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[BeaverPoke]

We may very well have two true frosh starting next year with this team. The only other 3 that are capable of starting is Cooke, Grabau, and Nance. Vernon will start along with the Texas PG (couldn't remember his name).

Grabau starting is an indictment of the talent level of this team.

I agree to some extent. If J. Adams can figure out a way to use his athleticism to create his own shots, i would like to see him at the 2. So, if that takes place...this is what I would like to see for next year's starting 5...

1 -- Trey Washington
2 -- Josh Adams/ R. Grabau
3 -- Keonta Vernon/Hankerson
4 -- Larry Nance, Jr.
5 -- DC, Jr

Depending on how Vernon performs...i could see the trio of Vernon/Hankerson/Nance filling in at the 3-4 positions. What really worries me is the fact that we have no true 5 spot player. Cooke could fill that role, but he can't last banging against other teams bigs.

Next year, I am guessing it will go...
1-Grabau/Trey Washington
2-Adams/Bentz
3-Hankerson/McManamen
4-Cooke/Vernon
5-Nance/Sellers

 

[laxwyo]

I doubt we see much of the true freshmen, maybe Keonta. Haldorson will be good, maybe not as a sophomore, but most players don't get the game until their junior year.

 

[NowherePoke]

We may very well have two true frosh starting next year with this team. The only other 3 that are capable of starting is Cooke, Grabau, and Nance. Vernon will start along with the Texas PG (couldn't remember his name).

Grabau starting is an indictment of the talent level of this team.

I agree to some extent. If J. Adams can figure out a way to use his athleticism to create his own shots, i would like to see him at the 2. So, if that takes place...this is what I would like to see for next year's starting 5...

1 -- Trey Washington
2 -- Josh Adams/ R. Grabau
3 -- Keonta Vernon/Hankerson
4 -- Larry Nance, Jr.
5 -- DC, Jr

Depending on how Vernon performs...i could see the trio of Vernon/Hankerson/Nance filling in at the 3-4 positions. What really worries me is the fact that we have no true 5 spot player. Cooke could fill that role, but he can't last banging against other teams bigs.

Next year, I am guessing it will go...
1-Grabau/Trey Washington
2-Adams/Bentz
3-Hankerson/McManamen
4-Cooke/Vernon
5-Nance/Sellers

Honestly, if that is the case we are screwed (I kind of think you are right, but..). Here is how I see it:

1 - Adams/Grabau - Not sure who starts, but I expect one to start and the other to be the first perimeter player off the bench.
2 - JC transfer/Sobey - We simply have to add a perimeter scoring threat this spring. Sobey can contribute off the bench.
3 - Hankerson - Need Hankerson to have an immediate impact and I don't really see anybody else at the 3 breaking into the rotation. Basically Sobey will fill in here as well.
4/5 - Nance/JC Transfer - I expect growth in Larry's game and maybe one more big from the JC ranks.
4/5 - Cooke/Haldorson - Not sure if Haldorson can contribute or not next year.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Nance is regressing. How can you be that tall and never grab any rebounds?

 

[fromolwyoming]

Nance is regressing. How can you be that tall and never grab any rebounds?

So, the guy had an allergic reaction to a flu shot, lost 15 pounds, and has been taking IVs after games and practices and you wouldn't expect him to be worse than normal?

 

[NowherePoke]

Nance is regressing. How can you be that tall and never grab any rebounds?

Larry was a decent rebounder before the illness. Quite a bit better than Waddell was last year (3.4 rebounds in 28 minutes per game, about the same as Cooke averages in 12 minutes).

 

[BeaverPoke]

Nance is regressing. How can you be that tall and never grab any rebounds?

So, the guy had an allergic reaction to a flu shot, lost 15 pounds, and has been taking IVs after games and practices and you wouldn't expect him to be worse than normal?

No because SDpoke always just wants to look at the worse things possible and make us out to be some bottomfeeder.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Nance is regressing. How can you be that tall and never grab any rebounds?

So, the guy had an allergic reaction to a flu shot, lost 15 pounds, and has been taking IVs after games and practices and you wouldn't expect him to be worse than normal?

No because SDpoke always just wants to look at the worse things possible and make us out to be some bottomfeeder.

According to the conference standings, we are a bottom feeder.

 

[WYCowboy]

At the risk of being called a sunshine pumper and in response to the backhanded slams of our coaching staff, I would like to add my 2 cents worth. Shyatt didn't even get on the job here at UW until April of 2011.
Three starters from Shroyers team decided they didn't want to be part of UW's team any more and left. Shroyer got canned before the end of the season and did no recruiting. Shyatt had to put his staff together and go out recruiting in the middle of April. You can't get many recruits that late in recruiting. Shyatt & his staff have only had one full year of recruiting here at UW (this time around).
You are going to judge this staff & team on one full year of recruiting and not give his staff & recruits (some of which are freshmen) a chance to prove themselves?

 

[YankPoke]

At the risk of being called a sunshine pumper and in response to the backhanded slams of our coaching staff, I would like to add my 2 cents worth. Shyatt didn't even get on the job here at UW until April of 2011.
Three starters from Shroyers team decided they didn't want to be part of UW's team any more and left. Shroyer got canned before the end of the season and did no recruiting. Shyatt had to put his staff together and go out recruiting in the middle of April. You can't get many recruits that late in recruiting. Shyatt & his staff have only had one full year of recruiting here at UW (this time around).
You are going to judge this staff & team on one full year of recruiting and not give his staff & recruits (some of which are freshmen) a chance to prove themselves?

Exactly the way I feel right now. He really only has one year under his belt and probably got the most ws possible with our talent level. He needs at least three to four full recruiting cycles before we can judge how he and his staff really are. Personally I think he has done a very good job recruiting and most of the kids look like they will be solid players when they progress to upperclassmen.

 

[BeaverPoke]

At the risk of being called a sunshine pumper and in response to the backhanded slams of our coaching staff, I would like to add my 2 cents worth. Shyatt didn't even get on the job here at UW until April of 2011.
Three starters from Shroyers team decided they didn't want to be part of UW's team any more and left. Shroyer got canned before the end of the season and did no recruiting. Shyatt had to put his staff together and go out recruiting in the middle of April. You can't get many recruits that late in recruiting. Shyatt & his staff have only had one full year of recruiting here at UW (this time around).
You are going to judge this staff & team on one full year of recruiting and not give his staff & recruits (some of which are freshmen) a chance to prove themselves?

Exactly the way I feel right now. He really only has one year under his belt and probably got the most ws possible with our talent level. He needs at least three to four full recruiting cycles before we can judge how he and his staff really are. Personally I think he has done a very good job recruiting and most of the kids look like they will be solid players when they progress to upperclassmen.

Careful WYCowboy and YankPoke, remember not to say anything positive or you are an overly optimistic fool. How dare you cut anyone ANY credit here? What we REALLY need to do is fire Shyatt now so we can start over again, then wonder in a few years why we are still at the bottom of the barrel! That is what a true cowboy fan is supposed to do. Oh and remember to constantly moan about everything don't give the fact that shyatt has been here for 2 seasons and 1.5 recruiting classes ANY consideration when looking at records and our competition levels.
Also forget that we were RANKED at one point in the season.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Nance is regressing. How can you be that tall and never grab any rebounds?

Crack your wrist and see how well you do? You would regress too. And his numbers are still decent.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Nance is regressing. How can you be that tall and never grab any rebounds?

So, the guy had an allergic reaction to a flu shot, lost 15 pounds, and has been taking IVs after games and practices and you wouldn't expect him to be worse than normal?

No because SDpoke always just wants to look at the worse things possible and make us out to be some bottomfeeder.

According to the conference standings, we are a bottom feeder.

According to Wyonation, you are the "Bottom Feeder" of this site!

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Nance is regressing. How can you be that tall and never grab any rebounds?

So averaging 9.7 pts per game this year versus 4.1 last year is regression? 6.9 rebounds this year vs 4.0 last year is regression? Steals, assists, fg%, and 3pt% are all higher this year but he's regressed? The dude spent half the conference season sick and dealing with a pretty serious sounding allergic reaction and he has regressed? I think thats being a little too hard on the kid. If he stays healthy, he should have a big year next year.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

We may very well have two true frosh starting next year with this team. The only other 3 that are capable of starting is Cooke, Grabau, and Nance. Vernon will start along with the Texas PG (couldn't remember his name).

Grabau starting is an indictment of the talent level of this team.

I agree to some extent. If J. Adams can figure out a way to use his athleticism to create his own shots, i would like to see him at the 2. So, if that takes place...this is what I would like to see for next year's starting 5...

1 -- Trey Washington
2 -- Josh Adams/ R. Grabau
3 -- Keonta Vernon/Hankerson
4 -- Larry Nance, Jr.
5 -- DC, Jr


Don't sleep on trey washington. That kid has the makings to be a starter sooner rather than later. If he can handle the ball even a little bit and can score with consistency, he will be starting. My one hope for him is that he can run the offense, not think he is the offense. And it sounds like he'll be a lot like Derrious in virtually no categories so that should be a boost....
Depending on how Vernon performs...i could see the trio of Vernon/Hankerson/Nance filling in at the 3-4 positions. What really worries me is the fact that we have no true 5 spot player. Cooke could fill that role, but he can't last banging against other teams bigs.

Next year, I am guessing it will go...
1-Grabau/Trey Washington
2-Adams/Bentz
3-Hankerson/McManamen
4-Cooke/Vernon
5-Nance/Sellers

Honestly, if that is the case we are screwed (I kind of think you are right, but..). Here is how I see it:

1 - Adams/Grabau - Not sure who starts, but I expect one to start and the other to be the first perimeter player off the bench.
2 - JC transfer/Sobey - We simply have to add a perimeter scoring threat this spring. Sobey can contribute off the bench.
3 - Hankerson - Need Hankerson to have an immediate impact and I don't really see anybody else at the 3 breaking into the rotation. Basically Sobey will fill in here as well.
4/5 - Nance/JC Transfer - I expect growth in Larry's game and maybe one more big from the JC ranks.
4/5 - Cooke/Haldorson - Not sure if Haldorson can contribute or not next year.

Dont sleep on Trey Washington. I think he has the potential to be starting sooner rather then later. It sounds like he can score with consistency and if he can run the offense and handle the ball It'll happen soon. In essence he needs to be the exact opposite of Derrious and he'll be fine.

 

[NowherePoke]

Nance is regressing. How can you be that tall and never grab any rebounds?

So averaging 9.7 pts per game this year versus 4.1 last year is regression? 6.9 rebounds this year vs 4.0 last year is regression? Steals, assists, fg%, and 3pt% are all higher this year but he's regressed? The dude spent half the conference season sick and dealing with a pretty serious sounding allergic reaction and he has regressed? I think thats being a little too hard on the kid. If he stays healthy, he should have a big year next year.

Plus, when he was healthy he was actually more of a 11/7 guy as a true sophomore. He is well on track to be a primary contributor as a Jr. and Sr. I have also found Larry to be a wonderful spokesperson for the program. Very articulate and positive in interviews and dealing with the public.

Summary: Larry Nance is the least of Shyatt's problems going into next year.

 

[NowherePoke]

At the risk of being called a sunshine pumper and in response to the backhanded slams of our coaching staff, I would like to add my 2 cents worth. Shyatt didn't even get on the job here at UW until April of 2011.
Three starters from Shroyers team decided they didn't want to be part of UW's team any more and left. Shroyer got canned before the end of the season and did no recruiting. Shyatt had to put his staff together and go out recruiting in the middle of April. You can't get many recruits that late in recruiting. Shyatt & his staff have only had one full year of recruiting here at UW (this time around).
You are going to judge this staff & team on one full year of recruiting and not give his staff & recruits (some of which are freshmen) a chance to prove themselves?

I just don't agree, because I look at several examples in our league:

1. Leon Rice (BSU) - This is probably the comparison that most would like to make because his BSU team went 3-11 in MWC play in his 2nd season and then bounced back this year to contend for a NCAA berth. The difference is that the 3-11 team was VERY young. They were all Fr. and So. with their top scorers being clearly talented freshman like Drmic and Marks. Contrast that with Wyoming, where our young players really struggled and the success we did have was a result of the play of the seniors when they were healthy and eligible. Rice went out in his two classes and basically built this entire roster and he didn't do with 4 and 5 star recruits. Fantastic talent evaluation.

2. Steve Alford (UNM) - Probably not fair to compare, but he took over a team that was 4-12 in the MWC. By his 2nd year they were tied for 1st and by his 3rd they were advancing in the NCAA tourney.

3. Tim Miles (CSU) - Miles took over a complete dumpster fire, with almost nothing left behind. This is probably our best hope in terms of comparison as his 2nd year was like ours (4-12), relying on a couple of seniors (Walker, Gardner), along with some younger guys like Ogide, Franklin, and Carr that would help to form the nucleus of a much more competitive program in the following years.


Frankly, I don't think we have enough talent across the board to compete in the MWC.

 

[fromolwyoming]

Nance I'm not worried about. When he's healthy, he's pretty good. And he will only get better next year.

It's a consistent outside threat that I'm worried about for next year. Sobey and Grabau (probably spelled that wrong) can occasionally hit from 3, but not consistently enough. Adams is a good slasher type and an excellent athlete (seriously, how many 6'2 guards can dunk like he can?), but not really an outside shooter. Nance and Cooke (so long as Cooke doesn't have to shoot FTs) will be fast and athletic down low, but wouldn't hurt for them to add some muscle.

BTW, a bit OT, but on Washington's last foul against the sheep, he went head to head with an all round bigger post player and kept him from scoring. That image kind of sticks out in my mind. Yeah, he fouled out with it, but he showed toughness and no fear in that.

 

[SDPokeFan]

At the risk of being called a sunshine pumper and in response to the backhanded slams of our coaching staff, I would like to add my 2 cents worth. Shyatt didn't even get on the job here at UW until April of 2011.
Three starters from Shroyers team decided they didn't want to be part of UW's team any more and left. Shroyer got canned before the end of the season and did no recruiting. Shyatt had to put his staff together and go out recruiting in the middle of April. You can't get many recruits that late in recruiting. Shyatt & his staff have only had one full year of recruiting here at UW (this time around).
You are going to judge this staff & team on one full year of recruiting and not give his staff & recruits (some of which are freshmen) a chance to prove themselves?

Exactly the way I feel right now. He really only has one year under his belt and probably got the most ws possible with our talent level. He needs at least three to four full recruiting cycles before we can judge how he and his staff really are. Personally I think he has done a very good job recruiting and most of the kids look like they will be solid players when they progress to upperclassmen.

Careful WYCowboy and YankPoke, remember not to say anything positive or you are an overly optimistic fool. How dare you cut anyone ANY credit here? What we REALLY need to do is fire Shyatt now so we can start over again, then wonder in a few years why we are still at the bottom of the barrel! That is what a true cowboy fan is supposed to do. Oh and remember to constantly moan about everything don't give the fact that shyatt has been here for 2 seasons and 1.5 recruiting classes ANY consideration when looking at records and our competition levels.
Also forget that we were RANKED at one point in the season.

I cannot believe you brought up the ranking. That is laughable. Schedule 14 high school teams (save for Colorado), beat them all and then pound your chest. If conference play has shown anything it's that this team is closer to the bottom 25 than the top 25.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Nance is regressing. How can you be that tall and never grab any rebounds?

Crack your wrist and see how well you do? You would regress too. And his numbers are still decent.

Yes, I know you have an excuse for everything. It's well documented. If he is that injured he should stay off the court.