The truth about this...from "The Wire"

[PokeOLoco]

^ I've been thinking something similar but more that veteran players end up in the dog house, and very young players start instead of said experienced/better player because they can "just be coached up" when clearly they have limitations, and I think he said as much in the presser today.

 

[joshvanklomp]

I do also think that Bohl and company may have gotten a little too arrogant on their abilities to quickly develop players, both with the freshman and with the players they have moved to new spots. If true, this loss just took them down a peg.

4 players were moved to brand new positions, with three starting (Nzeocha, Kamana, May, Borland). Seems to reflect a little too much arrogance in their coaching. For both the linebacker and Oline positions, we had too many upper classmen quit. That's one reason we only have 8 seniors. Makes me think Bohl and coaches were quick to criticize the vets ("fat" and "soft"), pump up the freshmen/moved players, and were too high on their own teaching skills.

Don't think it has to do with arrogance. They had to move players and play freshmen because there were few other options.

 

[joshvanklomp]

I guess I missed your point then. I think it is easier to recruit for this system to FCS than it is to Wyoming...Teams who run this pro style of offense need huge linemen. Do you know where huge linemen go in FBS? Not to Wyoming. Maybe Bohl is missing the boat on linemen...You would assume that given the two choices of UW and UND (and all other considerations the same), that a player would choose UW every time. Either Bohl is missing these players completely, missing the boat on their recruiting process, or there is something about our program the players are turned off by. I don't know the answer. But if I had no idea which team was which on saturday, I would have assumed the green and white team were FBS and the brown and gold was FCS...

Player development isn't instantaneous. Not only on the field, but in the weight room as well.

You're right, we aren't going to get the 5-star lineman who are already 300+ pounds and sure-fire NFL prospects. Not yet. But guys can be developed. That doesn't happen overnight, though. A 280 lb lineman doesn't grow to 330 lbs in one summer. It's a process.

Ryan Cummings is a perfect example. Came in last year at 294 lbs. This year, he's listed at 314. Normally, he'd be able to take a year or two to get bigger before being thrust into the lineup, but the program doesn't have that luxury at this point. Until the program is establshed, these are the types of prospects we'll have to bring in.

 

[PokeOLoco]

I think Kiely could've helped us yesterday

 

[yopaulie]

I think Kiely could've helped us yesterday

And Finley.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

Well said. You nailed exactly how I feel as well. There was no excuse to getting dominated by North Dakota...NONE.

I hope Bohl gets this ship turned around. If we lose to EMU, I don't see us winning a game all year. This game versus Eastern Michigan (against a team that hasnt won a non-conference road game in about 30 years) is now one of the most important games as to the direction of our football program.

 

[ELKMT]

Bohl admitted over estimating his program's player development ability for this season. I like how he can identify an issue and I am looking forward to the adjustments he will make. I still am puzzled how he can lose to a D2 school with the amount of prep time he had. How could a no name school be further along in their development when being on the job the same amount of time as Bohl?

 

[yopaulie]

I do also think that Bohl and company may have gotten a little too arrogant on their abilities to quickly develop players, both with the freshman and with the players they have moved to new spots. If true, this loss just took them down a peg.

4 players were moved to brand new positions, with three starting (Nzeocha, Kamana, May, Borland). Seems to reflect a little too much arrogance in their coaching. For both the linebacker and Oline positions, we had too many upper classmen quit. That's one reason we only have 8 seniors. Makes me think Bohl and coaches were quick to criticize the vets ("fat" and "soft"), pump up the freshmen/moved players, and were too high on their own teaching skills.

Don't think it has to do with arrogance. They had to move players and play freshmen because there were few other options.

I'm a Bohl guy Josh, but I didn't see a ton of concern expressed when 3 olinemen, Hardy, Jones, and Traphagan, all left the program this year. Bohl talked up the new line as improved. Maybe they still will be by year end.

This game caught Bohl more off guard than any game I've seen him lead. I think Bohl's 3 straight FCS games and the win over Ksu did give him and his staff a bit of over confidence, and showed leading into this game. Now its time for Bohl to show the smarts to adjust that he displayed during his Ndsu tenure.

 

[yopaulie]

Bohl admitted over estimating his program's player development ability for this season. I like how he can identify an issue and I am looking forward to the adjustments he will make. I still am puzzled how he can lose to a D2 school with the amount of prep time he had. How could a no name school be further along in their development when being on the job the same amount of time as Bohl?

Not an excuse, and not to reopen this debate, but the difference between G5 FBS and upper tier FCS is smaller than you seem to be saying. The top FCS conference is on par with the Sun Belt. Again not an excuse.

Because what is disturbing is that Und dominated, and had no history of being close to upper tier in FCS.

 

[joshvanklomp]

I'm a Bohl guy Josh, but I didn't see a ton of concern expressed when 3 olinemen, Hardy, Jones, and Traphagan, all left the program this year.

Coaches can't worry themselves about what they don't have, especially when those players walk out on the team. Now's the time to work on the players he does have. Clearly, there's work to be done, but I don't have a problem with the lack of concern over the departed.

 

[yopaulie]

I'm a Bohl guy Josh, but I didn't see a ton of concern expressed when 3 olinemen, Hardy, Jones, and Traphagan, all left the program this year.

Coaches can't worry themselves about what they don't have, especially when those players walk out on the team. Now's the time to work on the players he does have. Clearly, there's work to be done, but I don't have a problem with the lack of concern over the departed.

Part of the coaches job is retaining the key players you have. One guy leaves, I get it. two, ok. Three lineman...something happened. It about the concern before they go, not about concern after its too late.