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kansasCowboy said:
TheRealUW said:
McPeachy said:
You could be correct, maybe he is not opposed to bringing in JC guys. So far, that hasn't been the case though.

Then again, he has been burned on 2 of the 3 I can remember his staff signing (Young, Faaiu, Allen)
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The only other one I can recall is Hollister, who has worked out quite nicely.
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Exactly. The thing is he still brings in JUCOs. Just not as priority. Most argue like he doesn't do it at all. We may see another two or three JUCOs in this years recruiting, but just to fill voids. He wants guys with four years to give to build a base setting.
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And I'm so glad he does. Can you imagine if we went the usu or BSU approach of having 20 or so on roster?
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
kansasCowboy said:
TheRealUW said:
McPeachy said:
You could be correct, maybe he is not opposed to bringing in JC guys. So far, that hasn't been the case though.

Then again, he has been burned on 2 of the 3 I can remember his staff signing (Young, Faaiu, Allen)
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The only other one I can recall is Hollister, who has worked out quite nicely.
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Exactly. The thing is he still brings in JUCOs. Just not as priority. Most argue like he doesn't do it at all. We may see another two or three JUCOs in this years recruiting, but just to fill voids. He wants guys with four years to give to build a base setting.
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And I'm so glad he does. Can you imagine if we went the usu or BSU approach of having 20 or so on roster?
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That would be terrible. I would hate to have actually seen the USU punter just once on Friday night.
 
Wyolie Coyote said:
That would be terrible. I would hate to have actually seen the USU punter just once on Friday night.
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:lol: :thumb:

If we took the JUCOs it might not take 10 years to build and wouldn't be Cowboy Tough. Screw JUCOs. They might leave the team. While we are at it, there should be a new policy. No Wyoming kids.
 
Assuming Bohl is around in 3 years, and if this year's class doesn't see attrition, Bohl may have to go Juco at that point. There would be the same imbalance after this year's freshman class graduates. He would then need to bring in a huge number of freshmen again, unless he balances the middle years out with Jucos.
 
yopaulie said:
Assuming Bohl is around in 3 years, and if this year's class doesn't see attrition, Bohl may have to go Juco at that point. There would be the same imbalance after this year's freshman class graduates. He would then need to bring in a huge number of freshmen again, unless he balances the middle years out with Jucos.
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Not necessarily......he just needs to get 85 guys on scholarship. The most recent class only included 22 players....two of which have left the program. He would need to bring in similar recruiting classes to get to the 85 scholarship limit.

In 3 years we should have enough depth that we wouldn't need to consider JUCO transfers at all.
 
JimmyDimes said:
In 3 years we should have enough depth that we wouldn't need to consider JUCO transfers at all.
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Thankfully, BSU and usu have depth issues which requires them to carry about 20 JUCO guys on the roster every year. If they didn't have the depth issues and didn't have to recruit JUCO guys, I'm not sure if we could ever catch them.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
JimmyDimes said:
In 3 years we should have enough depth that we wouldn't need to consider JUCO transfers at all.
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Thankfully, BSU and usu have depth issues which requires them to carry about 20 JUCO guys on the roster every year. If they didn't have the depth issues and didn't have to recruit JUCO guys, I'm not sure if we could ever catch them.
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Yeah, teams like arizona, ole miss, and tennessee are in such a bad position that they need to extend an offer to Jonathan Kongbo. If we continue on with recruiting only high school kids, we'll pass by all of these schools that have so many depth issues in just a few (only 3 according to Jimmy) years
 
Don't forget that there is a reason that Juco players go to Juco schools. In some cases, it is because they are talented but their grades aren't sufficient to get in to a D1 school. But in the majority of cases, it is because these players aren't good enough to get picked up by D1 schools and need to do more to prove their worth. A Juco player is a hole plugger, it isn't a guy that is necessarily going to be as good or better than a recruited player in his 2nd or 3rd year in a program. Having 20+ Juco guys on your roster means that you are either A) having a lot of attrition, B) suffering a lot of injuries, or C) a poor planner when it comes to recruiting and have a lot of gaps that need filled.

For some reason, it seems like people on here think that a Juco transfer is automatically going to be better than a guy recruited to that position straight out of high school.
 
WestWYOPoke said:
Don't forget that there is a reason that Juco players go to Juco schools. In some cases, it is because they are talented but their grades aren't sufficient to get in to a D1 school. But in the majority of cases, it is because these players aren't good enough to get picked up by D1 schools and need to do more to prove their worth. A Juco player is a hole plugger, it isn't a guy that is necessarily going to be as good or better than a recruited player in his 2nd or 3rd year in a program. Having 20+ Juco guys on your roster means that you are either A) having a lot of attrition, B) suffering a lot of injuries, or C) a poor planner when it comes to recruiting and have a lot of gaps that need filled.

For some reason, it seems like people on here think that a Juco transfer is automatically going to be better than a guy recruited to that position straight out of high school.
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Maybe it means that they have been evaluated at a higher level of competition than high school and certain coaches realize that they can be immediate contributors. Just maybe that is what USU and BSU see.....
 
Which would be basically admitting that you are a shit evaluator of talent in high school age players, and the players you did recruit are no better than these Juco guys you are bringing in. You are insinuating that EVERY D1 coach missed on all these kids while they were still in high school. A few of them? Sure. But all 20? No way.
 
WestWYOPoke said:
Which would be basically admitting that you are a shit evaluator of talent in high school age players, and the players you did recruit are no better than these Juco guys you are bringing in. You are insinuating that EVERY D1 coach missed on all these kids while they were still in high school. A few of them? Sure. But all 20? No way.
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Exactly. Only a matter of time until Houston, Memphis, usu, and BSU fall off the map. They rely on 15-20 JC guys; more than that if other transfers are counted.
 
WestWYOPoke said:
Which would be basically admitting that you are a shit evaluator of talent in high school age players, and the players you did recruit are no better than these Juco guys you are bringing in. You are insinuating that EVERY D1 coach missed on all these kids while they were still in high school. A few of them? Sure. But all 20? No way.
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Not saying that at all. Some D1 coaches are loaded with 4 and 5 star recruits. Pretty hard to miss too much on those guys. However when your roster is loaded with 2 star or less players then the margin of error is much greater. Many JUCO kids can supplement a mid-major program just like Boise and Utah State are doing. You really can't argue with their success. Hell, look back at the 1980's for UW, we did the same thing with great success.
 
cali2wyo said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
JimmyDimes said:
In 3 years we should have enough depth that we wouldn't need to consider JUCO transfers at all.
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Thankfully, BSU and usu have depth issues which requires them to carry about 20 JUCO guys on the roster every year. If they didn't have the depth issues and didn't have to recruit JUCO guys, I'm not sure if we could ever catch them.
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Yeah, teams like arizona, ole miss, and tennessee are in such a bad position that they need to extend an offer to Jonathan Kongbo. If we continue on with recruiting only high school kids, we'll pass by all of these schools that have so many depth issues in just a few (only 3 according to Jimmy) years
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First off, should try to understand what I was posting in regards to the 3 years. I am not a fan of JUCO players....Wyoming has had some decent JUCO's over the years, but more misses than hits. Jonathan Kogbo isn't a normal JUCO. He was on scholarship at Wyoming and left because he thought he could do better. He isn't a normal JUCO player in that he would have seen significant playing time as a rs freshman at Wyoming. What we need is for players like Kongbo to stick with the program. But it also suggests Bohl can evaluate talent.
 
I almost forgot we have a stud transfer on the roster who will be eligible next year. I would take transfers over JUCO's all day long...except in cases like Kongbo.

Jalen Ortiz was a 5.7, 3* guy out of high school who transferred in from UCLA. Should help our secondary immediately.
 
JimmyDimes said:
I almost forgot we have a stud transfer on the roster who will be eligible next year. I would take transfers over JUCO's all day long...except in cases like Kongbo.

Jalen Ortiz was a 5.7, 3* guy out of high school who transferred in from UCLA. Should help our secondary immediately.
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Transfers can help a lot. Look at Houston's roster, they have a ton. I'll agree with you on transfers and cordially disagree on JUCO.

I'm curious, out of 20+ kids in a recruiting class, what percentage end up starting? playing significant time? leaving? riding the bench? I'm not being an ass here; I was wondering if anyone knew if that information was out there?

So, according to this board, Texas kids are out and JUCOs are out but we should keep the WYO pipeline intact? :D

Do I have that right? The no Texas kids and no JUCOs sounds like a recipe for success!
 
cali2wyo said:
ragtimejoe1 said:
JimmyDimes said:
In 3 years we should have enough depth that we wouldn't need to consider JUCO transfers at all.
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Thankfully, BSU and usu have depth issues which requires them to carry about 20 JUCO guys on the roster every year. If they didn't have the depth issues and didn't have to recruit JUCO guys, I'm not sure if we could ever catch them.
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Yeah, teams like arizona, ole miss, and tennessee are in such a bad position that they need to extend an offer to Jonathan Kongbo. If we continue on with recruiting only high school kids, we'll pass by all of these schools that have so many depth issues in just a few (only 3 according to Jimmy) years
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But as has been said before, he doesn't "only" recruit high school players. He just doesn't recruit "as many" as you or some others apparently would like. Is there a magic number of JUCOs here that is wanted or needed?
You have to remember that also JUCO gets hit by USU, BSU, Ariz, Ole Miss, Tenn, etc. Basically after your Kongbo's pick their school we generally get what's left. Which isn't always that good or no better than what we could get in HS.
 
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