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kansasCowboy
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marcuswyo said:
Okay, let’s just take a hard look at ALL of the P5 teams that each coach has played and either won or lost...
Glenn:
@ Okl. St. L 24-48 (9-4)
Kansas L 35-42 (6-7)
@TA&M L 0-31 (7-5)
Ole Miss W 39-32 (4-7)
UCLA W 24-21 (6-6)
@Florida L 14-32 (9-3) # 12
@ Ol Miss W 24-14 (3-8)
@Virginia L 12-13 (5-7)
@Syrac L 34-40 (4-8)
Virginia W 23-3 (9-4)
@Tenn W 13-7 (5-7)
That is an overall of 5-6 against P5 opponents.
Now there are a few things I want to take note:
1. The overall record of these 11 teams is 67-66. In fact of 11 P5 games only four had winning records. The highest rated was Florida at 9-3 and finished 12 in the final AP poll.
2. Glenn’s record vs. P5 with .500 or above is 2-3. All but one would be considered “mid tier” within their conference in those years. I add this because that is what most are calling this years WSU and Mizzou teams.
3. Glenn
kansasCowboy
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This just cut my post in half. To finish:
4. Glenn vs losing P5 was 3-3.winning in a shootout to a 4-7 Ole Miss team, beating a 3-8 Ole Miss team and then having a defensive scrum against Tennessee 5-7.
What some consider Glenn’s best year (6-6) he lost to Virginia 5-7 and Syracuse 4-8.
Now for Bohl:
@ Oregon L 14-48 (13-2) #2 NC runner up
@Mich St. L 14-56 (11-2) #5
@Wash st. L 14-31 (9-4)
@ Nebras L 17-52. (9-4)
@ Iowa. L 3-24. (8-5)
Oregon. L 13-49. (7-6)
Wash st. L 19-41. (2-0)
@ Mizzou L 13-40 (2-0)
1.Bohls P5 opponents overall record is 59-23. That is a far cry better from Glenn’s 67-66. Is it any wonder Glenn has more P5 wins than Bohl?
2. Bohl vs P5 with winning records: 0-8.
3. Bohl vs P5 with losing records: 0-0... Bohls worst P5 opponent was Oregon last year at 7-6. They were actually rated to be higher until their star qb was knocked out in week4. They then struggled through until he came back at the end of the year. The jury is still out on WSU and Mizzou this year. But from what i’ve Seen so far, these teams will have 7-10 wins this year.
Bohls best year (8-6) he lost to P5 Nebraska 17-52 (9-4). But beat #13 Boise 30-28 and split with #24 SDSU 34-33 and 24-27. He also beat an unranked 10-3 AFA 35-26.
When comparing the two against their P5 schedule it’s pretty obvious that Bohl has played significantly better and more quality opponents.
4. Glenn vs losing P5 was 3-3.winning in a shootout to a 4-7 Ole Miss team, beating a 3-8 Ole Miss team and then having a defensive scrum against Tennessee 5-7.
What some consider Glenn’s best year (6-6) he lost to Virginia 5-7 and Syracuse 4-8.
Now for Bohl:
@ Oregon L 14-48 (13-2) #2 NC runner up
@Mich St. L 14-56 (11-2) #5
@Wash st. L 14-31 (9-4)
@ Nebras L 17-52. (9-4)
@ Iowa. L 3-24. (8-5)
Oregon. L 13-49. (7-6)
Wash st. L 19-41. (2-0)
@ Mizzou L 13-40 (2-0)
1.Bohls P5 opponents overall record is 59-23. That is a far cry better from Glenn’s 67-66. Is it any wonder Glenn has more P5 wins than Bohl?
2. Bohl vs P5 with winning records: 0-8.
3. Bohl vs P5 with losing records: 0-0... Bohls worst P5 opponent was Oregon last year at 7-6. They were actually rated to be higher until their star qb was knocked out in week4. They then struggled through until he came back at the end of the year. The jury is still out on WSU and Mizzou this year. But from what i’ve Seen so far, these teams will have 7-10 wins this year.
Bohls best year (8-6) he lost to P5 Nebraska 17-52 (9-4). But beat #13 Boise 30-28 and split with #24 SDSU 34-33 and 24-27. He also beat an unranked 10-3 AFA 35-26.
When comparing the two against their P5 schedule it’s pretty obvious that Bohl has played significantly better and more quality opponents.
kansasCowboy
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Bohl and Glenn vs their conf opponents:
Glenn:
2003: Utah (10-2)#21 L 17-47
2004: Utah (12-0)#4. L 28-45
2005: TCU. (11-1)#11 L 14-28
Utah. (7-5). L 13-43
BYU. (6-6). L 21-35
2006: Utah. (8-5). W31-15
TCU. (11-2)#22 L 3-26
BYU (11-2)#16 L 7-55
* BSU. (13-0)#5. L 10-17
2007: TCU. (8-5). W 24-21
AFA. (9-4). L 12-20
Utah. (9-4). L 0-50
BYU. (11-2)#14 L 10-35
* BSU. (10-3). L 14-24
2008: BYU. (10-3)#25 L 0-44
Utah. (13-0)#2. L 7-40
TCU. (11-2)#7. L 7-54
These are just records against the top in the league each year. I added BSU because at this time they were not in the league and they were also not P5, but was a quality top ranked opponent. His record 2-15. He played (10) ranked teams and one 10 win team who wasn’t ranked by years end. His two wins did not come against ranked opponents either.
Bohl:
2014: AFA (10-3). W 17-13
CSU.(10-3). L 31-45
USU.(10-4). L 3-20
BSU.(12-2)#16 L 14-63
2015: BSU (9-4). L 14-34
SDS. (11-3). L 3-38
*App st(11-2). L 13-31
2016: BSU. (10-3)#13 W30-28
SDS. (11-3)#25 W 34-33
SDS. (11-3)#25. L 24-27
AFA. (10-3). W 35-26
* BYU.(9-4). L 21-24
2017: BSU (11-3)#22. L 14-24
FSU. (10-4). L 7-13
*CMU (8-5). W 37-14
Bohl vs conference and quality opponents had a record of 5-10. 5 of those opponents ended the year ranked. While (7) 10+ win teams were unranked at years end.
Bohls numbers while not amazing by any means shows marked improvement over what Glenn was able to do. Not to mention Glenn had 6 years here and Bohl is in the beginning of his 5th.
Glenn:
2003: Utah (10-2)#21 L 17-47
2004: Utah (12-0)#4. L 28-45
2005: TCU. (11-1)#11 L 14-28
Utah. (7-5). L 13-43
BYU. (6-6). L 21-35
2006: Utah. (8-5). W31-15
TCU. (11-2)#22 L 3-26
BYU (11-2)#16 L 7-55
* BSU. (13-0)#5. L 10-17
2007: TCU. (8-5). W 24-21
AFA. (9-4). L 12-20
Utah. (9-4). L 0-50
BYU. (11-2)#14 L 10-35
* BSU. (10-3). L 14-24
2008: BYU. (10-3)#25 L 0-44
Utah. (13-0)#2. L 7-40
TCU. (11-2)#7. L 7-54
These are just records against the top in the league each year. I added BSU because at this time they were not in the league and they were also not P5, but was a quality top ranked opponent. His record 2-15. He played (10) ranked teams and one 10 win team who wasn’t ranked by years end. His two wins did not come against ranked opponents either.
Bohl:
2014: AFA (10-3). W 17-13
CSU.(10-3). L 31-45
USU.(10-4). L 3-20
BSU.(12-2)#16 L 14-63
2015: BSU (9-4). L 14-34
SDS. (11-3). L 3-38
*App st(11-2). L 13-31
2016: BSU. (10-3)#13 W30-28
SDS. (11-3)#25 W 34-33
SDS. (11-3)#25. L 24-27
AFA. (10-3). W 35-26
* BYU.(9-4). L 21-24
2017: BSU (11-3)#22. L 14-24
FSU. (10-4). L 7-13
*CMU (8-5). W 37-14
Bohl vs conference and quality opponents had a record of 5-10. 5 of those opponents ended the year ranked. While (7) 10+ win teams were unranked at years end.
Bohls numbers while not amazing by any means shows marked improvement over what Glenn was able to do. Not to mention Glenn had 6 years here and Bohl is in the beginning of his 5th.
kansasCowboy
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So now that I am sufficiently bored I will compare the two when it came down to bad losses.
Glenn:
2008: lost to BGSU (6-6) 16-45; UNM (4-8) 0-24; UNLV (5-7) 14-22
2007: SDSU (4-8) 24-27; CSU (3-9) 28-36
2006: Virginia (5-7) 12-13; Syrac (4-8) 34-40; AFA (4-8) 24-31
2005: SDSU (5-7) 21-34;
2004: BYU (5-6) 13-24; CSU (4-7) 7-30
2003: SDSU (6-6) 20-25; UNLV (6-6) 24-35
That’s 0-13 against teams with losing records you would hope we would’ve come out on top. His worst loss was to 4-7 CSU 7-30 followed by a 28-36 loss to a 3-9 CSU team. He had 6 losses to teams with 4 wins or less on the year. And most of these games we did not have key players out.
Bohl:
2017: SJSU (2-11) 17-20;
2016: UNLV (4-8) 66-69;
2015: ND 13-24; EMU (1-11) 29-48;
2014: Haw (4-9) 28-38; SJSU 20-27
That’s 0-6 in games you would have hoped we would’ve won. 2015 was a wreck with injuries to qb Cam Coffman and Josh Allen and our D was mostly Freshman. Bohl has had 5 losses to teams with 4 or less wins.
One other thing to point out between the two:
Glenn inherited a team that was 2-10 previously. But had a returning Sr qb Bramlet; a returning SR rb Armah and three top WR’s McGuffey, Floyd, Bouknight. He also had a defense that had Sr lb Gottschalk, jr lb Tuell; SR S Finn and Dixon and Hall to help his D. Plus he had a full recruiting class his first year.
Bohl inherited a backup qb who lost to Cal Poly the year before in Kierkegaard. One Sr rb Wick and and SR Wr’s Rufran and Claiborne and an up and coming So Gentry
His D had Eddie Yarbrough, Wacha, Burns and D Harris. Plus he had a short recruiting class with 18 signees and only 68 scholarship players his first year.
Just some food for thought.
To me it shows that Bohl has done more with less and while starting off bad 4-8; 2-10; he has since began to turn the tide. We’ll see what the rest of this year brings. But if it’s 6-7 wins...or more than I believe he has us on the rise.
With Glenn he took pretty close to a fully scholarshiped team and had instant success going from 2-10 the year before him to 4-8; 7-5; 6-6 and then spiraled down.
I remember a lot on here going off on Bohl and Co when we struggled thru the first two seasons saying we don’t have the talent for pro style run and that the Tampa 2 would never work. Then Bohl rights the ship with his last two years . Our O does great and then struggled last year. Our D was young and abysmal his first two years, now it’s a nationally known D. Do they still struggle? Yeah, especially with upper echelon programs. Also to top it off when players transfer or leave early to go pro it does not bode well for a program like Wyo. we have to build back up. We are not an upper echelon team like Alabama, etc that can lose players to the pros and have an equally talented backup to step up in a skilled position. As bad as our O was last year had Hill not went pro our O would not have been as bad as it was last year. With Allen leaving a year early and Garrett transferring out it left us with Nick Smith and and Frosh in Vander W. People say why is it that we are in year 5 and have this issue? There’s your answer. Bohl tried for Mich transfer Speight but UCLA beat us out. It’s the nature of the game. That said, with as many young Frosh we’ve had playing on O this year and with what I’ve seen, just from a coaches perspective, I think they will be fine. And eventually, if they stick together be a force to be reconned with in the future. Our D is senior heavy and has a lot of NFL talent. Credit to Bohl for finding gems and building them up. And I believe a lot of these younger guys on D will leave here just as talented.
We are in that mid stage of building a program. 4-8; 2-10 beginning stages. 8-6; 8-5; taste of success and upward trajectory. I believe we may have two or three years of similar winning results before we see just how good we can actually be.
Think of Bohl at NDSU. Dll and he had them at 10-1 and 10-1. Jump to FCS and he is 6-5; 3-8; 9-5 and then begins to succeed. He is at that 9-5 stage now with us. Unfortunately he has jumped another division higher and I think it will take a few more years of mid stage success before we see how great we become.
Glenn:
2008: lost to BGSU (6-6) 16-45; UNM (4-8) 0-24; UNLV (5-7) 14-22
2007: SDSU (4-8) 24-27; CSU (3-9) 28-36
2006: Virginia (5-7) 12-13; Syrac (4-8) 34-40; AFA (4-8) 24-31
2005: SDSU (5-7) 21-34;
2004: BYU (5-6) 13-24; CSU (4-7) 7-30
2003: SDSU (6-6) 20-25; UNLV (6-6) 24-35
That’s 0-13 against teams with losing records you would hope we would’ve come out on top. His worst loss was to 4-7 CSU 7-30 followed by a 28-36 loss to a 3-9 CSU team. He had 6 losses to teams with 4 wins or less on the year. And most of these games we did not have key players out.
Bohl:
2017: SJSU (2-11) 17-20;
2016: UNLV (4-8) 66-69;
2015: ND 13-24; EMU (1-11) 29-48;
2014: Haw (4-9) 28-38; SJSU 20-27
That’s 0-6 in games you would have hoped we would’ve won. 2015 was a wreck with injuries to qb Cam Coffman and Josh Allen and our D was mostly Freshman. Bohl has had 5 losses to teams with 4 or less wins.
One other thing to point out between the two:
Glenn inherited a team that was 2-10 previously. But had a returning Sr qb Bramlet; a returning SR rb Armah and three top WR’s McGuffey, Floyd, Bouknight. He also had a defense that had Sr lb Gottschalk, jr lb Tuell; SR S Finn and Dixon and Hall to help his D. Plus he had a full recruiting class his first year.
Bohl inherited a backup qb who lost to Cal Poly the year before in Kierkegaard. One Sr rb Wick and and SR Wr’s Rufran and Claiborne and an up and coming So Gentry
His D had Eddie Yarbrough, Wacha, Burns and D Harris. Plus he had a short recruiting class with 18 signees and only 68 scholarship players his first year.
Just some food for thought.
To me it shows that Bohl has done more with less and while starting off bad 4-8; 2-10; he has since began to turn the tide. We’ll see what the rest of this year brings. But if it’s 6-7 wins...or more than I believe he has us on the rise.
With Glenn he took pretty close to a fully scholarshiped team and had instant success going from 2-10 the year before him to 4-8; 7-5; 6-6 and then spiraled down.
I remember a lot on here going off on Bohl and Co when we struggled thru the first two seasons saying we don’t have the talent for pro style run and that the Tampa 2 would never work. Then Bohl rights the ship with his last two years . Our O does great and then struggled last year. Our D was young and abysmal his first two years, now it’s a nationally known D. Do they still struggle? Yeah, especially with upper echelon programs. Also to top it off when players transfer or leave early to go pro it does not bode well for a program like Wyo. we have to build back up. We are not an upper echelon team like Alabama, etc that can lose players to the pros and have an equally talented backup to step up in a skilled position. As bad as our O was last year had Hill not went pro our O would not have been as bad as it was last year. With Allen leaving a year early and Garrett transferring out it left us with Nick Smith and and Frosh in Vander W. People say why is it that we are in year 5 and have this issue? There’s your answer. Bohl tried for Mich transfer Speight but UCLA beat us out. It’s the nature of the game. That said, with as many young Frosh we’ve had playing on O this year and with what I’ve seen, just from a coaches perspective, I think they will be fine. And eventually, if they stick together be a force to be reconned with in the future. Our D is senior heavy and has a lot of NFL talent. Credit to Bohl for finding gems and building them up. And I believe a lot of these younger guys on D will leave here just as talented.
We are in that mid stage of building a program. 4-8; 2-10 beginning stages. 8-6; 8-5; taste of success and upward trajectory. I believe we may have two or three years of similar winning results before we see just how good we can actually be.
Think of Bohl at NDSU. Dll and he had them at 10-1 and 10-1. Jump to FCS and he is 6-5; 3-8; 9-5 and then begins to succeed. He is at that 9-5 stage now with us. Unfortunately he has jumped another division higher and I think it will take a few more years of mid stage success before we see how great we become.
LanderPoke
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Nice. Thanks, Kansas
Asmodeanreborn
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ZapPoke said:Yeah, but does he play Ragtime Cowboy Joe on the piano?
I very much appreciate both Glenn and Bohl for "buying into" Wyoming and being great representatives for the university (and yes, I remember the finger - it felt warranted).
ragtimejoe1
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Because it fits here too and facts can be inconvenient...
Jury is still out on the next few years. Compare apples to apples. First 4 years:
Bohl is 22-29. Glenn was 21-26.
Glenn's average SOS was 65; Bohl's is 90.
Glenn's average final ranking (sag) was 71. Bohl's is 107.
Highest ranked (sag) Glenn team was 49. Bohl's is 73.
Glenn had 2 years of bowl eligibility and 1 bowl win. Bohl 2 years and 1-1.
Embarrassing losses? SJSU, E. Michigan x2, North Dakota besides the blowouts for Bohl. Glenn's are listed above.
Glenn's mountain was much higher and steeper by all reasonable measures.
Yep, unprecedented under Bohl (/sarcasm). Actually, looks pretty similar if not a bit in favor of Glenn through 4 years.
Jury is still out on the next few years. Compare apples to apples. First 4 years:
Bohl is 22-29. Glenn was 21-26.
Glenn's average SOS was 65; Bohl's is 90.
Glenn's average final ranking (sag) was 71. Bohl's is 107.
Highest ranked (sag) Glenn team was 49. Bohl's is 73.
Glenn had 2 years of bowl eligibility and 1 bowl win. Bohl 2 years and 1-1.
Embarrassing losses? SJSU, E. Michigan x2, North Dakota besides the blowouts for Bohl. Glenn's are listed above.
Glenn's mountain was much higher and steeper by all reasonable measures.
Yep, unprecedented under Bohl (/sarcasm). Actually, looks pretty similar if not a bit in favor of Glenn through 4 years.
