The truth about this...from "The Wire"

[SnowyRange]

I sat at the stadium on Saturday along with 24,000 other people, with my head in my hands. Total disbelief.

Then during that disaster, and moreso afterwards, I got angry. Angry at the coaches, the play calls, the players, the administration, the referees, the wind, the mountains (as they don't seem to give a goddamn). You name it. I was mad.

But the the real horror strikes you: your anger, no one's anger, makes one whit of difference. You want a miracle, a quick rise out of this football mud bog we've been in for years. And then you realize...it is isn't going to happen. This isn't going to be one of the vanishingly rare cases where a new coach turns a program around in his second year. (Of course, since you're a fan, you hold out hope this was an aberration, and the season could turn out decently. But you keep that to yourself.)

It suddenly strikes you that we don't "deserve" anything. That just because we've sucked for a good long while, it doesn't mean a new direction for the program is any easier. That it just doesn't matter who our coach was 3 years ago, 8 years ago -- 12, 18, 27 years ago -- as history plays no role in where we are now. We have a new coach, a new recruiting regime, new captains of the offensive and defensive ship.

We'll be able to tell if these guys succeed, or not, just as all other programs do: four or five years into the regime. (It can happen sooner -- 1 and 11 in the third year tells you something, so does 11 and 1 -- but it's unlikely.)

And that is it. Just like Marlo Stanfield said on "The Wire:"

"You want it to be one way...but it's the other way."

 

[LanderPoke]

off topic - I swear there was more than 24k there.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I think, for me, I was hoping to build on last year's bright spots. The complete and horrifying regression was shocking.

I expected a well coached team that controlled things that they could control like discipline.

It wasn't just the loss. It was the worst game in POKE history. You don't expect that in year 2 and is the reason for my frustration.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I think, for me, I was hoping to build on last year's bright spots. The complete and horrifying regression was shocking.

I expected a well coached team that controlled things that they could control like discipline.

It wasn't just the loss. It was the worst game in POKE history. You don't expect that in year 2 and is the reason for my frustration.

Bohl got flat out out-coached and his players played with ZERO discipline. Losing sucks that's true. But losing while shooting ourselves in the foot over and over and over while the coaches make no attempt at adjustments pisses me off. Why the hell did we fire CDC if two years later and nothing changed...

 

[HR_Poke]

I think, for me, I was hoping to build on last year's bright spots. The complete and horrifying regression was shocking.

I expected a well coached team that controlled things that they could control like discipline.

It wasn't just the loss. It was the worst game in POKE history. You don't expect that in year 2 and is the reason for my frustration.

Bohl got flat out out-coached and his players played with ZERO discipline. Losing sucks that's true. But losing while shooting ourselves in the foot over and over and over while the coaches make no attempt at adjustments pisses me off. Why the hell did we fire CDC if two years later and nothing changed...

that really bothered me too. For the life of me I couldn't figure out why vigen didn't adjust the play calling at half time. 9 men in the box on every first down and we choose to run up the middle or throw a quick slant to gentry in traffic. I pretty much knew every play before it happened and I'm no football genius, just played too much ncaa football on my ps2 in college.

 

[seattlecowboy]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Seattle nailed it. A good showing against EMU will do a lot for angst, but damn what just happened is not a good sign.

 

[SnowyRange]

Seattle nailed it. A good showing against EMU will do a lot for angst, but damn what just happened is not a good sign.

Losing is never a good sign. Losing that particular game is a bad sign. Winning that game wouldn't have been much of a sign, either way.

But the point is we can squint at the tea leaves all we want, but the real tale won't be told until about 2 years from last Saturday. Maybe three.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Seattle nailed it. A good showing against EMU will do a lot for angst, but damn what just happened is not a good sign.

Losing is never a good sign. Losing that particular game is a bad sign. Winning that game wouldn't have been much of a sign, either way.

But the point is we can squint at the tea leaves all we want, but the real tale won't be told until about 2 years from last Saturday. Maybe three.

There is lots of rebuilding going on in the MWC right now. It will be interesting to watch but our pace should not be slower than our peers'.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

Its comparing apples to oranges. I am in no way saying that Saturdays performance was acceptable to the future we envisioned. I AM NOT. But it will be an easier task to rebuild a middle of the road FCS team than a bottom of the barrel FBS team. Wyoming has to recruit agains teams like Boise State, Colorado State, Washington, Washington State, and a myriad of other high level O5 teams and a low level P5 teams. Tell me how recruiting in the FCS is the same as in the FBS? It is going to take us considerably longer to recruit here than at UND. Now, if were to UND jump to the FBS, they will struggle recruiting just like we do.

Before anyone blabs on that this is proof we should drop to FCS, that is also not what I am saying. If we dropped to FCS you can say goodbye to what little national attention we get, you can say goodbye to most of the funding we receive (state money and all conference monies), and you can say goodbye to all of the facility upgrades we have upcoming. Dropping to FCS would not be the shot in the arm our program needs (like many on this board rail on about), it will be the death of our program.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

If I may be permitted to, I'd like to take a crack at surmising the entire day in a much shorter paragraph that can and will distinguish both programs biggest difference under 2 coaching staffs that have been around for identical times.

North Dakota has much better lineman than does Wyoming on both sides of the ball.

Done.

 

[seattlecowboy]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

Its comparing apples to oranges. I am in no way saying that Saturdays performance was acceptable to the future we envisioned. I AM NOT. But it will be an easier task to rebuild a middle of the road FCS team than a bottom of the barrel FBS team. Wyoming has to recruit agains teams like Boise State, Colorado State, Washington, Washington State, and a myriad of other high level O5 teams and a low level P5 teams. Tell me how recruiting in the FCS is the same as in the FBS? It is going to take us considerably longer to recruit here than at UND. Now, if were to UND jump to the FBS, they will struggle recruiting just like we do.

Before anyone blabs on that this is proof we should drop to FCS, that is also not what I am saying. If we dropped to FCS you can say goodbye to what little national attention we get, you can say goodbye to most of the funding we receive (state money and all conference monies), and you can say goodbye to all of the facility upgrades we have upcoming. Dropping to FCS would not be the shot in the arm our program needs (like many on this board rail on about), it will be the death of our program.

Not sure how it is comparing apples to oranges. Both have had the same amount of time to turn things around and so by your reasoning Bubba can get better players to North Dakota who went 5-7 last year than Bohl can get to an FBS school with more money and better resources in the same amount of time? So because North Dakota is an FCS school they can now recruit better and faster than Wyoming can? Because Bubba didn't beat an FCS school on Saturday , last time I checked we are still an FBS school. He obviously did something better than Bohl that is for sure.

 

[seattlecowboy]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

If I may be permitted to, I'd like to take a crack at surmising the entire day in a much shorter paragraph that can and will distinguish both programs biggest difference under 2 coaching staffs that have been around for identical times.

North Dakota has much better lineman than does Wyoming on both sides of the ball.

Done.

I would say that has to be the reason cause I can't think of anything else.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

Its comparing apples to oranges. I am in no way saying that Saturdays performance was acceptable to the future we envisioned. I AM NOT. But it will be an easier task to rebuild a middle of the road FCS team than a bottom of the barrel FBS team. Wyoming has to recruit agains teams like Boise State, Colorado State, Washington, Washington State, and a myriad of other high level O5 teams and a low level P5 teams. Tell me how recruiting in the FCS is the same as in the FBS? It is going to take us considerably longer to recruit here than at UND. Now, if were to UND jump to the FBS, they will struggle recruiting just like we do.

Before anyone blabs on that this is proof we should drop to FCS, that is also not what I am saying. If we dropped to FCS you can say goodbye to what little national attention we get, you can say goodbye to most of the funding we receive (state money and all conference monies), and you can say goodbye to all of the facility upgrades we have upcoming. Dropping to FCS would not be the shot in the arm our program needs (like many on this board rail on about), it will be the death of our program.

Not sure how it is comparing apples to oranges. Both have had the same amount of time to turn things around and so by your reasoning Bubba can get better players to North Dakota who went 5-7 last year than Bohl can get to an FBS school with more money and better resources in the same amount of time? So because North Dakota is an FCS school they can now recruit better and faster than Wyoming can? Because Bubba didn't beat an FCS school on Saturday , last time I checked we are still an FBS school. He obviously did something better than Bohl that is for sure.

You saw the game...It sure looks like UND had a better compliment of players, young and old, than Wyoming did. Thats either recruiting to his system or he was left with more experienced players or both. You tell me... maybe it is an easier time recruiting mid to high level FCS players to UND than low level FBS players to Laramie.

 

[seattlecowboy]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

Its comparing apples to oranges. I am in no way saying that Saturdays performance was acceptable to the future we envisioned. I AM NOT. But it will be an easier task to rebuild a middle of the road FCS team than a bottom of the barrel FBS team. Wyoming has to recruit agains teams like Boise State, Colorado State, Washington, Washington State, and a myriad of other high level O5 teams and a low level P5 teams. Tell me how recruiting in the FCS is the same as in the FBS? It is going to take us considerably longer to recruit here than at UND. Now, if were to UND jump to the FBS, they will struggle recruiting just like we do.

Before anyone blabs on that this is proof we should drop to FCS, that is also not what I am saying. If we dropped to FCS you can say goodbye to what little national attention we get, you can say goodbye to most of the funding we receive (state money and all conference monies), and you can say goodbye to all of the facility upgrades we have upcoming. Dropping to FCS would not be the shot in the arm our program needs (like many on this board rail on about), it will be the death of our program.

Not sure how it is comparing apples to oranges. Both have had the same amount of time to turn things around and so by your reasoning Bubba can get better players to North Dakota who went 5-7 last year than Bohl can get to an FBS school with more money and better resources in the same amount of time? So because North Dakota is an FCS school they can now recruit better and faster than Wyoming can? Because Bubba didn't beat an FCS school on Saturday , last time I checked we are still an FBS school. He obviously did something better than Bohl that is for sure.

You saw the game...It sure looks like UND had a better compliment of players, young and old, than Wyoming did. Thats either recruiting to his system or he was left with more experienced players or both. You tell me... maybe it is an easier time recruiting mid to high level FCS players to UND than low level FBS players to Laramie.

I guess that is kind of the point. If this is the case then we have a major problem with the football program at Wyoming.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

Its comparing apples to oranges. I am in no way saying that Saturdays performance was acceptable to the future we envisioned. I AM NOT. But it will be an easier task to rebuild a middle of the road FCS team than a bottom of the barrel FBS team. Wyoming has to recruit agains teams like Boise State, Colorado State, Washington, Washington State, and a myriad of other high level O5 teams and a low level P5 teams. Tell me how recruiting in the FCS is the same as in the FBS? It is going to take us considerably longer to recruit here than at UND. Now, if were to UND jump to the FBS, they will struggle recruiting just like we do.

Before anyone blabs on that this is proof we should drop to FCS, that is also not what I am saying. If we dropped to FCS you can say goodbye to what little national attention we get, you can say goodbye to most of the funding we receive (state money and all conference monies), and you can say goodbye to all of the facility upgrades we have upcoming. Dropping to FCS would not be the shot in the arm our program needs (like many on this board rail on about), it will be the death of our program.

Not sure how it is comparing apples to oranges. Both have had the same amount of time to turn things around and so by your reasoning Bubba can get better players to North Dakota who went 5-7 last year than Bohl can get to an FBS school with more money and better resources in the same amount of time? So because North Dakota is an FCS school they can now recruit better and faster than Wyoming can? Because Bubba didn't beat an FCS school on Saturday , last time I checked we are still an FBS school. He obviously did something better than Bohl that is for sure.

You saw the game...It sure looks like UND had a better compliment of players, young and old, than Wyoming did. Thats either recruiting to his system or he was left with more experienced players or both. You tell me... maybe it is an easier time recruiting mid to high level FCS players to UND than low level FBS players to Laramie.

I guess that is kind of the point. If this is the case then we have a major problem with the football program at Wyoming.

I guess I missed your point then. I think it is easier to recruit for this system to FCS than it is to Wyoming...Teams who run this pro style of offense need huge linemen. Do you know where huge linemen go in FBS? Not to Wyoming. Maybe Bohl is missing the boat on linemen...You would assume that given the two choices of UW and UND (and all other considerations the same), that a player would choose UW every time. Either Bohl is missing these players completely, missing the boat on their recruiting process, or there is something about our program the players are turned off by. I don't know the answer. But if I had no idea which team was which on saturday, I would have assumed the green and white team were FBS and the brown and gold was FCS...

 

[seattlecowboy]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

Its comparing apples to oranges. I am in no way saying that Saturdays performance was acceptable to the future we envisioned. I AM NOT. But it will be an easier task to rebuild a middle of the road FCS team than a bottom of the barrel FBS team. Wyoming has to recruit agains teams like Boise State, Colorado State, Washington, Washington State, and a myriad of other high level O5 teams and a low level P5 teams. Tell me how recruiting in the FCS is the same as in the FBS? It is going to take us considerably longer to recruit here than at UND. Now, if were to UND jump to the FBS, they will struggle recruiting just like we do.

Before anyone blabs on that this is proof we should drop to FCS, that is also not what I am saying. If we dropped to FCS you can say goodbye to what little national attention we get, you can say goodbye to most of the funding we receive (state money and all conference monies), and you can say goodbye to all of the facility upgrades we have upcoming. Dropping to FCS would not be the shot in the arm our program needs (like many on this board rail on about), it will be the death of our program.

Not sure how it is comparing apples to oranges. Both have had the same amount of time to turn things around and so by your reasoning Bubba can get better players to North Dakota who went 5-7 last year than Bohl can get to an FBS school with more money and better resources in the same amount of time? So because North Dakota is an FCS school they can now recruit better and faster than Wyoming can? Because Bubba didn't beat an FCS school on Saturday , last time I checked we are still an FBS school. He obviously did something better than Bohl that is for sure.

You saw the game...It sure looks like UND had a better compliment of players, young and old, than Wyoming did. Thats either recruiting to his system or he was left with more experienced players or both. You tell me... maybe it is an easier time recruiting mid to high level FCS players to UND than low level FBS players to Laramie.

I guess that is kind of the point. If this is the case then we have a major problem with the football program at Wyoming.

I guess I missed your point then. I think it is easier to recruit for this system to FCS than it is to Wyoming...Teams who run this pro style of offense need huge linemen. Do you know where huge linemen go in FBS? Not to Wyoming. Maybe Bohl is missing the boat on linemen...You would assume that given the two choices of UW and UND (and all other considerations the same), that a player would choose UW every time. Either Bohl is missing these players completely, missing the boat on their recruiting process, or there is something about our program the players are turned off by. I don't know the answer. But if I had no idea which team was which on saturday, I would have assumed the green and white team were FBS and the brown and gold was FCS...

Yeah , my main point was that while you are correct it is easier to recruit FCS players to beat out other FCS teams with a certain scheme Wyoming should still be able to get good enough FBS players to beat an FCS team at home that went 5-7 last year when both coaches had the same amount of time. I wasn't saying Bohl was supposed to have good enough players already to win the MWC. I just meant how is it that a 5-7 FCS school from last year can come in and dominate and FBS team when both programs have been in place the same amount of time. Anyways... only thing I can come to is that North Dakota has better lineman which is a real concern for our defensive line since it was supposed to be halfway decent this year. The offensive line I can understand a little bit more but not the defensive line.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Here is the part that is the most concerning to me the more I think about this...... Let's take a trip to the year of 2013.

In the year 2013 Bohl's final season at NDSU they end up 15-0 and win their 3rd championship.

Bubba Sweigert (North Dakota Head Coach) was the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois. They finished 7-5 and 4th place in the MVC. North Dakota in 2013 has a record of 3-8.

Forward to the year 2014 ..... Bohl Takes over as the Wyoming coach. Bubba takes over as the North Dakota head coach.

Just to be clear BOTH coaches took over their programs the same year.

Wyoming finishes 4-8 at the FBS level only playing one FCS school Montana. North Dakota finishes 5-7 playing 11 FCS schools and only one FBS school. (SJSU beat them 42-10).

Here we are in 2015...... Both coaches have had the same amount of time to this date to start turning their programs around. One at an FCS school that was below .500 and not near the money or facilities of the other at an FBS school.

Both have to implement their own schemes and bring in their own "guys" or "players" to run their systems. One has to take his team on the road to play at a school with more money and more facilities and no advantage of having an extra year or two years with players in his system . He in fact has the exact same time as the team playing at home has had to start building something.

He brings in a Freshman running back in his first division 1 game..... while the FBS team has 2 running backs back from the prior year. One a senior who has already played against Michigan St, Oregon, Boise St. and has run quite well. The other a sophomore who had the single best game running the football ever seen by a Wyoming player. Supposed to be a great one two punch this year.

Guess what happens??? The team with the freshman running back runs for 270 yards and the freshman himself in his first FBS game runs for 148. While the FBS team can only run for 58 yards with both backs COMBINED not including QB sack yards taken out.

Final Score 24-13 FCS school is the victor ......game wasn't even this close either.

SO to recap..... BOTH schools have had their coaches the SAME amount of time to start "BUILDING" what they are supposed to put into place to turn things around and the FCS coach not only has his team ready to win the game they go on the road and DOMINATE...

Now I am not saying jump off the band wagon and I am not saying don't give Bohl more time...... if you want to give him more time to match up to teams in the MWC. BUT anyone who says he needs more time to get his players to turn things around and start building to beat an FCS team at home who just hired their coach at the exact same time and then gets his ass kicked? GTFOH :lol:

Yeah I am calm but thought I would point this out unless anyone missed it. There is obviously something very very wrong with the football program when this can happen. It would be one thing if Bubba came in here and has had his team for 5 years playing together and it happened but the fact he had the same exact time as Bohl to do things and he completely manhandled Bohl's team tells me there is some major problems.

If you're a football fan of Wyoming be concerned be very concerned. I am still hopeful that Bohl turns this around though. I pray that this was somehow one big giant fluke. Hope the Pokes come out and destroy EMU this week and play better going forward.

As for myself I am not even angry , never was actually as I have become almost numb to Wyoming football from the pain it has caused over so many years now. Hope to one day be able to get nervous for a big game again like happened so many times last year with the basketball team. Can only get better from here right?

Its comparing apples to oranges. I am in no way saying that Saturdays performance was acceptable to the future we envisioned. I AM NOT. But it will be an easier task to rebuild a middle of the road FCS team than a bottom of the barrel FBS team. Wyoming has to recruit agains teams like Boise State, Colorado State, Washington, Washington State, and a myriad of other high level O5 teams and a low level P5 teams. Tell me how recruiting in the FCS is the same as in the FBS? It is going to take us considerably longer to recruit here than at UND. Now, if were to UND jump to the FBS, they will struggle recruiting just like we do.

Before anyone blabs on that this is proof we should drop to FCS, that is also not what I am saying. If we dropped to FCS you can say goodbye to what little national attention we get, you can say goodbye to most of the funding we receive (state money and all conference monies), and you can say goodbye to all of the facility upgrades we have upcoming. Dropping to FCS would not be the shot in the arm our program needs (like many on this board rail on about), it will be the death of our program.

Not sure how it is comparing apples to oranges. Both have had the same amount of time to turn things around and so by your reasoning Bubba can get better players to North Dakota who went 5-7 last year than Bohl can get to an FBS school with more money and better resources in the same amount of time? So because North Dakota is an FCS school they can now recruit better and faster than Wyoming can? Because Bubba didn't beat an FCS school on Saturday , last time I checked we are still an FBS school. He obviously did something better than Bohl that is for sure.

You saw the game...It sure looks like UND had a better compliment of players, young and old, than Wyoming did. Thats either recruiting to his system or he was left with more experienced players or both. You tell me... maybe it is an easier time recruiting mid to high level FCS players to UND than low level FBS players to Laramie.

I guess that is kind of the point. If this is the case then we have a major problem with the football program at Wyoming.

I guess I missed your point then. I think it is easier to recruit for this system to FCS than it is to Wyoming...Teams who run this pro style of offense need huge linemen. Do you know where huge linemen go in FBS? Not to Wyoming. Maybe Bohl is missing the boat on linemen...You would assume that given the two choices of UW and UND (and all other considerations the same), that a player would choose UW every time. Either Bohl is missing these players completely, missing the boat on their recruiting process, or there is something about our program the players are turned off by. I don't know the answer. But if I had no idea which team was which on saturday, I would have assumed the green and white team were FBS and the brown and gold was FCS...

Yeah , my main point was that while you are correct it is easier to recruit FCS players to beat out other FCS teams with a certain scheme Wyoming should still be able to get good enough FBS players to beat an FCS team at home that went 5-7 last year when both coaches had the same amount of time. I wasn't saying Bohl was supposed to have good enough players already to win the MWC. I just meant how is it that a 5-7 FCS school from last year can come in and dominate and FBS team when both programs have been in place the same amount of time. Anyways... only thing I can come to is that North Dakota has better lineman which is a real concern for our defensive line since it was supposed to be halfway decent this year. The offensive line I can understand a little bit more but not the defensive line.

We can both agree that our defensive line was a joke. How the hell does Uso get rag dolled every play by guys taller and lighter than him? He's an absolute monster in the weight room but cant push the line in the slightest.... It's baffling honeslty

 

[BJC]

coaching of said defensive line?

Couldn't watch the game but....these guys didn't suddenly get worse...did they?

 

[yopaulie]

I do also think that Bohl and company may have gotten a little too arrogant on their abilities to quickly develop players, both with the freshman and with the players they have moved to new spots. If true, this loss just took them down a peg.

4 players were moved to brand new positions, with three starting (Nzeocha, Kamana, May, Borland). Seems to reflect a little too much arrogance in their coaching. For both the linebacker and Oline positions, we had too many upper classmen quit. That's one reason we only have 8 seniors. Makes me think Bohl and coaches were quick to criticize the vets ("fat" and "soft"), pump up the freshmen/moved players, and were too high on their own teaching skills.

All that said - I think Bohl is a very very smart coach, and that he has the ability to adjust. And hopefully he and the staff learn a few lessons about themselves.