TVW

[ELKMT]

It’s the refusal to change on the run the ball even when that isn’t making any gains. He wasted Josh Allen by making him throw 3rd and 8 for half of his passes. He’s in charge of the offense and didn’t notice that Nico was a great rb? I call bullshit that a player miracously became great over a summer. So yes Vigen sucks at player evaluation and play calling, he is a good recruiter of QBs though. That’s your trade off. Remember also that he thought Josh Allen deserved to be benched over the QB from Indiana.

 

[laxwyo]

What we saw of TVW on the last two drives is what we haven't seen all year and what has been missing. That is the ability to extend plays allowing for open windows to develop and an ability to deliver the ball accurately on the run. Before Air Force, TVW looked horrible with his decision making and with his throws on the move.

The Air Force game showed me that he has that potential to make plays on the move which will be crucial to his success. He has the physical tools, there is no question about that. But if he can't consistently make those throws on the move, he is unlikely to have much success.

The focus on 'vigen this' and 'vigen that' as if that is the sole solution to Wyoming's offensive issues gets pretty annoying. I certainly believe there are plenty of better coordinators out there; however, give the guy credit for completing changing his scheme now twice in the last few weeks to try and fit the guy under center.

Everyone is giving Vigen credit for it this time. Thing is, its the only time he has shown that he can/is willing to do it. Its like the first time he even realized that it is even possible to change the scheme is when Chambers came in. Good on him for finally making some adjustments, but he's got a short leash (we hope). In many peoples' minds its too short to extend to next season.

Why change the scheme when really obvious player mistakes are happening all over the field? Vigen is not the guy committing drive killing penalties and letting rushers in unblocked. The schedule has gotten easier in the most recent games, AND the general play has tightened up. My gut feeling is that the scheme has evolved over the course of the season, but the biggest difference has been elevated quality of play at qb and offensive line.

I agree with this

 

[wyokoke]

What we saw of TVW on the last two drives is what we haven't seen all year and what has been missing. That is the ability to extend plays allowing for open windows to develop and an ability to deliver the ball accurately on the run. Before Air Force, TVW looked horrible with his decision making and with his throws on the move.

The Air Force game showed me that he has that potential to make plays on the move which will be crucial to his success. He has the physical tools, there is no question about that. But if he can't consistently make those throws on the move, he is unlikely to have much success.

The focus on 'vigen this' and 'vigen that' as if that is the sole solution to Wyoming's offensive issues gets pretty annoying. I certainly believe there are plenty of better coordinators out there; however, give the guy credit for completing changing his scheme now twice in the last few weeks to try and fit the guy under center.

Everyone is giving Vigen credit for it this time. Thing is, its the only time he has shown that he can/is willing to do it. Its like the first time he even realized that it is even possible to change the scheme is when Chambers came in. Good on him for finally making some adjustments, but he's got a short leash (we hope). In many peoples' minds its too short to extend to next season.

Why change the scheme when really obvious player mistakes are happening all over the field? Vigen is not the guy committing drive killing penalties and letting rushers in unblocked. The schedule has gotten easier in the most recent games, AND the general play has tightened up. My gut feeling is that the scheme has evolved over the course of the season, but the biggest difference has been elevated quality of play at qb and offensive line.

Isn't one of the most important aspects of a coach's job providing a framework which minimizes the weakness your players have and maximizing their strengths? Vigen has shown total bullheadedness in this area (for years) except for when Chambers started playing.
Of course it comes down to the players on the field blocking and not committing penalties, but to say that a coach shouldn't implement a system that facilitates the specific players' strengths is to say that we don't need coaches at all.

He has. Our strengths are running and our weaknesses for most of the season have been anything regarding receivers. But you also whine about that

 

['PokeForLife]

What we saw of TVW on the last two drives is what we haven't seen all year and what has been missing. That is the ability to extend plays allowing for open windows to develop and an ability to deliver the ball accurately on the run. Before Air Force, TVW looked horrible with his decision making and with his throws on the move.

The Air Force game showed me that he has that potential to make plays on the move which will be crucial to his success. He has the physical tools, there is no question about that. But if he can't consistently make those throws on the move, he is unlikely to have much success.

The focus on 'vigen this' and 'vigen that' as if that is the sole solution to Wyoming's offensive issues gets pretty annoying. I certainly believe there are plenty of better coordinators out there; however, give the guy credit for completing changing his scheme now twice in the last few weeks to try and fit the guy under center.

Everyone is giving Vigen credit for it this time. Thing is, its the only time he has shown that he can/is willing to do it. Its like the first time he even realized that it is even possible to change the scheme is when Chambers came in. Good on him for finally making some adjustments, but he's got a short leash (we hope). In many peoples' minds its too short to extend to next season.

Why change the scheme when really obvious player mistakes are happening all over the field? Vigen is not the guy committing drive killing penalties and letting rushers in unblocked. The schedule has gotten easier in the most recent games, AND the general play has tightened up. My gut feeling is that the scheme has evolved over the course of the season, but the biggest difference has been elevated quality of play at qb and offensive line.

Isn't one of the most important aspects of a coach's job providing a framework which minimizes the weakness your players have and maximizing their strengths? Vigen has shown total bullheadedness in this area (for years) except for when Chambers started playing.
Of course it comes down to the players on the field blocking and not committing penalties, but to say that a coach shouldn't implement a system that facilitates the specific players' strengths is to say that we don't need coaches at all.

He has. Our strengths are running and our weaknesses for most of the season have been anything regarding receivers. But you also whine about that

I personally haven't said anything about our receivers. I've been vocal about Conway not being our return man anymore, but not our receivers specifically.

 

['PokeForLife]

What we saw of TVW on the last two drives is what we haven't seen all year and what has been missing. That is the ability to extend plays allowing for open windows to develop and an ability to deliver the ball accurately on the run. Before Air Force, TVW looked horrible with his decision making and with his throws on the move.

The Air Force game showed me that he has that potential to make plays on the move which will be crucial to his success. He has the physical tools, there is no question about that. But if he can't consistently make those throws on the move, he is unlikely to have much success.

The focus on 'vigen this' and 'vigen that' as if that is the sole solution to Wyoming's offensive issues gets pretty annoying. I certainly believe there are plenty of better coordinators out there; however, give the guy credit for completing changing his scheme now twice in the last few weeks to try and fit the guy under center.

Everyone is giving Vigen credit for it this time. Thing is, its the only time he has shown that he can/is willing to do it. Its like the first time he even realized that it is even possible to change the scheme is when Chambers came in. Good on him for finally making some adjustments, but he's got a short leash (we hope). In many peoples' minds its too short to extend to next season.

Why change the scheme when really obvious player mistakes are happening all over the field? Vigen is not the guy committing drive killing penalties and letting rushers in unblocked. The schedule has gotten easier in the most recent games, AND the general play has tightened up. My gut feeling is that the scheme has evolved over the course of the season, but the biggest difference has been elevated quality of play at qb and offensive line.

Isn't one of the most important aspects of a coach's job providing a framework which minimizes the weakness your players have and maximizing their strengths? Vigen has shown total bullheadedness in this area (for years) except for when Chambers started playing.
Of course it comes down to the players on the field blocking and not committing penalties, but to say that a coach shouldn't implement a system that facilitates the specific players' strengths is to say that we don't need coaches at all.

He has. Our strengths are running and our weaknesses for most of the season have been anything regarding receivers. But you also whine about that

An no, Vigen has not done this for the most part. Running the ball up the gut on 1st and 2nd every single time was a weakness (he would not change!) and only started working once Chambers got in. To his credit, he called some very successful pass plays for Chambers once we started having success there. And again to his credit, he called pretty effective pass plays this past game when our backs were against the wall. I'm not convinced that he will be willing to do that when the game is 0-0. Or even with us down two touchdowns if it isn't halfway through the 4th quarter.

 

[wyokoke]

What we saw of TVW on the last two drives is what we haven't seen all year and what has been missing. That is the ability to extend plays allowing for open windows to develop and an ability to deliver the ball accurately on the run. Before Air Force, TVW looked horrible with his decision making and with his throws on the move.

The Air Force game showed me that he has that potential to make plays on the move which will be crucial to his success. He has the physical tools, there is no question about that. But if he can't consistently make those throws on the move, he is unlikely to have much success.

The focus on 'vigen this' and 'vigen that' as if that is the sole solution to Wyoming's offensive issues gets pretty annoying. I certainly believe there are plenty of better coordinators out there; however, give the guy credit for completing changing his scheme now twice in the last few weeks to try and fit the guy under center.

Everyone is giving Vigen credit for it this time. Thing is, its the only time he has shown that he can/is willing to do it. Its like the first time he even realized that it is even possible to change the scheme is when Chambers came in. Good on him for finally making some adjustments, but he's got a short leash (we hope). In many peoples' minds its too short to extend to next season.

Why change the scheme when really obvious player mistakes are happening all over the field? Vigen is not the guy committing drive killing penalties and letting rushers in unblocked. The schedule has gotten easier in the most recent games, AND the general play has tightened up. My gut feeling is that the scheme has evolved over the course of the season, but the biggest difference has been elevated quality of play at qb and offensive line.

Isn't one of the most important aspects of a coach's job providing a framework which minimizes the weakness your players have and maximizing their strengths? Vigen has shown total bullheadedness in this area (for years) except for when Chambers started playing.
Of course it comes down to the players on the field blocking and not committing penalties, but to say that a coach shouldn't implement a system that facilitates the specific players' strengths is to say that we don't need coaches at all.

He has. Our strengths are running and our weaknesses for most of the season have been anything regarding receivers. But you also whine about that

An no, Vigen has not done this for the most part. Running the ball up the gut on 1st and 2nd every single time was a weakness (he would not change!) and only started working once Chambers got in. To his credit, he called some very successful pass plays for Chambers once we started having success there. And again to his credit, he called pretty effective pass plays this past game when our backs were against the wall. I'm not convinced that he will be willing to do that when the game is 0-0. Or even with us down two touchdowns if it isn't halfway through the 4th quarter.

Our biggest offensive weakness is passing. Whatever you think of either QB, that doesn't change the fact that for the majority of the year the entire team had terrible butterfingers, and couldn't get separation. Conway has had some drops but not terrible. Price has had drops and struggles with separation. Rocket couldn't catch a cold for most of the year. With Johnson out, that doesn't leave much

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

And yet recruiting-wise, our receivers should be the best group on the team (outside the quarterbacks). They're the highest rated, they're the ones who had offers from other FBS schools (including a few P5 teams), yet they've consistently underperformed in all aspects of the game save blocking.

 

[wyokoke]

And yet recruiting-wise, our receivers should be the best group on the team (outside the quarterbacks). They're the highest rated, they're the ones who had offers from other FBS schools (including a few P5 teams), yet they've consistently underperformed in all aspects of the game save blocking.

It makes no sense. Vigen? Bohl? whoever the WR coach is? The only reason I can come up with is development is much behind other position groups

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

And yet recruiting-wise, our receivers should be the best group on the team (outside the quarterbacks). They're the highest rated, they're the ones who had offers from other FBS schools (including a few P5 teams), yet they've consistently underperformed in all aspects of the game save blocking.

It makes no sense. Vigen? Bohl? whoever the WR coach is? The only reason I can come up with is development is much behind other position groups

What I don't get is: Hollister, Gentry, and Maulhardt were all really sure-handed receivers. None of them had exceptional speed (though they weren't small either), yet they ran their routes so well that it didn't matter. Who taught them?

 

[307bball]

And yet recruiting-wise, our receivers should be the best group on the team (outside the quarterbacks). They're the highest rated, they're the ones who had offers from other FBS schools (including a few P5 teams), yet they've consistently underperformed in all aspects of the game save blocking.

It makes no sense. Vigen? Bohl? whoever the WR coach is? The only reason I can come up with is development is much behind other position groups

What I don't get is: Hollister, Gentry, and Maulhardt were all really sure-handed receivers. None of them had exceptional speed (though they weren't small either), yet they ran their routes so well that it didn't matter. Who taught them?

Recruiting rankings are barely worth the paper they are printed on....outside of a handful of can't-miss prospects that get snatched up my football factory programs there are no guarantees.

 

[ELKMT]

Well two of the three are nfl talents and one was on the cusp. Two were also gifted wrapped from the last coach.

What I don't get is: Hollister, Gentry, and Maulhardt were all really sure-handed receivers. None of them had exceptional speed (though they weren't small either), yet they ran their routes so well that it didn't matter. Who taught them?

Also, Gentry is fast and Hollister is fast for a TE.