

[JimmyDimes]

All 4 senior starters from last years MWC tournament championship team have signed professional contracts. And, there is a very good chance Josh will as well. These guys, minus Adams and Hankerson were part of Shyatt's first class. Pretty impressive that all of his recruits, so far, are playing professional basketball.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Does anybody remember the tail end of the McClain/Schroyer years?? That is what cruddy coaching is. If Shyatt ultimately flames out it will be because he consistently could not recruit very well....something that all Wyo coaches struggle with. Look at the lineup that we are rolling out there night in night out...heck look at the lineup last year that won the MWC Tournament...now compare that to the 2000-01 lineup that beat the Zags in the first round in the big dance. Outside of Adams and Nance I would don't think anybody else cracks the rotation on that '01 team. Image Shyatt coaching that team...A bit of defense would actually have been played. Any honest assessment of current talent in the program will reveal the main weakness right now is that we just aren't very good man for man. I really like the guys on the team but they are young, thin, and inexperienced. I loved watching that '01 team but the stuff I scratched my head about that year came back to bite us big time when the talent level flattened out. My point is that if we are going to discuss Coach Shyatt's shortcomings, to me, the conversation begins and ends with recruiting...The man can flat coach...unfortunately in today's D1 environment ...you gotta convince the horses to come and suit up.

I don't think Adams LAST SEASON would have started on that 00-01 team. He would have been probably first off the bench. Adams THIS SEASON would start. I don't think Nance would have started on that team. Who would he bump? Uche? Josh Davis? Bailey? He may be a first off the bench kind of player too... That team was HUGE and skilled and so damn dominate. Its hard to see anyone on this team truly contributing. Adams would probably see time, Nance would spell Davis I think. Thats a tough thought to think that a current NBA player and arguably the best player we've had in 2 decades wouldnt have been a starter on that team. I don't think he would have though

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

I don't think Adams LAST SEASON would have started on that 00-01 team. He would have been probably first off the bench. Adams THIS SEASON would start. I don't think Nance would have started on that team. Who would he bump? Uche? Josh Davis? Bailey? He may be a first off the bench kind of player too... That team was HUGE and skilled and so damn dominate. Its hard to see anyone on this team truly contributing. Adams would probably see time, Nance would spell Davis I think. Thats a tough thought to think that a current NBA player and arguably the best player we've had in 2 decades wouldnt have been a starter on that team. I don't think he would have though

Nance vs Davis would be an awesome matchup! I bet Nance could hang with him, Josh was better outside then Nance. No way either of those dudes backs down from each other!!!! Adams would've made that team better then it was. You think Adams is worse then Jay Straight???? GTFOH!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Josh Adam>Donta Richardson as well. I loved Donta and Jay was pretty good as well I just think Mcclain didn't develop talent at all. DC seems like maybe an improved Mingo...MAYBE. Uche was awesome and we haven't had a center like that since.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I don't think Adams LAST SEASON would have started on that 00-01 team. He would have been probably first off the bench. Adams THIS SEASON would start. I don't think Nance would have started on that team. Who would he bump? Uche? Josh Davis? Bailey? He may be a first off the bench kind of player too... That team was HUGE and skilled and so damn dominate. Its hard to see anyone on this team truly contributing. Adams would probably see time, Nance would spell Davis I think. Thats a tough thought to think that a current NBA player and arguably the best player we've had in 2 decades wouldnt have been a starter on that team. I don't think he would have though

Nance vs Davis would be an awesome matchup! I bet Nance could hang with him, Josh was better outside then Nance. No way either of those dudes backs down from each other!!!! Adams would've made that team better then it was. You think Adams is worse then Jay Straight???? GTFO!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

As a pure PG yes. As an all around athlete, scorer, total package threat, NO

 

[elfletcho]

Uche was terrible. Guy couldn't hit half his free throws and could only dunk under the basket. Nance starts over him every day. Pre-knee injury Ugo was bad ass. His cousin not so much. Also would take Adams every day over ballhog Dontae.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Does anybody remember the tail end of the McClain/Schroyer years?? That is what cruddy coaching is. If Shyatt ultimately flames out it will be because he consistently could not recruit very well....something that all Wyo coaches struggle with. Look at the lineup that we are rolling out there night in night out...heck look at the lineup last year that won the MWC Tournament...now compare that to the 2000-01 lineup that beat the Zags in the first round in the big dance. Outside of Adams and Nance I would don't think anybody else cracks the rotation on that '01 team. Image Shyatt coaching that team...A bit of defense would actually have been played. Any honest assessment of current talent in the program will reveal the main weakness right now is that we just aren't very good man for man. I really like the guys on the team but they are young, thin, and inexperienced. I loved watching that '01 team but the stuff I scratched my head about that year came back to bite us big time when the talent level flattened out. My point is that if we are going to discuss Coach Shyatt's shortcomings, to me, the conversation begins and ends with recruiting...The man can flat coach...unfortunately in today's D1 environment ...you gotta convince the horses to come and suit up.

I don't think Adams LAST SEASON would have started on that 00-01 team. He would have been probably first off the bench. Adams THIS SEASON would start. I don't think Nance would have started on that team. Who would he bump? Uche? Josh Davis? Bailey? He may be a first off the bench kind of player too... That team was HUGE and skilled and so damn dominate. Its hard to see anyone on this team truly contributing. Adams would probably see time, Nance would spell Davis I think. Thats a tough thought to think that a current NBA player and arguably the best player we've had in 2 decades wouldnt have been a starter on that team. I don't think he would have though

Nance would most definitely start.....probably over Uche. Josh too....maybe over Richardson. Different time, different make-up. That was a good team. Too bad McClain decided he wanted to coach somewhere else and hung it up.

 

[LanderPoke]

Does anybody remember the tail end of the McClain/Schroyer years?? That is what cruddy coaching is. If Shyatt ultimately flames out it will be because he consistently could not recruit very well....something that all Wyo coaches struggle with. Look at the lineup that we are rolling out there night in night out...heck look at the lineup last year that won the MWC Tournament...now compare that to the 2000-01 lineup that beat the Zags in the first round in the big dance. Outside of Adams and Nance I would don't think anybody else cracks the rotation on that '01 team. Image Shyatt coaching that team...A bit of defense would actually have been played. Any honest assessment of current talent in the program will reveal the main weakness right now is that we just aren't very good man for man. I really like the guys on the team but they are young, thin, and inexperienced. I loved watching that '01 team but the stuff I scratched my head about that year came back to bite us big time when the talent level flattened out. My point is that if we are going to discuss Coach Shyatt's shortcomings, to me, the conversation begins and ends with recruiting...The man can flat coach...unfortunately in today's D1 environment ...you gotta convince the horses to come and suit up.

I don't think Adams LAST SEASON would have started on that 00-01 team. He would have been probably first off the bench. Adams THIS SEASON would start. I don't think Nance would have started on that team. Who would he bump? Uche? Josh Davis? Bailey? He may be a first off the bench kind of player too... That team was HUGE and skilled and so damn dominate. Its hard to see anyone on this team truly contributing. Adams would probably see time, Nance would spell Davis I think. Thats a tough thought to think that a current NBA player and arguably the best player we've had in 2 decades wouldnt have been a starter on that team. I don't think he would have though

Nance would've sent Josh Davis to the bench

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Uche was terrible. Guy couldn't hit half his free throws and could only dunk under the basket. Nance starts over him every day. Pre-knee injury Ugo was bad ass. His cousin not so much. Also would take Adams every day over ballhog Dontae.

Haha. No way! UCHE would rag doll Nance and Cooke. Uche was enormous and had way more skill than you're giving him credit for. He had a very long professional career overseas with many accolades and awards. I don't see Nance starting over him.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Uche was terrible. Guy couldn't hit half his free throws and could only dunk under the basket. Nance starts over him every day. Pre-knee injury Ugo was bad ass. His cousin not so much. Also would take Adams every day over ballhog Dontae.

Uche would destroy our current team in the paint. YIKES think about that :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

 

[JimmyDimes]

Uche was terrible. Guy couldn't hit half his free throws and could only dunk under the basket. Nance starts over him every day. Pre-knee injury Ugo was bad ass. His cousin not so much. Also would take Adams every day over ballhog Dontae.

Haha. No way! UCHE would rag doll Nance and Cooke. Uche was enormous and had way more skill than you're giving him credit for. He had a very long professional career overseas with many accolades and awards. I don't see Nance starting over him.

Nance is a better defensive player and a better offensive player. Uche was probably a better rebounder, but not by much.

Uche played overseas....Nance was a 1st round NBA draft pick.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Uche was terrible. Guy couldn't hit half his free throws and could only dunk under the basket. Nance starts over him every day. Pre-knee injury Ugo was bad ass. His cousin not so much. Also would take Adams every day over ballhog Dontae.

Haha. No way! UCHE would rag doll Nance and Cooke. Uche was enormous and had way more skill than you're giving him credit for. He had a very long professional career overseas with many accolades and awards. I don't see Nance starting over him.

Nance is a better defensive player and a better offensive player. Uche was probably a better rebounder, but not by much.

Uche played overseas....Nance was a 1st round NBA draft pick.

You're trying to compare a TRUE 5 from the late 90s to a FLEX 3-4 of 2015. Teams back then need a true anchor Center. Nance was not that. Davis was not that. Uche and Ugo were true 5s.

Did Dontae Richardson start on that team at the 2 as a sophomore?

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Hey guys are you ready for this??? I just looked up the stats http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/wyoming/2002.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That horrible FT shooting Uche actually had a better FT percentage then gulp......Josh Davis!!! Yep Nance over Davis for sure!!! Josh Adams for SURE better then Donta and Jay...FO SHO! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

Where the 01-02 excelled over last years team was overall depth. A heavy hitting big bench that wasn't a massive downgrade from the starters. They would beat last years team probably 7 to 8 times out of 10 imo.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Hey guys are you ready for this??? I just looked up the stats http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/wyoming/2002.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That horrible FT shooting Uche actually had a better FT percentage then gulp......Josh Davis!!! Yep Nance over Davis for sure!!! Josh Adams for SURE better then Donta and Jay...FO SHO! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Uche has better stats at some places than Nance.

Through 3 Season Uche averaged:
.554 field goal average
.627 free throw average
763 Total Rebounds (254 per season)
12.0 Points Per Game
8.7 Rebounds Per Game

Final 4 Season Nance Averaged:
.521 field goal average
.771 free throw average (thats a huge difference)
808 total rebounds (202 per season)
11.3 Points Per Game
6.6 Rebounds per game.

I think the stats bear out that Nance was NOT the far superior player. Yes I know, stats don't always tell the whole story and I am not saying Nance wasnt a complete stud because he was, without question. But he would not have started at the 5, over Uche. Uche was much better than given credit for.

Plus, the strength of schedule of Uche's career was a 3.36, Nance's was 2.06. Uche and his teams played significantly harder teams than Nance and his teams.

I love these kind of talks!

 

[Adv8RU12]

Uche would destroy our current team in the paint. YIKES think about that :yikes: :yikes:

Yes, but really - that's not saying much at all. Almost everybody destroys the Pokes in the paint.