We brought Bohl in to get tougher and better.

[BeaverPoke]

Now blow some more smoke up people's asses because you go to class with a jock and apparently do nothing but ask them questions all day and get lied to.

Just one player, and that player was Thompson.

And what are the things he lied to me about? Brett going to the NFL, and Thompson NOT transferring.

Did he lie to me or did circumstances change?
When he told me those things, Brett hadn't submitted the paperwork for the draft evaluation.
And DC wasn't the OC at Utah.

Maybe Thompson knew what was happening, and was lying, but that would seem kind of a reach to know Brett would get the grade he did, and know DC would end up in a Pac12 school and then convince Thompson to go.

Like I said, last time I talked to Thompson, he said he wanted NDSU to lose in the playoffs early so that Bohl could get here sooner.

 

[BeaverPoke]

And I would like to point out, starting more shit with me about this won't change the fact that Thompson is at Utah, and Smith is going to the NFL so why instigate more crap?

That, and if these guys aren't Cowboy Tough enough for you guys, why do you give a shit that they are gone?

Saddle up and get ready for a 3 win season, but be happy because it was Cowboy Tough.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

I don't give a shit that he's gone. That was the point of the thread. He couldn't hack it in Laramie and he left. The team got tougher when he did. It's part of the process. Quitters quit.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I don't give a shit that he's gone. That was the point of the thread. He couldn't hack it in Laramie and he left. The team got tougher when he did. It's part of the process. Quitters quit.

Fair enough, but here's a serious question. How many of the current Wyo players would leave to go to a BCS school if they got the chance?

I think the number would be incredibly high. Most of these players are here because we are the only FBS team to offer them.

I do think that Bohl will change that attitude, and I think DC is a big reason the kids think that way.
He saw Wyoming as small-time college football, and it rubbed off on his players.

Perfect example? One of the kids in my class (I have NO idea what his name was, and I think he got in trouble with the team at one point so he wasn't traveling to road games), told me after the loss to Texas State after I asked what happened down there, told me that "Well Texas State is automatically going to have an advantage over us because they have all those Texas players".

I thought that was one of the most "pussy" or cowardly things a member of the football team could say.

How in the hell does Texas State have more talent than Wyo? It's not about what state the college is in, it's about what conference. MWC talent is head and shoulders above Sun Belt or whatever Texas State is in.

But that's not how the players see it. They say that the players attitude is a reflection of the coaches.

DC sent the message that Wyo was small-time and the players believe it.

 

[Pokes Forever]

Pokes Forever,

I do understand what Cowboy Tough is, and I am extremely excited for Coach Bohl to bring it back.
All I was saying is that, just because someone leaves for a bigger school doesn't mean they aren't tough.
I just get annoyed with keyboard warriors calling out kids and saying they aren't tough enough to be here. Maybe it's them who don't understand what "Cowboy Tough" is.

And I am also trying to show a different perspective to you guys as to why these players left. I don't like why they left, but they did, and just calling them names, and going on rants about how they aren't tough enough to play Wyo football is dumb.
Utah without a doubt has more "tough" players than Wyo has.
We are full of players that ONLY had FCS offers, so they should not be the definition of Cowboy Tough.
How is upgrading (ACS to SEC, B-Smith to NFL, and Thompson to Pac12) not being tough?

Like I said....don't blame Smith and ACS and Thompson.......if they want to leave their wife of two years for an UGLY rich girl it speaks volumes as to the type of individuals they are.....how's ACS making out with the trial?

 

[Cowboy Junky]

You're acting like no one at Wyoming had a chance to go anywhere else. Do you think Brett Smith could have picked any school in America to transfer too after his freshmen or sophomore year? What about John Fletcher or Mitch Unrein, Tashaun Gibson, Derrik Martin, Jay Novacek....There's a lot of football players at Wyoming that could have quit and transferred to a bigger school.

Thompson is quitting to go to a school that is probably going to fire it's head coach this year and isn't likely to have a winning season the entire time he's there. That should tell you how much he liked Laramie.

Bohl was brought in to bring back Cowboy Toughness and to win MWC titles. He's one step closer to the first part today. I'm not sold that we're going to finish 3-9 without Thompson. I'll have faith that the new staff we just hired actually knows what they're doing.

Make no mistake though: Cowboy football is tougher today then it was yesterday, even though we'll miss the perfectly picked fro and diamond earrings that Thompson brought to Wyoming football.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I get what you are saying, but if Vandy and Utah are the ugly rich girl, Wyo is an ugly poor girl.

 

[Pokes Forever]

I get what you are saying, but if Vandy and Utah are the ugly rich girl, Wyo is an ugly poor girl.

Agreed that is who we are right now........but we have hopefully a coach that will turn that ugly duckling into a swan and Utah still has Whittingham/DC/Dennid Erickson (another proven lowlife) and Vandy did their once a decade this year so when we are competing for the MWC in a few years, Utah and Vandy will still be Ugly!

 

[Wyo2dal]

Hey Beaver... What happened to all this inside info you had that neither Smith or Thompson weren't going anywhere??

He did have inside info....its not like he can force them to be truthful.

That isn't true, He said Brett said he wouldn't play for another college team and he isn't.

 

[SnowyRange]

Quite a bit of vitriol about Thompson's choice. I don't get it.

The young man wants to try his hand somewhere else. More power to him. Since he wants to go elsewhere, he's no good to us in any event, so let's wish him luck and focus on trying to succeed with those who want to play here.

As for this loyalty thing: Thompson got a one year scholarship, like every other player, and, like every other player, he can be cut loose at the end of every year. UW parcels out its loyalty in one year chunks. This is not a business -- and make no mistake, it's a business -- of loyalty. It's a business of what can you do for us now. (Imagine his laughter at the idea of UW "loyalty" -- we just fired a guy we agreed to employ for the next two years.)

So Thompson is just doing what every adult in this business does, and is entitled to do: trying to figure out what is best for himself as situations change, as he tries to navigate this weird landscape.

 

[McPeachy]

Quite a bit of vitriol about Thompson's choice. I don't get it.

The young man wants to try his hand somewhere else. More power to him. Since he wants to go elsewhere, he's no good to us in any event, so let's wish him luck and focus on trying to succeed with those who want to play here.

As for this loyalty thing: Thompson got a one year scholarship, like every other player, and, like every other player, he can be cut loose at the end of every year. UW parcels out its loyalty in one year chunks. This is not a business -- and make no mistake, it's a business -- of loyalty. It's a business of what can you do for us now. (Imagine his laughter at the idea of UW "loyalty" -- we just fired a guy we agreed to employ for the next two years.)

So Thompson is just doing what every adult in this business does, and is entitled to do: trying to figure out what is best for himself as situations change, as he tries to navigate this weird landscape.

Loyalty / Quitting / Transferring / Etc. It is a bitter topic for most fans, and most fanbases, that are passionate about their team. Wyoming is clearly no different in that regard.

That said, anyone that has been alive for more than 40 years (rough estimate) has seen a transition in college sports. And that transition is one that players today, quit - move - transfer - etc. Players in 70's and before (and possibly 80's +) didn't do that shit. They stuck with their commitment and followed the whole thing through.

As a D Lineman from the 1976 Fiesta Bowl team told me not so long ago - "if I would have transferred out of Wyoming, and quit to go elsewhere, my parents would have absolutely killed me". That mentality doesn't exist any longer. This whole fucked up generation of "what have you done for me lately - I want it and I want it now" is a GD joke.

/rant (that could have been a ton longer btw)

 

[BJC]

Quite a bit of vitriol about Thompson's choice. I don't get it.

The young man wants to try his hand somewhere else. More power to him. Since he wants to go elsewhere, he's no good to us in any event, so let's wish him luck and focus on trying to succeed with those who want to play here.

As for this loyalty thing: Thompson got a one year scholarship, like every other player, and, like every other player, he can be cut loose at the end of every year. UW parcels out its loyalty in one year chunks. This is not a business -- and make no mistake, it's a business -- of loyalty. It's a business of what can you do for us now. (Imagine his laughter at the idea of UW "loyalty" -- we just fired a guy we agreed to employ for the next two years.)

So Thompson is just doing what every adult in this business does, and is entitled to do: trying to figure out what is best for himself as situations change, as he tries to navigate this weird landscape.

blows......but true

 

[POKE FAN]

After today's news we're definitely not better, but we're certainly tougher. You have to weed out the guys that aren't tough enough to play in Laramie(or Fargo).

I know this is bad news but I'm going to take the glass half full approach on this one. It's a process and weeding out the pussies is part of the process.

To dovetail with your comments, here is a preview of Coach Bohl's press conference today at 4:00 PM through the words of Mike Singletary:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWuUGG_Ujf8[/youtube]

 

[stymeman]

it's all about creating an O Line that can "protect the QB" once we have that then all things workout all around, my big thing is you won't know you like Laramie until you get to Laramie, but I will guarantee one thing if you give us all you got we'll give you all we got in return, if you don't then so be it, and thanx for playing but don't quit us, make an effort. I'm thinking there's alot of O linemen that wanted to come to NDSU that would probably be chompin at the bit to play "d1" for UW, so hopefully all can be taken care of.

 

[Slow Hand]

Be careful what you ask for because if you think that he is here to make us "tougher", whatever the hell that means, then it is going to be uncomfortable before it can be stated that we have reached that milestone. In order to make a tree grow it has to be pruned...so prepare yourself for some decisions and outcomes that may be perceived as hurtful to the program.. You are going to have to have unbridled trust in the decisions that he and his staff make as unpopular as they may seem. We will see how supportive this fan base is in a year or two. As Coach Boone says..."its like Novocain...just give it time"

 

[J-Rod]

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Its gonna take time. First step is this ^^^^

 

[braves84]

totally agree with beaver poke on this, you guys get all over acs and thompson who want to try and move on to higher level, yet to applaud coach bohl like a savior of your program when he in fact walked away from his contract with ndsu for the almighty dollars and no other reason.I not faulting him for doing so cause he can do what's best for him and his family but the double standard kind of gets old.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

totally agree with beaver poke on this, you guys get all over acs and thompson who want to try and move on to higher level, yet to applaud coach bohl like a savior of your program when he in fact walked away from his contract with ndsu for the almighty dollars and no other reason.I not faulting him for doing so cause he can do what's best for him and his family but the double standard kind of gets old.

So by that standard, the NDSU fans shouldn't be pissed when countless NDSU commits, recruits, and scholarship players decide to leave Fargo for Laramie to follow Bohl/company.

ACS didn't leave to get to a higher level. He left because his helicopter mother and himself couldn't take the beating that TCU was going to put on him in Fort Worth. Brett Smith got speared by Tank Carter three times when he played them. That didn't stop him from getting up and playing. There's a big difference.

Saying the team is tougher because Thompson left isn't a double standard. It's truth. The kid has been trying to leave since he got here. Quitters on the team foster more quitters on the team. It's better for the team to cut out the cancer as soon as you see it.