Vernon Transferring

[Bryoming]

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[Bryoming]

Terrible news. I was really looking forward to seeing what Keonta could do on the court. This also doesn't help our post depth one bit.

 

[NowherePoke]

Not a surprise, but disappointing nonetheless.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Not going to complain about it. Basically, I think he is transferring because he isn't getting playing time. That means he isn't a team player.

Another thing is he is undersized for his position. This gives Larry some flexibility in regards to how he wants to use Vernon's scholarship. This could be helpful considering the uncertainty surrounds Nance's recovery.

Good luck Keonta.

Go Pokes!!

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Hopefully he goes after a juco big who can play. Or a transfer player. It boggles my mind teams like CSU get big school transfers and we diddle along with our thumbs up our butts. Start making moves coach

 

[VisorHair]

Shoot, who is gonna bitch about other player's playing time on twitter now?

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

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Not upset about it at all. Keonta Vernon at 6-5 was going to be counted on constantly going up against bigger guys is and this philosophy is DOA in my opinion. Hopefully Coach Shyatt has learned that loading his team up with 6-4 to 6-6 guys is not getting it done in this league....there are way too many teams with talented 6-8 to 6-9 guys that are eating us alive on the backboards. Also if Keonta Vernon was transferring to a higher school that would be one thing, but he is transferring down and tells me a lot. I just hope that Coach Shyatt LEARNS from his recruiting mistakes of the past few years and realizes that he has to have players with higher talent ready to go in when players like Larry Nance need to take a break.

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

Hopefully he goes after a juco big who can play. Or a transfer player. It boggles my mind teams like CSU get big school transfers and we diddle along with our thumbs up our butts. Start making moves coach

Agree 100%

 

[JimmyDimes]

Hopefully he goes after a juco big who can play. Or a transfer player. It boggles my mind teams like CSU get big school transfers and we diddle along with our thumbs up our butts. Start making moves coach

I think it is a coaching philosophy. Eustachey seems to like a lot of transfers....Larry only when the fit is there.

 

[NowherePoke]

Not going to complain about it. Basically, I think he is transferring because he isn't getting playing time. That means he isn't a team player.

Another thing is he is undersized for his position. This gives Larry some flexibility in regards to how he wants to use Vernon's scholarship. This could be helpful considering the uncertainty surrounds Nance's recovery.

Good luck Keonta.

Go Pokes!!

Not sure how playing time is relevant. He was redshirting this year. If he stayed at UW he would have 4 years to play, he will only get to play 3 at NAU after sitting out a year.

 

[TheRealUW]

Hopefully he goes after a juco big who can play. Or a transfer player. It boggles my mind teams like CSU get big school transfers and we diddle along with our thumbs up our butts. Start making moves coach

Technically, this doesn't open up a scholarship for next year. Remember, we signed 3 players with only 2 seniors leaving. However, one would assume that Shyatt did not sign that extra recruit knowing Vernon would transfer. The reason he signed that extra recruit may very well still be in play. If that's the case, then an extra scholarship would indeed be available.

One of the recruits from the most recent class, Dionte Jones, is a near mirror image of Vernon. He may be listed as a small forward on some recruiting sites, but he is really an undersized power forward. Honestly, I don't think we needed both of them on the team anyways.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Not going to complain about it. Basically, I think he is transferring because he isn't getting playing time. That means he isn't a team player.

Another thing is he is undersized for his position. This gives Larry some flexibility in regards to how he wants to use Vernon's scholarship. This could be helpful considering the uncertainty surrounds Nance's recovery.

Good luck Keonta.

Go Pokes!!

Not sure how playing time is relevant. He was redshirting this year. If he stayed at UW he would have 4 years to play, he will only get to play 3 at NAU after sitting out a year.

He didn't start the season as a redshirt....as he dressed for every game and was available to play. I think the redshirt designation came later. But it is probably for something else.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Hopefully he goes after a juco big who can play. Or a transfer player. It boggles my mind teams like CSU get big school transfers and we diddle along with our thumbs up our butts. Start making moves coach

Technically, this doesn't open up a scholarship for next year. Remember, we signed 3 players with only 2 seniors leaving. However, one would assume that Shyatt did not sign that extra recruit knowing Vernon would transfer. The reason he signed that extra recruit may very well still be in play. If that's the case, then an extra scholarship would indeed be available.

One of the recruits from the most recent class, Dionte Jones, is a near mirror image of Vernon. He may be listed as a small forward on some recruiting sites, but he is really an undersized power forward. Honestly, I don't think we needed both of them on the team anyways.

I'm pretty sure Jones is being recruited as a SF. He does have an inch over Keonta however.

 

[NowherePoke]

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Not upset about it at all. Keonta Vernon at 6-5 was going to be counted on constantly going up against bigger guys is and this philosophy is DOA in my opinion. Hopefully Coach Shyatt has learned that loading his team up with 6-4 to 6-6 guys is not getting it done in this league....there are way too many teams with talented 6-8 to 6-9 guys that are eating us alive on the backboards. Also if Keonta Vernon was transferring to a higher school that would be one thing, but he is transferring down and tells me a lot. I just hope that Coach Shyatt LEARNS from his recruiting mistakes of the past few years and realizes that he has to have players with higher talent ready to go in when players like Larry Nance need to take a break.

Disagree. Height is overrated. We are getting killed on the glass because we play 4 guards and our frontcourt players lack the bulk and/or technique to block out properly.

Plenty of very skilled, productive rebounders that have played at UW or in the MWC at Vernon's size. Pierce Hornung, Tyson Johnson, etc.

I don't know how Vernon was going to develop so I am not necessarily saying he was going to become someone like that, but give me a 6'6" guy with bulk and athleticism over a 6'9" string bean. Basically I would have bet a large sum of money that Vernon would have been more productive in the MWC than Austin Haldorson if both stayed at UW.

In terms of Shyatt's recruiting mistakes and talent, from what I have seen we shouldn't lump Vernon in there. He may never play at NAU and I don't know what types of attitude issues and other distractions he brings, but he had the size, strength and athleticism to compete in the MWC. I can't honestly say that about several other players on the roster.

In terms of transferring down, the transfer up opportunities usually only exist for 5th year graduating players that can play right away and proven contributors. Nobody in the PAC-12 is going to take a guy that just redshirted for a year at Wyoming. Doesn't mean he can't play at the MWC level.

Honestly, there are at least 4 other scholarship players that I believe are less equipped to assist us in the MWC than Vernon. This makes the program weaker.

Someone had to leave since we were oversigned by one, but this was not the optimal choice from a purely basketball talent standpoint (might have made sense for off the court reasons though).

 

[NowherePoke]

Not going to complain about it. Basically, I think he is transferring because he isn't getting playing time. That means he isn't a team player.

Another thing is he is undersized for his position. This gives Larry some flexibility in regards to how he wants to use Vernon's scholarship. This could be helpful considering the uncertainty surrounds Nance's recovery.

Good luck Keonta.

Go Pokes!!

Not sure how playing time is relevant. He was redshirting this year. If he stayed at UW he would have 4 years to play, he will only get to play 3 at NAU after sitting out a year.

He didn't start the season as a redshirt....as he dressed for every game and was available to play. I think the redshirt designation came later. But it is probably for something else.

Shyatt announced in December that he would redshirt, so it was pretty early in the season.

 

[Aaron]

Well whatever. If he is a twat we don't need him

 

[NowherePoke]

Hopefully he goes after a juco big who can play. Or a transfer player. It boggles my mind teams like CSU get big school transfers and we diddle along with our thumbs up our butts. Start making moves coach

Technically, this doesn't open up a scholarship for next year. Remember, we signed 3 players with only 2 seniors leaving. However, one would assume that Shyatt did not sign that extra recruit knowing Vernon would transfer. The reason he signed that extra recruit may very well still be in play. If that's the case, then an extra scholarship would indeed be available.

One of the recruits from the most recent class, Dionte Jones, is a near mirror image of Vernon. He may be listed as a small forward on some recruiting sites, but he is really an undersized power forward. Honestly, I don't think we needed both of them on the team anyways.

I'm pretty sure Jones is being recruited as a SF. He does have an inch over Keonta however.

He could be recruited as a SF, but he plays the 4/5 in high school. Doesn't appear to have much range on his shot (he has hit 3/18 from beyond the arc against HS competition this year).

As I mentioned in the other post, I don't necessarily mind an undersized 4. My main concern with Jones is that he is of a lighter build than Vernon.

 

[stymeman]

thanx for coming, remember it snows and is cold and very similar to Laramie (Flagstaff), happy trails

 

[PotatoCreekPete]

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Not upset about it at all. Keonta Vernon at 6-5 was going to be counted on constantly going up against bigger guys is and this philosophy is DOA in my opinion. Hopefully Coach Shyatt has learned that loading his team up with 6-4 to 6-6 guys is not getting it done in this league....there are way too many teams with talented 6-8 to 6-9 guys that are eating us alive on the backboards. Also if Keonta Vernon was transferring to a higher school that would be one thing, but he is transferring down and tells me a lot. I just hope that Coach Shyatt LEARNS from his recruiting mistakes of the past few years and realizes that he has to have players with higher talent ready to go in when players like Larry Nance need to take a break.

Disagree. Height is overrated. We are getting killed on the glass because we play 4 guards and our frontcourt players lack the bulk and/or technique to block out properly.

Plenty of very skilled, productive rebounders that have played at UW or in the MWC at Vernon's size. Pierce Hornung, Tyson Johnson, etc.

I don't know how Vernon was going to develop so I am not necessarily saying he was going to become someone like that, but give me a 6'6" guy with bulk and athleticism over a 6'9" string bean. Basically I would have bet a large sum of money that Vernon would have been more productive in the MWC than Austin Haldorson if both stayed at UW.

In terms of Shyatt's recruiting mistakes and talent, from what I have seen we shouldn't lump Vernon in there. He may never play at NAU and I don't know what types of attitude issues and other distractions he brings, but he had the size, strength and athleticism to compete in the MWC. I can't honestly say that about several other players on the roster.

In terms of transferring down, the transfer up opportunities usually only exist for 5th year graduating players that can play right away and proven contributors. Nobody in the PAC-12 is going to take a guy that just redshirted for a year at Wyoming. Doesn't mean he can't play at the MWC level.

Honestly, there are at least 4 other scholarship players that I believe are less equipped to assist us in the MWC than Vernon. This makes the program weaker.

Someone had to leave since we were oversigned by one, but this was not the optimal choice from a purely basketball talent standpoint (might have made sense for off the court reasons though).

Nowhere, we still were getting killed when we were playing with 3 guards and 2 bigs. Height is so over rated that is why teams like New Mexico and San Diego St. recruit a bunch of guys at the 6-8 to 6-9 size....why because it is easier to rebound if you are already closer to the basket, just common sense. Secondly, the truth be told Wyoming has been forced to recruiting 6-5 and 6-6 kids because they are undersized for their positions and teams like San Diego St. and New Mexico PASS ON THEM, so we go after them since we can't compete against them for the 6-8 and 6-9 kids. Wyoming has failed miserably at getting the 6-8 and 6-9 impact kids!!!!

By the way, your comment made it sound like Haldorson is leaving, do you know something that the rest of us don't?

 

[JimmyDimes]

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Not upset about it at all. Keonta Vernon at 6-5 was going to be counted on constantly going up against bigger guys is and this philosophy is DOA in my opinion. Hopefully Coach Shyatt has learned that loading his team up with 6-4 to 6-6 guys is not getting it done in this league....there are way too many teams with talented 6-8 to 6-9 guys that are eating us alive on the backboards. Also if Keonta Vernon was transferring to a higher school that would be one thing, but he is transferring down and tells me a lot. I just hope that Coach Shyatt LEARNS from his recruiting mistakes of the past few years and realizes that he has to have players with higher talent ready to go in when players like Larry Nance need to take a break.

Disagree. Height is overrated. We are getting killed on the glass because we play 4 guards and our frontcourt players lack the bulk and/or technique to block out properly.

Plenty of very skilled, productive rebounders that have played at UW or in the MWC at Vernon's size. Pierce Hornung, Tyson Johnson, etc.

I don't know how Vernon was going to develop so I am not necessarily saying he was going to become someone like that, but give me a 6'6" guy with bulk and athleticism over a 6'9" string bean. Basically I would have bet a large sum of money that Vernon would have been more productive in the MWC than Austin Haldorson if both stayed at UW.

In terms of Shyatt's recruiting mistakes and talent, from what I have seen we shouldn't lump Vernon in there. He may never play at NAU and I don't know what types of attitude issues and other distractions he brings, but he had the size, strength and athleticism to compete in the MWC. I can't honestly say that about several other players on the roster.

In terms of transferring down, the transfer up opportunities usually only exist for 5th year graduating players that can play right away and proven contributors. Nobody in the PAC-12 is going to take a guy that just redshirted for a year at Wyoming. Doesn't mean he can't play at the MWC level.

Honestly, there are at least 4 other scholarship players that I believe are less equipped to assist us in the MWC than Vernon. This makes the program weaker.

Someone had to leave since we were oversigned by one, but this was not the optimal choice from a purely basketball talent standpoint (might have made sense for off the court reasons though).

Nowhere, we still were getting killed when we were playing with 3 guards and 2 bigs. Height is so over rated that is why teams like New Mexico and San Diego St. recruit a bunch of guys at the 6-8 to 6-9 size....why because it is easier to rebound if you are already closer to the basket, just common sense. Secondly, the truth be told Wyoming has been forced to recruiting 6-5 and 6-6 kids because they are undersized for their positions and teams like San Diego St. and New Mexico PASS ON THEM, so we go after them since we can't compete against them for the 6-8 and 6-9 kids. Wyoming has failed miserably at getting the 6-8 and 6-9 impact kids!!!!

By the way, your comment made it sound like Haldorson is leaving, do you know something that the rest of us don't?

In the past two classes we've signed a 6'9" kid and a 6'10"......we recruit the 6-5, 6-6 players to play SF not center or PF (except for Vernon). In fact, Vernon was the only undersized player on the team for their position. Both Nance and Cooke are PF's and are 6'8" and 6"9" respectively. One of those guys has made a pretty good impact in my opinion...and remember, Shyatt has only recruited 2 1/2 classes that have been able to play so far. That isn't a great sample size when it comes to saying "we have failed miserably".

Let's also not forget that around two weeks ago we were the hottest team in the conference and playing some good ball. Beat the #5 team in the nation and took the #25 team to OT twice.