THIS is classic Burman

[NowherePoke]

My view of Barta was that he was biding his time. If memory serves, he didn't hire or fire and didn't make waves. The Wyoming way. I don't know about his administrative team like others here do.

Well, Barta extended Joe Glenn's contract a couple months after a 4-7 (2-6 MWC) football season. That seems way more suspect than extending Christensen after winning a bowl game and earning MWC coach of the year honors.

I haven't met anyone who was a Lee Moon fan, and he won a regular season MWC basketball championship. So it beats me on how people rate ADs. It's not so much a pro-Burman, anti-Burman conversation I'm having. I just don't understand the logic behind a lot of these opinions when I compare Burman to past ADs. There doesn't seem to be a huge difference to me in the decision making (see my first paragraph).

DC got his contract extension BEFORE the bowl game.

Ok, before, after the bowl game....point remains the same, it was after a Coach of the Year season. Glenn got his after going 2-6.

Personally, I don't think the DC extension was a problem and said so at the time. That's just the way things work. The buyout was not really onerous by the standards of the programs we should be aspiring to.

It cost us a little money, but it didn't functionally extend DC's tenure beyond the period in which we wanted to retain him which is the primary concern when undeserved extensions are handed out.

I was more upset by the Schroyer extension because it guaranteed at least a 4th year for a coach that was clearly a mistake and cost us some money. Remember that Schroyer finished 7-9 in the MWC the year he got the extension. That's the same record that McClain had the year he got fired. DC went 5-2 in MWC play and a Top 3 finish the year he got the extension.

Nothing is black and white. Burman has made some good decisions and some decisions that are certainly easily justified. However, in the big picture, UW athletics are a failure. How you feel about Burman probably depends on how you feel about the University of Wyoming and its place in intercollegiate athletics. If you believe we should be able to compete in the MWC, you have a take a very critical look at an administration that has been in place for 8 years without success. If you feel that our demographic limitations prevent us from doing so regardless of leadership, then you are much less likely to be critical of Burman.

There are some with personal feelings one way or the other based on interactions with him or others in the department. I am not in either camp. I have not had negative interactions with Tom, and hold no grudge. I do however, believe that UW can be competitive in the MWC. I don't expect us to be the most successful athletic department in the conference, but I do expect better than we have seen.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Let's research before you talk out the side of your neck. Heath revitalized the program's APR! College athletics is a chain reaction. Every coach/AD is continually cleaning up past mistakes. Moon buried this athletic department by 10 years. CJC is now the most successful it's ever been - Currently has the most donors of any MWC school. Intercollegiate Athletics is a BUSINESS. There has never been more money flowing into Wyoming Athletics than today. That in itself is a huge success alone.

Heath was given resources (a full time academic supervisor, full time academic liaison / tutor, and several - 20+ student volunteer support staff persons for daily tutoring). Not impressed, in fact, shame on the administration for not giving the previous regime those tools.
CJC is the most successful - depends on how you measure success. More money now (on the books) than ever before - you are correct - as far as stand alone CJC. As a direct result of seat premiums, jacked rate levels of donations for certain perks like parking, increased prices at both the annual auctions, increased prices at golf functions, etc.

We still have an athletic department that is glad we aren't competing with the likes of Utah, BYU, and TCU any longer, so that our athletic budget more closely matches our current level of competition. If there is anything that screams mediocrity it is that. Instead of growing to the level of the 3 mentioned above, we are happier to be semi- stagnant with the USU's and SJSU's of the western sports community. Puke. Maybe we change our slogan, "Wyoming - the next Idaho of college sports".

Take note, this is one of the factors that people don't realize. Why give the resources to one coach but vehemently resist giving the same resources to the previous coach? Not what I would expect out of a professional unless he had a personal agenda.

Umm, bc Burman made the move to bring in the extra help which was obviously a need. Does that make sense or do I need to explain further?

The previous coach asked for the help and was denied. Then it was subsequently given to Schroyer upon his hire. Do you understand?

 

[VisorHair]

Let's research before you talk out the side of your neck. Heath revitalized the program's APR! College athletics is a chain reaction. Every coach/AD is continually cleaning up past mistakes. Moon buried this athletic department by 10 years. CJC is now the most successful it's ever been - Currently has the most donors of any MWC school. Intercollegiate Athletics is a BUSINESS. There has never been more money flowing into Wyoming Athletics than today. That in itself is a huge success alone.

Heath was given resources (a full time academic supervisor, full time academic liaison / tutor, and several - 20+ student volunteer support staff persons for daily tutoring). Not impressed, in fact, shame on the administration for not giving the previous regime those tools.
CJC is the most successful - depends on how you measure success. More money now (on the books) than ever before - you are correct - as far as stand alone CJC. As a direct result of seat premiums, jacked rate levels of donations for certain perks like parking, increased prices at both the annual auctions, increased prices at golf functions, etc.

We still have an athletic department that is glad we aren't competing with the likes of Utah, BYU, and TCU any longer, so that our athletic budget more closely matches our current level of competition. If there is anything that screams mediocrity it is that. Instead of growing to the level of the 3 mentioned above, we are happier to be semi- stagnant with the USU's and SJSU's of the western sports community. Puke. Maybe we change our slogan, "Wyoming - the next Idaho of college sports".

Take note, this is one of the factors that people don't realize. Why give the resources to one coach but vehemently resist giving the same resources to the previous coach? Not what I would expect out of a professional unless he had a personal agenda.

Umm, bc Burman made the move to bring in the extra help which was obviously a need. Does that make sense or do I need to explain further?

The previous coach asked for the help and was denied. Then it was subsequently given to Schroyer upon his hire. Do you understand?

Haha right. Steve tell you that?

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Haha right. Steve tell you that?

Uh, not quite. But an employee of the Athletic Department.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Personally, I don't think the DC extension was a problem and said so at the time. That's just the way things work. The buyout was not really onerous by the standards of the programs we should be aspiring to.

It cost us a little money, but it didn't functionally extend DC's tenure beyond the period in which we wanted to retain him which is the primary concern when undeserved extensions are handed out.

I was more upset by the Schroyer extension because it guaranteed at least a 4th year for a coach that was clearly a mistake and cost us some money. Remember that Schroyer finished 7-9 in the MWC the year he got the extension. That's the same record that McClain had the year he got fired. DC went 5-2 in MWC play and a Top 3 finish the year he got the extension.

Nothing is black and white. Burman has made some good decisions and some decisions that are certainly easily justified. However, in the big picture, UW athletics are a failure. How you feel about Burman probably depends on how you feel about the University of Wyoming and its place in intercollegiate athletics. If you believe we should be able to compete in the MWC, you have a take a very critical look at an administration that has been in place for 8 years without success. If you feel that our demographic limitations prevent us from doing so regardless of leadership, then you are much less likely to be critical of Burman.

There are some with personal feelings one way or the other based on interactions with him or others in the department. I am not in either camp. I have not had negative interactions with Tom, and hold no grudge. I do however, believe that UW can be competitive in the MWC. I don't expect us to be the most successful athletic department in the conference, but I do expect better than we have seen.

Good post!

 

[hithere]

Let's research before you talk out the side of your neck.

NEVER!! I will never do that. The only research I do is for posts mocking terrible coaches that fit my agenda regarding my favorite teams that have been a laughing stock going on 10+ years. And I talk strictly out of my ass, not my neck.

Heath revitalized the program's APR! College athletics is a chain reaction. Every coach/AD is continually cleaning up past mistakes. Moon buried this athletic department by 10 years. CJC is now the most successful it's ever been - Currently has the most donors of any MWC school. Intercollegiate Athletics is a BUSINESS. There has never been more money flowing into Wyoming Athletics than today. That in itself is a huge success alone.

You are absolutely right. You're right. But because college sports are now a business and UW's athletics arm is getting relatively more money now than in any point in the history of its existence, I should be happy and proud and just shut up and wait patiently another eight years until Tom Burman magically trips and falls dick first into a pile of 1st place trophies? I say relatively because Wyoming is still, in the hypothetical but probable words of Tom Burman, "just Wyoming". And shouldn't ever pay a coach over $1 million a year.

Your sentiments expressed remind me of how Darren Rovell thinks. And Darren Rovell is a boot stain. If I were a Cleveland Browns fan, would you want me to be excited and happy that Jimmy Haslam doesn't have the team operating in the red and ecstatic that the balance sheets are trending up? They're still the worst bloody team in the league but their "brand" is strong and there's some money in the coffers. I suspect you wouldn't because Jimmy Haslam doesn't give two flying monkey fucks what the average fan wants because they still pay for merch and come to games. We're basically the Browns of FBS college football (and basketball). I'm not really ok with that. And I will use ALL CAPS TO EXPRESS MY DISDAIN ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD.

I'm not seeing the connection, after 8 years, where because Wyoming Athletics isn't going broke, there should be no hard feelings or questioning the leadership of the man in charge of all this financial success who makes hires like Heath Schroyer and hasn't once been a part of a winning, championship caliber revenue sport. Or has he at Portland State? I don't know. You probably do.

 

[CowboyNV]

Let's research before you talk out the side of your neck.

NEVER!! I will never do that. The only research I do is for posts mocking terrible coaches that fit my agenda regarding my favorite teams that have been a laughing stock going on 10+ years. And I talk strictly out of my ass, not my neck.

Heath revitalized the program's APR! College athletics is a chain reaction. Every coach/AD is continually cleaning up past mistakes. Moon buried this athletic department by 10 years. CJC is now the most successful it's ever been - Currently has the most donors of any MWC school. Intercollegiate Athletics is a BUSINESS. There has never been more money flowing into Wyoming Athletics than today. That in itself is a huge success alone.

You are absolutely right. You're right. But because college sports are now a business and UW's athletics arm is getting relatively more money now than in any point in the history of its existence, I should be happy and proud and just shut up and wait patiently another eight years until Tom Burman magically trips and falls dick first into a pile of 1st place trophies? I say relatively because Wyoming is still, in the hypothetical but probable words of Tom Burman, "just Wyoming". And shouldn't ever pay a coach over $1 million a year.

Your sentiments expressed remind me of how Darren Rovell thinks. And Darren Rovell is a boot stain. If I were a Cleveland Browns fan, would you want me to be excited and happy that Jimmy Haslam doesn't have the team operating in the red and ecstatic that the balance sheets are trending up? They're still the worst bloody team in the league but their "brand" is strong and there's some money in the coffers. I suspect you wouldn't because Jimmy Haslam doesn't give two flying monkey fucks what the average fan wants because they still pay for merch and come to games. We're basically the Browns of FBS college football (and basketball). I'm not really ok with that. And I will use ALL CAPS TO EXPRESS MY DISDAIN ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD.

I'm not seeing the connection, after 8 years, where because Wyoming Athletics isn't going broke, there should be no hard feelings or questioning the leadership of the man in charge of all this financial success who makes hires like Heath Schroyer and hasn't once been a part of a winning, championship caliber revenue sport. Or has he at Portland State? I don't know. You probably do.

Post of the week Hithere. :thumb:

And VisorHair is obviously an employee of TB's, or TB himself. :thumbdown:

 

[VisorHair]

Let's research before you talk out the side of your neck.

NEVER!! I will never do that. The only research I do is for posts mocking terrible coaches that fit my agenda regarding my favorite teams that have been a laughing stock going on 10+ years. And I talk strictly out of my ass, not my neck.

Heath revitalized the program's APR! College athletics is a chain reaction. Every coach/AD is continually cleaning up past mistakes. Moon buried this athletic department by 10 years. CJC is now the most successful it's ever been - Currently has the most donors of any MWC school. Intercollegiate Athletics is a BUSINESS. There has never been more money flowing into Wyoming Athletics than today. That in itself is a huge success alone.

You are absolutely right. You're right. But because college sports are now a business and UW's athletics arm is getting relatively more money now than in any point in the history of its existence, I should be happy and proud and just shut up and wait patiently another eight years until Tom Burman magically trips and falls dick first into a pile of 1st place trophies? I say relatively because Wyoming is still, in the hypothetical but probable words of Tom Burman, "just Wyoming". And shouldn't ever pay a coach over $1 million a year.

Your sentiments expressed remind me of how Darren Rovell thinks. And Darren Rovell is a boot stain. If I were a Cleveland Browns fan, would you want me to be excited and happy that Jimmy Haslam doesn't have the team operating in the red and ecstatic that the balance sheets are trending up? They're still the worst bloody team in the league but their "brand" is strong and there's some money in the coffers. I suspect you wouldn't because Jimmy Haslam doesn't give two flying monkey fucks what the average fan wants because they still pay for merch and come to games. We're basically the Browns of FBS college football (and basketball). I'm not really ok with that. And I will use ALL CAPS TO EXPRESS MY DISDAIN ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD.

I'm not seeing the connection, after 8 years, where because Wyoming Athletics isn't going broke, there should be no hard feelings or questioning the leadership of the man in charge of all this financial success who makes hires like Heath Schroyer and hasn't once been a part of a winning, championship caliber revenue sport. Or has he at Portland State? I don't know. You probably do.

Alright, you can run a FBS university's athletic department with next to no money and hire coaches who can win "1st place trophies". Good fucking luck, angry guy. Might as well hire you at UAB to right that ship. And yes, Heath won a conference championship his final year at PSU. Sooo.. anything else you want to vent about?

 

[hithere]

Alright, you can run a FBS university's athletic department with next to no money and hire coaches who can win "1st place trophies". Good fucking luck, angry guy. Might as well hire you at UAB to right that ship. And yes, Heath won a conference championship his final year at PSU. Sooo.. anything else you want to vent about?

Yes. Steve Stanard's defensive statistical performance rankings as an FBS Defensive Coordinator at CSU, New Mexico State and Tulane. But that'll come in due time.

How you got anger out of my posts and not misplaced, comical, dumbfounded bewilderment is beyond me. I'm not mad at you Mr. VisorHair, you're a fellow Wyoming fan. I'm just sick of losing and the excuses that come with it. Just like everyone else.

 

[VisorHair]

Alright, you can run a FBS university's athletic department with next to no money and hire coaches who can win "1st place trophies". Good fucking luck, angry guy. Might as well hire you at UAB to right that ship. And yes, Heath won a conference championship his final year at PSU. Sooo.. anything else you want to vent about?

Yes. Steve Stanard's defensive statistical performance rankings as an FBS Defensive Coordinator at CSU, New Mexico State and Tulane. But that'll come in due time.

How you got anger out of my posts and not misplaced, comical, dumbfounded bewilderment is beyond me. I'm not mad at you Mr. VisorHair, you're a fellow Wyoming fan. I'm just sick of losing and the excuses that come with it. Just like everyone else.

Fair enough! Cheers.