Still dumbfounded Bohl pulled Chambers

[LanderPoke]

That has to be one of the worst choices in this program’s history. Even if chambers had not practiced the two min drill (how is this even possible?) he would have been better and he had earned the opportunity to try to win the game.

Why doesn’t Chambers know how to run the 2 min offense? What do they do in practice? Wtf is going on?

 

[poke_addict]

I think it was pretty clear Chambers was part of the game plan. I just don't think he supposed to be that big of a boost. The coaches obviously didn't prepare Chambers this week to throw the ball. I know our offense looks crazy vanilla but its everything from that. The list they send out with the starter has over 300 plays on it. We rarely actually call the same play twice again I know it doesn't look that way. I had a feeling TVW would be in that last drive for those reasons. TVW takes only first team snaps while Chambers is running the scout team and taking some first team reps.

 

[Wyovanian]

That has to be one of the worst choices in this program’s history. Even if chambers had not practiced the two min drill (how is this even possible?) he would have been better and he had earned the opportunity to try to win the game.

Why doesn’t Chambers know how to run the 2 min offense? What do they do in practice? Wtf is going on?

From all appearances, it looks like Bohl has placed far too much trust in Vigen and is showing zero accountability follow-up on what he is actually doing to prepare his offense. Look, no one likes a micro-manager, but the polar opposite is just as bad. If you're trusting someone's ability and competence, and the numbers all say their ability and competence is questionable, then you have to get involved asking questions and observing their activity and actions. From there you collate and assess and then evaluate. I just don't think this is happening between Bohl and Vigen.

 

[PokeNer]

We rarely actually call the same play twice again I know it doesn't look that way.

I find that extremely hard to believe. The PA boot TE out that TVW threw the pick 6 on is called no less than 2-3 times per game. And what does that say about Vigen if he's got a playbook that thick, but really only has 4-5 different overall concepts? Sounds like Vigen is unnecessarily complicating things. I can pick out about 20 plays off the top of my head that need burned from the playbook.

Either way, this one stings. I know it's unlikely that Chambers drives down, scores a TD and a 2 pt conversion, but let the man that got the team in that position to begin with to finish what he started! Vigen and Bohl need to stop the sugar coating and own up to that mistake, and everything else this season - undisciplined football, poor play calling, etc.

I'm worried that they are so clueless that they are going to go back to TVW to start the rest of the way. Chambers gives us a chance to win out, TVW can't even get it in the end zone against one of the worst D's in CFB.

 

[poke_addict]

We rarely actually call the same play twice again I know it doesn't look that way.

I find that extremely hard to believe. The PA boot TE out that TVW threw the pick 6 on is called no less than 2-3 times per game. And what does that say about Vigen if he's got a playbook that thick, but really only has 4-5 different overall concepts? Sounds like Vigen is unnecessarily complicating things. I can pick out about 20 plays off the top of my head that need burned from the playbook.

Either way, this one stings. I know it's unlikely that Chambers drives down, scores a TD and a 2 pt conversion, but let the man that got the team in that position to begin with to finish what he started! Vigen and Bohl need to stop the sugar coating and own up to that mistake, and everything else this season - undisciplined football, poor play calling, etc.

I'm worried that they are so clueless that they are going to go back to TVW to start the rest of the way. Chambers gives us a chance to win out, TVW can't even get it in the end zone against one of the worst D's in CFB.

I agree it is extremely difficult to believe. The PA boot is a staple of this offense. Pretty much everything we do is to set up the boot or PA in general. However it still has minor differences throughout the game. Could be as simple as the formation, routes, blocking schemes. That pretty much goes with alot of the plays we run.

I'm not trying to defend Vigen or the staff. I was just pointing out that after about 10 plays of Chambers it was clear the coaching staff didn't have him ready to sling the football. I don't think the staff prepared Chambers to play more than a couple series. However he started having success running the ball which I honestly think caught the staff by surprise as well.

I would have rather seen Chambers as well just really wasnt surprised at all to see TVW out there the last drive.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

Hopefully he gets a week of throwing the ball some. Just having him back there makes Evans better, because they can't 100% key in on him anymore.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

This decision left me the second most confused since I’ve been following the cowboys.

#1 Tiller-taking the safety against BYU in the WAC championship game.

#2- Bohl-pulling Chambers when he is the only spark the offense has seen all year at the QB position to put in TVW with 2 minutes left in the game. Our whole section was dumbfounded. Horrible horrible call.

 

[Coeur d' Alene]

The fact that chambers ran for a 100 yards in half a game against a team that hadn't given up a 100 yard rusher yet this season. Chambers and nico.

Chambers makes me want to see the Wyoming/Air Force game. I already can't wait to watch Logan Wilson and wingard against that offense to see chambers on the other side of the ball might make that one of the most physical games possible.

The answer to the he can only play 3 more games. Well csu is one of them. Figure it out later.

 

[Brown and Gold]

It didn't surprise me really. While Chambers helped us move the ball a little more than we have been, the plays that got us there weren't going to help us out with two minutes left and 80 yards to go. You can't run the ball much in that situation and TVW actually has run the two minute drill pretty well this year.

It's easy to overreact to us moving the ball some but really, as far as drives go....Chambers didn't do much other than get a few first downs and more plays.

If we would have had 3or 4 minutes.....maybe we stick with Chambers. I support the decision even though I think TVW lacks the ability to start at this level.

 

[PokeNer]

It didn't surprise me really. While Chambers helped us move the ball a little more than we have been, the plays that got us there weren't going to help us out with two minutes left and 80 yards to go. You can't run the ball much in that situation and TVW actually has run the two minute drill pretty well this year.

It's easy to overreact to us moving the ball some but really, as far as drives go....Chambers didn't do much other than get a few first downs and more plays.

If we would have had 3or 4 minutes.....maybe we stick with Chambers. I support the decision even though I think TVW lacks the ability to start at this level.

Like I pointed out in the other thread, you must have been watching a different game. TVW led the team to 3 points only because he was given the ball inside the 20 by the D. He only had 32 yds of total offense. And Nico was mostly ineffective with him in. He also directly accounted for 7 USU points.

Chambers led us to 13 points and was a false start away from potentially making it 17. He did more than lead us to a "few first downs." 50+ yd passing plays don't help drive the field?? I believe he scored on 3/5 drives in the second half. Also, Nico was much more effective with Chambers in.

No one's overreacting. Chambers was able to lead the team to more yards in the second half then the O has been averaging for the entire game. All this against one of the best D's in the conference.

Yeah there's no guarantee that Chambers drives the field and gets us to OT, but TVW did nothing in this game. It was a stupid fucking decision.

I'm sure TVW is a good dude, but he's not the answer. He doesn't seem to lead, he's afraid of contact, he's not a threat to run, and his passing accuracy is terrible.

 

[wwcc22]

I heard Bohl state on the post radio show he put Tyler back in to give some confidence for the next game. One the dumbest moves all season

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

I heard Bohl state on the post radio show he put Tyler back in to give some confidence for the next game. One the dumbest moves all season

So does that mean Chambers isn't playing until we've had three straight 3 and outs to start the game again?

 

[TSpoke]

I was as confused and angry about the decision as anyone in the stadium Saturday but since then I have softened a bit. I still think it was the wrong decision and would have gone with Chambers but I get why they went back to TVW and it makes sense. TVW was successful in the 2 minute offense not only against Woford but at the end of the Hawaii game till he just ran out of time. And it was clear that they only had certain packages in for Chambers with him as a runner to give USU a different look. I doubt he has had much experience with the first team running the 2 minute offense or even many passing play situations. He made some passes earlier but those were set-up on the fact that he was having success running so we caught them by surprise. Here they would know he had to pass so it is completely different. So I understand the decision from that point but putting a struggling starter back in at the end of the game to win it after being benched is also not a recipe for success.

I imagine we will continue to see both players the rest of the year. At least until we are out of bowl eligibility and then we won't see Chambers for one game. We need to keep TVW in the game because he is gonna have to play again for us unless we win out and they decide to burn Chambers redshirt.

 

[Adv8RU12]

I heard Bohl state on the post radio show he put Tyler back in to give some confidence for the next game.

Well that worked out real well. I guess Tyler has a lot of confidence now for the next game. Or maybe Bohl meant confidence of the opposing team?

 

[Bryoming]

It's been my understanding the Bohl let's his coordinators run their respective sides of the ball. He's going to take the blame for anything that goes south because it's ultimately his team, but I'm willing to bet that behind the scenes there's going to be a lot of fire breathing after the TVW screwup at the end of the game.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

It's been my understanding the Bohl let's his coordinators run their respective sides of the ball. He's going to take the blame for anything that goes south because it's ultimately his team, but I'm willing to bet that behind the scenes there's going to be a lot of fire breathing after the TVW screwup at the end of the game.

Bohl said post game that he and Vigen discussed the decision during the game to go with TVW for that last drive. He said that with the Pokes backed up and little time on the clock (and that because TVW had performed the 2 minute against Wofford) that it was a joint decision to go with TVW. He seemed to indicate that they would have gone with Chambers had the 3rd down play not been overturned to give Utah State a first down on USU's drive before Wyoming's final drive.

So Bohl indicated that he was directly involved with the decision. If he wasn't, then Bohl was directly lying to the media which would open up a whole other can of worms.

 

[laxwyo]

There was no comment about giving TVW confidence for the next game.