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The battle ensues.

WyoAlum1987 said:
Kansas,
For me the issue is not whether we agree or disagree, but whether or not our disagreements are civil.
Arguments that are well supported are also a plus. But even if you support your argument as you did above, it doesn't mean you are right, or that many of us will agree.
In that case, we agree to disagree and move on. No attacks or name calling required.
If I caused offense, by telling you to pull your head out and formulate a rational discussion I regret the metaphor. Offending you or any poster on here that is not from BYU or CSU is never my intent.
We will agree to disagree on this issue, as on many. I do not find your arguments compelling in the least.
A head coach paid millions of dollars and having 5 years to build a program should have the pieces in place. He should have the athletes he wants and the coaches he wants. He has had the same amount of time with his players that all the other coaches he will face. The product on the field is ALL on him. If the players fail to execute-its on him-they should have been better prepared. If they don't give their best effort in front of the largest crowd in the state against our arch rival-its an indictment of his leadership and/or his relationship with (or choice of) his recruits.
He wons the fruits of his labors these past 5 years. He owns his house in another state and ever else he purchased with his millions-he earned it.He also owns his overall losing record and his losing record in MWC play, he owns his reputation in the state, and with his players. He earned that too.
I am confused as to how anyone can look at he has produced and not see mediocrity at best.. I can't see blaming his players and NOT having that blame reflect directly on him.
Again, if I caused offense, I am sorry. But dont tell me or anyone that disagrees with you that you dont want to hear it anymore son. I dont know who you think you are, but you arent taking away my right to expression anytime soon
I think its important for those of us who dont like the mediocrity that UW athletics has become to speak out.
so I am going to do it.
You are welcome to disagree..and I appreciate it when you are as civil and as you have been in this post.
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Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
 
BeaverPoke said:
I'm with Kansas.
So many posts on here technically aren't cussing or talking shit, but aimed at a few posters instigating shit. Then the person who was provoked says something, then a bunch of people respond with "Whoa why are you yelling!"

Just because we don't share the miserable view on UW sports like a lot of you, doesn't mean you have to tear us down.
Misery loves company, but damn, there is enough already, leave us "sunshine pumpers" alone.
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Do we have to hear this same shit every single week? It is a message board, and everyone gets to share their opinion, agree or disagree. Being civil is another thing, certainly. Some fans & posters are always going to believe that a 6 win season is outstanding, while other fans & posters are going to think that it is crap. Is what it is.

Oh, and just in case anyone was wondering which one I am? 6 wins is crap. :rofl:
 
So, 'kansas, what about when the Head Coach himself says the coaching staff was responsible? Is it finally okay to hold them accountable for something?

" 'About 80 percent of the errors were alignment errors,' Christensen said. 'It’s our responsibility as coaches to have our players aligned properly. It’s also our responsibility to prepare throughout the week so they can do that.' "

http://www.wyosports.net/university_of_wyoming/football/uw-defense-struggled-with-alignment-in-loss-to-csu/article_c6646030-3ac0-11e3-b1fe-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Wyovanian said:
So, 'kansas, what about when the Head Coach himself says the coaching staff was responsible? Is it finally okay to hold them accountable for something?

" 'About 80 percent of the errors were alignment errors,' Christensen said. 'It’s our responsibility as coaches to have our players aligned properly. It’s also our responsibility to prepare throughout the week so they can do that.' "

http://www.wyosports.net/university_of_wyoming/football/uw-defense-struggled-with-alignment-in-loss-to-csu/article_c6646030-3ac0-11e3-b1fe-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Not sure how he can claim that there weren't alot of missed tackles. I watched several plays where Bibbs got hit and then broke tackles of up to 5 different defensive players. Olive would get hand on him but would lose his grip and then 4 other LB's or Safetys tried to arm tackle him.
 
WyoAlum1987 said:
Kansas,
For me the issue is not whether we agree or disagree, but whether or not our disagreements are civil.
Arguments that are well supported are also a plus. But even if you support your argument as you did above, it doesn't mean you are right, or that many of us will agree.
In that case, we agree to disagree and move on. No attacks or name calling required.
If I caused offense, by telling you to pull your head out and formulate a rational discussion I regret the metaphor. Offending you or any poster on here that is not from BYU or CSU is never my intent.
We will agree to disagree on this issue, as on many. I do not find your arguments compelling in the least.
A head coach paid millions of dollars and having 5 years to build a program should have the pieces in place. He should have the athletes he wants and the coaches he wants. He has had the same amount of time with his players that all the other coaches he will face. The product on the field is ALL on him. If the players fail to execute-its on him-they should have been better prepared. If they don't give their best effort in front of the largest crowd in the state against our arch rival-its an indictment of his leadership and/or his relationship with (or choice of) his recruits.
He wons the fruits of his labors these past 5 years. He owns his house in another state and ever else he purchased with his millions-he earned it.He also owns his overall losing record and his losing record in MWC play, he owns his reputation in the state, and with his players. He earned that too.
I am confused as to how anyone can look at he has produced and not see mediocrity at best.. I can't see blaming his players and NOT having that blame reflect directly on him.
Again, if I caused offense, I am sorry. But dont tell me or anyone that disagrees with you that you dont want to hear it anymore son. I dont know who you think you are, but you arent taking away my right to expression anytime soon
I think its important for those of us who dont like the mediocrity that UW athletics has become to speak out.
so I am going to do it.
You are welcome to disagree..and I appreciate it when you are as civil and as you have been in this post.
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Wyoalum87,

This is a direct reply to your response. So, if you get confused as to what I may be talking about, just follow along in you post above.

I don't know of a time that I've never not been civil with you. Please, refresh my memory of a time?
I'm not going to argue a point for the sake of arguing. If I firmly believe what I'm stating then then I will defend it.
You tend to go straight to the agree to disagree rather quickly in a discussion. You won't give any factual evidence or examples of your claims. You typically shoot from the hip with your responses, then when someone asks for proof or your reasoning behind your claim you go to agree to disagree. Or you call the person out ( typically me) and hit them with attacks on how they are not civil or they are getting heated or they revert to name calling(not me).
My best example between us in a " civil" discussion was our back and forth on signature wins between Glenn and DC. You remember? You claimed Glenn's sig wins were the Ole Miss games, Tennessee, UCLA, Virginia. I called you on it and gave you factual evidence of those teams being losing teams with exception of Virg and UCLA. I gave you their records and even discussed it in detail, not only that but then I give you factual evidence to support my claim on DCs sig wins. I gave you all the teams and records. Then your counter in the discussion... Agree to disagree. Come on! Who doesn't stay engaged in a discussion? You couldn't reiterate with some facts of your own?
Or is it that you typically post on an emotional tangent and when faced with facts you cannot refute, then you don't want to continue on?
If this example is the case then how is it that this or any of my posts are not formulating a rational discussion?
I don't think I've ever said that we weren't mediocre. I have stated that I have noticed an upward trend. I have never said I don't blame the coach. He has called himself out several times in post game stating he could've called a better game or had the team better prepared. But you will also hear him say that we are not executing well ( the players). I only defend DC when everyone starts up the fire DC kick or even fire the other coaches craze. But according to you this is me being irrational.
It's sad to see that you seem to be getting more upset as you write.
I've never told anyone to date that I don't want to hear it anymore when they disagree with me. I misunderstood the one post thinking you were getting ready to go on a " I give a lot to the program" post again. I don't disagree with giving. I give. But ive told you that is seems that you come off as gloating or that you seem to use it to one up someone in a discussion.

I never once tried to take away your " right" to express yourself. So don't be getting your undies in a bunch. Most of your second to last paragraph is close to the point of fight'n words. And I've already told you that I don't appreciate you calling me " son". You don't use it cause I may be younger than you, you have made it more of a derogatory term. So knock it off! You got it "OLD MAN"?
I'm glad you have appreciated my being civil on this thread and you will not see me causing civil unrest in future posts, just as I have in older posts. If you disagree with that statement why don't you give me an example to your claim?
 
Kansas,
I'm gonna chime in cause you addressed your post to me and anyone else that disagreed with you. I'm not pretending to speak for everyone that disagrees with you-but I will speak for me..

Would you give it up boy?
Look, even the title of this post reveals the issue I have with many of your interactions...everything's a battle with you and you take it personally.

You cant agree to disagree because it has to be win/lose with you. As a result, you attack fellow fans on this board with commentary that can be about as pleasant as a hot Greeley afternoon.

Lets use your example...I still think Ol Miss, Tennessee, UCLA and Virginia were signature wins for our program at the time-they are the level of competition I'd like for UW, and we won against them.
You don't think these were signature wins because they came against losing teams. Even though one was a bowl game. OK got it. We disagree. You dont win, I dont lose. Move on.
Let me share an old saying,,
Never get in a wrestling match with a pig, you just get dirty, and the pig enjoys it...
So don't tussle with folks Kansas, this aint life or death
Share your opinion and move on
I'm taking my own advice here son,
I'm movin on.
 
WyoAlum1987 said:
Kansas,
I'm gonna chime in cause you addressed your post to me and anyone else that disagreed with you. I'm not pretending to speak for everyone that disagrees with you-but I will speak for me..

Would you give it up boy?
Look, even the title of this post reveals the issue I have with many of your interactions...everything's a battle with you and you take it personally.

You cant agree to disagree because it has to be win/lose with you. As a result, you attack fellow fans on this board with commentary that can be about as pleasant as a hot Greeley afternoon.

Lets use your example...I still think Ol Miss, Tennessee, UCLA and Virginia were signature wins for our program at the time-they are the level of competition I'd like for UW, and we won against them.
You don't think these were signature wins because they came against losing teams. Even though one was a bowl game. OK got it. We disagree. You dont win, I dont lose. Move on.
Let me share an old saying,,
Never get in a wrestling match with a pig, you just get dirty, and the pig enjoys it...
So don't tussle with folks Kansas, this aint life or death
Share your opinion and move on
I'm taking my own advice here son,
I'm movin on.
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kansasCowboy is a hell of a poster. I always like reading what he has to say. I also enjoy your posts as well. No reason to fight guys - we are all cowboys. We are a bit polarized right now. When was the last time we lost to csu? oh yeah, back in 2008. Glenn's last year.

We need some real defense - and we need it soon. With a good defense, we should win alot of games.

If you can't score you won't win. If you don't score more than the other team, you won't win. Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

Breske would be a good answer, but I doubt he would work for Christensen. We need to find a tough ass defensive mind. And soon.
 
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