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The CSewe coach makes 2x the UW coach?
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BeaverPoke
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You guys are fools if you don't think that coaching salaries mean anything. It's supply and demand. Up and coming, and elite coaches have a market price. Why go to "insert school here" for half as much as "insert other school here".
You guys that think just because one or two coaches will take less money and eventually become part of the good ole boys club, that all coaches should do that are mistaken.
Truth is, it's not about where you are, it's about how much money you are getting paid. You think Les Miles would have stayed at LSU if Michigan would have offered him what they are paying Harbough?
You think Andersen leaves a power in Wisconsin to go to Corvallis if the Beavers don't jump from the bottom of the Pac in coaching salaries to the top?
Get real. This is why Wyo football sucks. The biggest supporters don't think we should even be competitive with the school down south.
You guys that think just because one or two coaches will take less money and eventually become part of the good ole boys club, that all coaches should do that are mistaken.
Truth is, it's not about where you are, it's about how much money you are getting paid. You think Les Miles would have stayed at LSU if Michigan would have offered him what they are paying Harbough?
You think Andersen leaves a power in Wisconsin to go to Corvallis if the Beavers don't jump from the bottom of the Pac in coaching salaries to the top?
Get real. This is why Wyo football sucks. The biggest supporters don't think we should even be competitive with the school down south.
BeaverPoke
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McPeachy said:
So what you are saying is, who is better out of Iowa vs Minnesota?
2005. Same record. Iowa won head to head. Advantage: Iowa
2006. Same record. Minnesota won head to head. Advantage: Minnesota
2007. Iowa better record.
2008. Iowa
2009. Iowa
2010. Iowa
2011. Iowa
2012. Minnesota.
2013. Same record. Iowa won head to head. Advantage: Iowa
2014. Minnesota
Minnesota: 55-70
Iowa: 73-53
Minnesota Bowl Games: 0-6 (will be 0-7 or 1-6 after New Years)
Iowa Bowl Games: 3-4 (1 BCS Bowl win and will be 4-4 or 3-5 after January 2nd)
Iowa vs. Minnesota head to head: 6-4 IOWA
More $$$ means more wins.
joshvanklomp
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FYI, the New Mexico OC is the 7th highest-paid assistant in the Mountain West, behind 4 Boise assistants, CSewe OC and Fresno OC. Clearly that's why the Lobos beat Wyoming this year and were so dominant in the Mountain West this year.
BeaverPoke
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joshvanklomp said:
Quit pointing out the exceptions to the rule.
Let's look at Nick Sabans money versus... Toledos. Les Miles vs.... Akron.
Kyle Whittinghams vs... Coach Bohl.
You know that there is a strong correlation of more money equals better results.
joshvanklomp
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BeaverPoke said:
Jerry Kill has only been in Minnesota since 2011. In that time, Minnesota is 25-25 and Iowa is 26-24. So they are paying twice as much money for essentially the same production. And if you lived around here, you'd know that Iowa is on a downturn while Minnesota is quickly rising.
joshvanklomp
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You are cherry-picking the numbers you want just as much as I am.BeaverPoke said:
How about comparing Boise's to Michigan or Arkansas? Less money, more results.
McPeachy
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joshvanklomp said:
FFS. Arguing just to argue. Christ.
Whether a CEO, a Crapplebee's line cook, a porn star, or a football coach...typically the more you bring to the table, the more you get paid. Of course there are the rare exceptions...but not many. And then there are those that lose their jobs if they don't succeed (for your sake - that would be Kirk Ferentz next season if Iowa isn't a 8+ win team...or that may be Jerry Kill if Minnesota goes 2-10 the next 2 seasons). It is all relative and evens out in the long run.
Point being, if UW offered a total salary pool of 2.5 - 3.0 million for (all) coaches, we would more than likely have a more qualified staff that would more than likely succeed - to a certain level. Dickface didn't have the assistant salary pool that Honey BooBoo has either - FWIW.
bladerunnr
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Well stated McPeachy. I have thought for some time that our athletic dept. has just been paying the bare minimum to get a qualified candidate. Shyatt is vastly underpaid compared to Eustachy. Were lucky he's stayed.
Why spend all the money on the stadium renovations and then nickel and dime the coaches salaries? Who knows? We might have got Jeff Tedford to come here. You think Brett Smith would have left if he was the hire?
Now that the price of oil and natural gas is tanking, I doubt we'll see the purse strings open up any further. It's a shame.
Why spend all the money on the stadium renovations and then nickel and dime the coaches salaries? Who knows? We might have got Jeff Tedford to come here. You think Brett Smith would have left if he was the hire?
Now that the price of oil and natural gas is tanking, I doubt we'll see the purse strings open up any further. It's a shame.
SnowyRange
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As a general matter -- especially regarding UW -- that's the way this state runs things. We pay for buildings. Won't pay for people.
Our coaching salaries need to be higher than the target coaching staff we want to recruit. The reason is simple - we have to entice the staff to come to a somewhat remote place and deal with some slightly different challenges that other universities don't have.
You can get nearly any coach to come to Laramie for the right price. Most coaches aren't used to the high altitude, the cold, the wind, and the remoteness. If you find a decent coach, paying them at market value or less will certainly get them looking for a different job as soon as the possibility arises.
The AD seriously needs to take into consideration how to get more money into all assistant and position coaches in all departments. The positions and assistants should be able to say ' well, i live in a nice community, it has its challenges, but i'm treated well and it would take a very significant salary/benefit's increase and just the right school for me to leave.'
Seriously, you don't retain talent by paying them crap, dumping all over them, and make them want to move on.
You can get nearly any coach to come to Laramie for the right price. Most coaches aren't used to the high altitude, the cold, the wind, and the remoteness. If you find a decent coach, paying them at market value or less will certainly get them looking for a different job as soon as the possibility arises.
The AD seriously needs to take into consideration how to get more money into all assistant and position coaches in all departments. The positions and assistants should be able to say ' well, i live in a nice community, it has its challenges, but i'm treated well and it would take a very significant salary/benefit's increase and just the right school for me to leave.'
Seriously, you don't retain talent by paying them crap, dumping all over them, and make them want to move on.
joshvanklomp
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Worth mentioning that Mark Helfrich is Pac-12's lowest-paid coach?
WestWYOPoke
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joshvanklomp said:
2nd lowest, Sonny Dykes makes less at Cal
BeaverPoke
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joshvanklomp said:
Quit picking apart the exceptions.
Sure Helfrich is the Pac12 second lowest paid coach. But if you are going to point that out, let's make sure we point out the obvious....Chip Kelly built the Ducks to what they are, Helfrich has shown that he can coach but then again, he is coaching Chip Kellys players. Can he recruit? Well who can't recruit to Oregon? We will find out in next couple of seasons if Helfrich is the real deal. Even if he is, this is still Chip Kellys success he is riding.
