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The Travesty - or - Travesties

McPeachy

McPeachy

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In this order...

1. Tom Burman - will be involved in the decision making of our next coach.

2. The Players - the number of position coach changes, changes in positions, and schemes they endured.

3. Marty English - scapegoat #1. Demoted? For what again?

4. The Assistants in general - now unemployed (or soon to be). At least the ones that left...did just that.

5. Greg Brandon - scapegoat #2. He saw the writing and couldn't deal with the ego.

6. Chris Tormey - scapegoat #3. Say what you want, he was sacrificed.

7. The fanbase - 25 years of mediocre to shit football, and here we go again

8. DC himself - I got something for you DC: you can be a dick, if you win. And only if you win. Hope you learned.
 
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McPeachy said:
In this order...

1. Tom Burman - will be involved in the decision making of our next coach.

1B. The Board of Trustees - okay with status quo and being "good enough" when we arent even good.

2. The Players - the number of position coach changes, changes in positions, and schemes they endured.

3. Marty English - scapegoat #1. Demoted? For what again?

4. The Assistants in general - now unemployed (or soon to be). At least the ones that left...did just that.

5. Greg Brandon - scapegoat #2. He saw the writing and couldn't deal with the ego.

6. Chris Tormey - scapegoat #3. Say what you want, he was sacrificed.

7. The fanbase - 25 years of mediocre to shit football, and here we go again

8. DC himself - I got something for you DC: you can be a dick, if you win. And only if you win. Hope you learned.
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Of course Burman's going to be "involved" in the hire. He'll have final say. That's what ADs do.

And that's not a travesty. He made a good hire in Christensen, though it didn't work out. We all hope there's another hire of someone at that level, but that this next one does pan out.
 
SnowyRange said:
Of course Burman's going to be "involved" in the hire. He'll have final say. That's what ADs do.

And that's not a travesty. He made a good hire in Christensen, though it didn't work out. We all hope there's another hire of someone at that level, but that this next one does pan out.
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I completely and emphatically disagree. Burman is a horrific athletic director. He made a horrible hire with Christensen (hindsight being 20/20 of course), as well as a horrible decision that cost UW over 500K in contract extension money (again). Further, he let DC run all over him and his department, from day 1. I could go on an on about Burman's track record here at Wyoming, and probably will have to - just to make my point. And I know, he made that great hire wrestling coach - Branch.
 
I completely and emphatically disagree. Burman is a horrific athletic director.
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Yes, we'll just have to disagree.

As for the Christensen hire, though: that was definitely a good hire. We got a successful, big-time coordinator, who was coveted by other schools. Did it work out? Nope. Were there five guys out there who might have done better? Sure. Were there five guys out there who might have done worse? Sure. But, it's not really debatable that we made the choice for good, solid reasons.

Let's hope we can attract someone else like that, and that he does better.
 
"Wyoming Board of Trustees President David Bostrom said he has, "complete faith" in AD Tom Burman to hire UW's next football coach."


one word.




dammit.
 
djm19 said:
"Wyoming Board of Trustees President David Bostrom said he has, "complete faith" in AD Tom Burman to hire UW's next football coach."


one word.




dammit.
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Two words.

Oh, shit!!! :roll:
 
McPeachy said:
Wyokie said:
djm19 said:
"Wyoming Board of Trustees President David Bostrom said he has, "complete faith" in AD Tom Burman to hire UW's next football coach."


one word.




dammit.
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Two words.

Oh, shit!!! :roll:
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Three words.

We are fucked.
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I am completely gobsmacked by this. Are the BOT's that out of touch? Seriously, nothing is going to change until voters can fire those people.
 
SnowyRange said:
Of course Burman's going to be "involved" in the hire. He'll have final say. That's what ADs do.

And that's not a travesty. He made a good hire in Christensen, though it didn't work out. We all hope there's another hire of someone at that level, but that this next one does pan out.
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What kind of world do you live in that someone who failed was still a "good hire"?
 
Burman proved he was shitty AD undeserving of the position when he hired Heath Schroyer. He made that point even clearer when he extended the contract. WYO has zero MWC championships during the TB era, and people think he is a good AD?
 
marcuswyo said:
Burman proved he was shitty AD undeserving of the position when he hired Heath Schroyer. He made that point even clearer when he extended the contract. WYO has zero MWC championships during the TB era, and people think he is a good AD?
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Well, he is a "Wyoming guy" though - so he has that going for him. :lol:
 
At the time Dave Christensen was a hire that was hard to argue with. We picked up the OC of the #2 team in the country that year. It didn't work out but in December 2008 you would be hard pressed to find someone who thought it was a bad hire. The extension is debateable, but at the time DC was a quality hire.
 
calpoke25 said:
At the time Dave Christensen was a hire that was hard to argue with. We picked up the OC of the #2 team in the country that year. It didn't work out but in December 2008 you would be hard pressed to find someone who thought it was a bad hire. The extension is debateable, but at the time DC was a quality hire.
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I thought so as well. Then on his 17th day on the job, I met him. From then on, I never liked the son-of-a-bitch. I still gave him (and staff) my support, and patience, but looking back - wow what a bad hire. Hell, there were actually many other candidates if you think back (Charlie Strong, Dan Mullen, Terry Bowden, Gary Barnett, etc., etc.)

Look how Missouri is doing these days. Not sure it was DC as the OC anymore.
 
calpoke25 said:
At the time Dave Christensen was a hire that was hard to argue with. We picked up the OC of the #2 team in the country that year. It didn't work out but in December 2008 you would be hard pressed to find someone who thought it was a bad hire. The extension is debateable, but at the time DC was a quality hire.
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Exactly. At the time of the hire, it was a "good hire". With hindsight, we obviously know it wasn't a good tenure.
 
McPeachy said:
calpoke25 said:
At the time Dave Christensen was a hire that was hard to argue with. We picked up the OC of the #2 team in the country that year. It didn't work out but in December 2008 you would be hard pressed to find someone who thought it was a bad hire. The extension is debateable, but at the time DC was a quality hire.
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I thought so as well. Then on his 17th day on the job, I met him. From then on, I never liked the son-of-a-bitch. I still gave him (and staff) my support, and patience, but looking back - wow what a bad hire. Hell, there were actually many other candidates if you think back (Charlie Strong, Dan Mullen, Terry Bowden, Gary Barnett, etc., etc.)

Look how Missouri is doing these days. Not sure it was DC as the OC anymore.
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You not liking him isn't the same thing as recognizing it was a bad hire. Hindsight is 20/20. I don't remember some of the names you mentioned as being seriously considered for the wyoming job at that time. Yes Mizzou is doing well without DC, but again, my point is in December 2008 no one could have known these things and I won't fault Burman for that. At that time DC was a quality hire with a resume we were looking for coming off of a FCS coach.
 
calpoke25 said:
You not liking him isn't the same thing as recognizing it was a bad hire. Hindsight is 20/20. I don't remember some of the names you mentioned as being seriously considered for the wyoming job at that time. Yes Mizzou is doing well without DC, but again, my point is in December 2008 no one could have known these things and I won't fault Burman for that. At that time DC was a quality hire with a resume we were looking for coming off of a FCS coach.
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You are right - I am biased (after I met him at least). But holy shit - there is a character flaw there. And I saw it, and talked with it, and I was quite taken back. A character flaw that somebody (Burman) should have seen or known about prior to the hire (during the interview process). Where are the advab/asvab personality test results!? ;)

That said, I continued to support him and was patient. (Again looking back) - maybe there was something wrong with the hiring process? After all, this was Tom's second attempt, and he jacked the first one. Maybe he doesn't know how to do it? Maybe he doesn't know how to evaluate people & hire? He must have thought so, right, as he involved a committee of folks for the Shyatt hire.
 
SnowyRange said:
What kind of world do you live in that someone who failed was still a "good hire"?
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The real one. Not the la-la land of believing that everyone can see the future.

How about you?
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So results don't matter in the "real world"?

The only "good hires" are the ones that result in success. When your hire fails, you look back and examine it, and try to identify the erroneous decisions. Any personality profile or MMPI-type diagnostic probably would have tripped someone like Christensen up pretty quickly. Arrogance and blind obstinacy in the face of direct results and tangible evidence are pretty indicative of personality disorders of a level that should preclude someone as an executive.
 
The only "good hires" are the ones that result in success. When your hire fails, you look back and examine it, and try to identify the erroneous decisions. Any personality profile or MMPI-type diagnostic probably would have tripped someone like Christensen up pretty quickly. Arrogance and blind obstinacy in the face of direct results and tangible evidence are pretty indicative of personality disorders of a level that should preclude someone as an executive.
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Well, I don't want to get hung up on terminology, so maybe we don't really disagree. What I mean is that the hiring of a big-time, successful coordinator, who was coveted by other schools, was a good choice. Do all good choices pan out? Nope. But we aimed high, as we should, and gave him the tools he said he needed to succeed. The failure rests on him, not our process or choice.

(The notion of giving candidates diagnostic tests is funny, though! At that level of football coach, they're probably all OCD sociopaths.)
 
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