Track runners may like these videos on youtube of Zola Budd

[alyssa]

So Alyssa, if you're racing tomorrow GOOD LUCK. The temperature dropping 60 degrees or so really messes things up for you.

I did. I was freezing. Each split got slower in that cold.

I'm curious. Where did you race? And at what distance?

Just a little club run. A "running society" for American Indians. About 100 or so were there to run.
Some of my friends ran an 8K. I ran a 3K but was 2nd to a male runner. It was a weird feeling because I felt like I could run faster so I'd fight to run faster but looking at the splits I was just slowing down in the cold and wind. I only run small events because they are enjoyable.

 

[bladerunnr]

Well, I still have no idea what state your from. If you like small races, there is a little cross country race in Boulder on Jan. 15. There is money for open and masters. You might win both. Melody Fairchild won the open last year. Colleen de Reuck was not there. Boulder Running company puts it on. There were fewer than 100 runners in both the men's and women's races, from elites down to slow pokes like myself.

 

[Wyokie]

Just a little club run. A "running society" for American Indians. About 100 or so were there to run.
Some of my friends ran an 8K. I ran a 3K but was 2nd to a male runner. It was a weird feeling because I felt like I could run faster so I'd fight to run faster but looking at the splits I was just slowing down in the cold and wind. I only run small events because they are enjoyable.

What tribe are you a member of if you don't mind me asking?

 

[69er]

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[bladerunnr]

She's faster than Colleen for shorter distances. Not sure at which distance Colleen would take over. And she won't want to talk too much about it for too much attention.

I know that in September she ran 26:13 for 5M on the roads cause I was there. She was 4th overall. Then one month after that she ran a race to help raise money for something. It was for women only and only 8 in the race that she won by 10 minutes or so. It was a road 10K in 32:56. She didn't like having to run alone on the hard country blacktop road. It was flat but hard to breathe for the conditions including heavy low clouds and very high humidity. She skipped running a 15K for her legs being so beaten up and exhaustion. I suspect she can run a 73 minutes half marathon, so that may be where Colleen is better. She breaks 9 minutes for 3000m but is better at shorter races. She can really sprint. She'll run well and then say something like, "Well, that may be it. I'm so tired." It can get too compulsive. A few times a year she helps me with my running training.

She's a Texas girl. She and I share Choctaw heritage. But she also has other tribal heritage. I'm unsure what one of them is because it is one of those tribes that was not counted and therefore is not recognized. It's like saying that they don't exist even though they stand right in front of your face.

There were several good athletes and runners in her family. She has a female cousin who is 3 years younger than she who could run very fast too but for only a couple of years because she became addicted to smoking and drinking and quit running.

I've also talked to her about entering the open and master's races. She refuses. She said if a race is more than an hour's drive away then she doesn't want to do it. She's a bit of a recluse. And she doesn't need the money.

That's quite a story. Only a few American women have broken 70 minutes for a 1/2 marathon. If she can run 73 minutes, she is in very rare company. De Reuck can't do that at this stage in her career. If you don't mind my asking, what are your ties to UW?

 

[69er]

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[MrTitleist]

My tie to Wyo is my father. I was born in Laramie. Moved when 3 and lived in north Texas and southern Oklahoma growing up. Alyssa told me, I think in August, that she found the Wyonation site. We met through a mutual person years ago and became friends because of athletics.

Isn't that how we all become friends?

 

[alyssa]

OK bladerunner, a Zola interview on radio is still up to listen to. I think it is from November 7, 2007, when she was 41 (maybe 9 months before arriving to work in the USA). It's about 8 minutes. I hope you understand their accents well enough. Remember Zola is an Afrikaans and English speaker. Like I've heard so many times before she says that she believes that Maria was to win the '84 Olympic 3000 no matter what becasue she was the strongest at that time. Most know her as Maricica. She is Maria Linca in some of the old results before she married a principal of hers, her husband and coach, who had been married before, Ion Puica. He's years older than she. She also mentions that she was glad that barefoot running had been proven to be good for people.

Also, youtube must have removed the channel misterathleticsfan. It was up for the 25th and 26th only. You had to watch those videos fast. Those videos had been up before and removed.

In your toolbar put BBC + Northhamptonshire + Local Radio + Zola Budd.

Also if you enter "videos of Zola Budd" a site for video.nbcsports.com comes up. It's just a small piece from about 2002 when she would be about 36. It is not perfect. It says that she fell down in the '84 Olympic 3.

grandstrandmag.com has a piece on her from June of 2010. Cross it with her name.

There are a few pics under the photo gallery. One pic is with her coach at the time, Van Zyl Naude. The pic is after her 4th place at the '93 WXC Champs, the video you watched. He was an 800 metres specialist who ran a photo shop and coached runners after work on the side. He's the kind of coach she needed because he was not such a dictator like THAT OTHER ONE. It's even mentioned in that XC vid that she had broken away for the 2nd time from THAT OTHER ONE. Click each photo. Where she is racing in her U. of Orange Free State kit was her 15:01.83 WR 5000m that was not recognised by the IAAF. I believe that race was delayed for a fire in the stands (that's what I remember). Then the south winds off the ocean became stronger (I think 35 or so mph). Her coach P L (THAT ONE) tried convincing her to switch to the 1500 and she would not do it. So then she ran that WR that got her so much attention. Cornelia Buerki was there watching. And maybe some others that would help formulate her move to go to Britain, but I'm not sure if they were right there or if that race is what brought them there. But I think her dad was already thinking of the way to get her to Britain. When they went to Britain she flew under the name of Hamilton. See now I'm just talking.

Remember to do your sprinting!

 

[bladerunnr]

Alyssa,
I actually saw those videos before the sight went down. I had forgotten the Decker-Budd collision was so late in the race. Two things struck me: 1) Budd seemed to move in front of Decker without much room between them and 2) Decker goes down and she doesn't even try to get back up - as if she'd been spiked!

I would understand why people booed at the time. It looked like Budd cut in too quickly. But Decker should have put her arm out. I have watched many old track videos from the 80's and early 90's and I'm struck by how much pushing and shoving went on. I just watched the 83 worlds and Decker won the 1500 and 3000. She was clearly the dominant runner of the that time.

No sprinting for me. Too old and sore hamstrings. For cheap and decent track dvd's, try tandfunlimited.com
Good but not great quality. Many events are start to finish, but mostly bits and pieces. My next door neighbor told me about the site. He ran the 96 olympics for New Zealand in the 1500. Didn't make the final but he met the great man, Lydiard.

 

[alyssa]

Alyssa,
I actually saw those videos before the sight went down. I had forgotten the Decker-Budd collision was so late in the race. Two things struck me: 1) Budd seemed to move in front of Decker without much room between them and 2) Decker goes down and she doesn't even try to get back up - as if she'd been spiked!

I would understand why people booed at the time. It looked like Budd cut in too quickly. But Decker should have put her arm out. I have watched many old track videos from the 80's and early 90's and I'm struck by how much pushing and shoving went on. I just watched the 83 worlds and Decker won the 1500 and 3000. She was clearly the dominant runner of the that time.

No sprinting for me. Too old and sore hamstrings. For cheap and decent track dvd's, try tandfunlimited.com
Good but not great quality. Many events are start to finish, but mostly bits and pieces. My next door neighbor told me about the site. He ran the 96 olympics for New Zealand in the 1500. Didn't make the final but he met the great man, Lydiard.

MD went down awkwardly. Her irresponsibility as a racer to put out her arm caused a lot of problems. I am a physical European type racer. Any of the racing styles those women had would not bother me. Those like Maricica, Cornelia etc. and I see Zola committing no foul. I still remember what MD did to Angelita Lind. MD could not handle the pack properly. In that Oly 3 Maricica had to hurdle MD's leg. Zola was very hurt, crying, bleeding and just stopped racing to give up medaling. The crowd was rude. An American fell in the '36 LA Olympics and the announcer told them to stop it and said that "these people are our guests." They aimed their attacks on someone who was not at fault.

I liked Cornelia snapping at MD after MD snapped at Zola. Cornelia has a facebook page. She runs a B&B in Port Elizabeth, SA. She has a handicapped child.

I met Lydiard but did not really talk to him because there were too many others around that wanted to monopolise him. I just faded back and let them have at him. I'm really pretty quiet and don't like being noticed too much.

The 83 worlds meant so much to me. The 2nd place finisher in the 15 is Zamira Zaitseva. That's who Zola outraced in the 85 European Cup in Moscow. It was Aug 17, 85. Zola 8:35.32. Zamira 8:35.74. Ulrike 8:36.51. Poland's Marianna Panfil 8:58.51 etc. Zola has said that that race was her best ever track race.

I sprint even when I'm all beat up. Why I'd have you going at it in no time. Haven't you watched those over 70s men run like 2:30 for 800m? But, I know, everyone is different.
I know your neighbour's initials are MNJ.

 

[bladerunnr]

I know your neighbour's initials are MNJ.

You are right! How'd you know that? Btw, there is a huge fight on letsrun.com about the Decker-Budd collision on the message board. Quite heated considering the race happened 26 years ago!

 

[alyssa]

I know your neighbour's initials are MNJ.

You are right! How'd you know that? Btw, there is a huge fight on letsrun.com about the Decker-Budd collision on the message board. Quite heated considering the race happened 26 years ago!

I just know things. Crystal ball, I guess.
I saw some of the messages on letsrun. Funny how fans can be so drawn to it. One of the guys referred to Angelita Lind at Millrose. I mentioned her to you too. It was just one of the many incidents to prove the true personality of MD. She didn't take being overtaken well at all. Or beaten either, say as in the case of Ruth beating her. It's hard to believe how ignorant so many of their messages are.
And the Australian tv interview, I had known about years ago. I even knew it was there as of late. I just didn't tell you about it.
Some guy was saying something in his message sarcastically and favouring MD and asking who won the road mile. I really don't remember their times anymore but I think MD's was about 4:24 but IDK. And Zola was very sick in 1992. It's hard to see it in that interview because she still looks so young and cute sitting there with makeup on! I think the fastest mile Zola could run in '92 was about 4:32 or so. Her body was failing her. South Africa, in '92, was really pressuring Zola to run 8:56.00 for the 3 to make the Olympic team. She was running slower than 9. Finally, she managed an 8:52.?? in Bell_____. I forget the town. Then when she got to Barcelona one could see her so huge, and puffy, and yellow etc. She ran in front, in heat 1 of 3. There were 11 in her heat race but when the sprint came over the last, about a couple of laps, the runners just blew past her. She was 9 of 10, with one DSQ. She ran 9:07.10. It's sad when ppl cannot perform at their best. The year b4 she had the 2nd best 3 since the '88 Oly final, with an 8:35.72, in Durban, Kingspark Stadium to Elana in 8:32.00.

 

[alyssa]

I know your neighbour's initials are MNJ.

You are right! How'd you know that? Btw, there is a huge fight on letsrun.com about the Decker-Budd collision on the message board. Quite heated considering the race happened 26 years ago!

Also, some poster said something like Maricica probably being a drug cheat or maybe he said that she was, I don't remember. I don't like when they talk about her that way. I loved learning anything I could from the Puica's as well as anyone else I admired.

I worked out so hard for me today. I'm too fat and too tired from the holidays. Gotta lose a couple of lbs and eat and sleep better. Besides my warming up and cooling down routines, I ran plan D. It was 4 times 3K on a accurately measured course with an incline that was repeated that it adds up to a few hills. I was just kinda off today but it was good.

 

[69er]

I know your neighbour's initials are MNJ.

You are right! How'd you know that? Btw, there is a huge fight on letsrun.com about the Decker-Budd collision on the message board. Quite heated considering the race happened 26 years ago!

I looked for it. Read a few posts. Saw the interview linked for the first time.

I ran plan D. It was 4 times 3K on a accurately measured course with an incline that was repeated that it adds up to a few hills. I was just kinda off today but it was good.

What were plans A-C? Splits? Get to feeling better.

 

[alyssa]

I know your neighbour's initials are MNJ.

I ran plan D. It was 4 times 3K on a accurately measured course with an incline that was repeated that it adds up to a few hills. I was just kinda off today but it was good.

What were plans A-C? Splits? Get to feeling better.

Plan A was to run a speed endurance practise on the track, where I would have run 2 X 3000, 2000, 1000 with a max of 60 seconds recovery between each. However, I did not know that the kids went back to shool and did not want to practise there with them out there. I just settled on using the 600 metres blacktop track hoping to get more privacy. I didn't feel so well. And my left hamstring was tightening up on me. I didn't get the privacy I wanted.
The splits? Well maybe I'll tell ya later but the average 3 was 9:48.814 with all recoveries under 50 seconds and averaging 48.458 seconds.
I'm trying to "get to feeling better".

 

[69er]

That channel added another vid, Rocket.

 

[alyssa]

I'm an aging distance runner but still love to get out and do it. I ran the Vegas marathon last week and I love to watch old track videos. Zola Budd is one of the few barefoot runners in history. A lot of runners point to her as justification for the natural running craze now going on. Her most famous video is the the 84 olympic "tripping" video. Watching that recently, it is apparent that Mary Decker was at fault. But it ruined Budd's race. Interesting stuff.[/quote]