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Sorry about this post - but where is our GD will to compete?
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McPeachy
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Yabadabadoo said:
As I have mentioned many times Freddie...I think Bohl needs to be allowed more time than Vic (3 seasons), maybe the same amount of time that DC had (5 seasons), and probably the same amount of time that Joe had (6 seasons), to see if he can get it done. Unless he goes O-fer in the next 20 games (this and next season) - then it is time to cut bait and move on. But..BUT...I don't think that will happen. He may win a few next year...we will see...3 or 4 probably.
My frustrations right now, are squarely on the fact that we are not even competitive on the field this year. Far from it. And COACH BOHL KNEW THIS WAS COMING BEFORE HE EVEN TOOK THE JOB, 2 recruiting classes ago! He knew that he was losing 20+ seniors from his first year. He knew there would be attrition. But he allowed himself (and was allowed) to just get a free pass to suck in magnificent fashion this year. Makes me sick, we don't even compete with this low-life schedule of epic proportions, and in a very down year in the MWC. As I mentioned, the fan base is in jeopardy now, just as much as it was in 2002. Here we are 13 years later...and we are worse off.
FarmerPoke
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TSpoke said:
Seconded
Asmodeanreborn
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Some of the people who are freaking out about going 0-12 now were "okay" with the possibility of going 0-12 after losing to EMU as long as there were improvements... what changed?
I saw some positives in the New Mexico game despite not being able to run the ball effectively, and despite dumb penalties and a couple of botched individual plays on defense... I think I've talked myself off of the ledge of doom at this point. I'm not going to be happy with 0-12, but if we keep seeing improvements everywhere we should at least have competitive losses no matter how much it hurts.
That said, if our upcoming draft class starts seeing people drop out before they sign their letters of intent, then I'll definitely get closer to said ledge again.
Maybe I've just been properly seasoned by caring about the Rockies. At least Avs should be exciting in a good way this year again.
I saw some positives in the New Mexico game despite not being able to run the ball effectively, and despite dumb penalties and a couple of botched individual plays on defense... I think I've talked myself off of the ledge of doom at this point. I'm not going to be happy with 0-12, but if we keep seeing improvements everywhere we should at least have competitive losses no matter how much it hurts.
That said, if our upcoming draft class starts seeing people drop out before they sign their letters of intent, then I'll definitely get closer to said ledge again.
Maybe I've just been properly seasoned by caring about the Rockies. At least Avs should be exciting in a good way this year again.
JimmyDimes
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McPeachy said:
What, in your opinion, should Bohl have done differently? Remember, only 3 of his first class, with the exception of transfers and JC guys, played last year. Do you think all his recruits should be ready to go right out of high school? Do you think DC left a bare cupboard on D? How do you think he could determine who he was going to lose through attrition?
Maybe coach Bohl had the magical crystal ball that could have told him many of DC's guys were gong to bolt or that a few guys from his initial recruiting class as were going to bolt as well? Really nothing a person can do to guard against attrition except maybe build some depth.
maybe i'm crazy and i know adjustments from high school to NCAA football is huge, but imo honestly, if you didn't think a kid wasn't ready why would you recruit him in the 1st place, when I go to a job interview, I'm not there because i'm not qualified, I must know something about the job or field, somewhat??? I know I'll learn more on the job training, but I'm an asset to an organization and I'll make it work, maybe I'm totally wrong, just stating an idea
Asmodeanreborn
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stymeman said:
I just hired for a junior position for the first time, which I assume is at least somewhat similar to what recruiting for the future is like. We ended up with a girl who didn't have much of a résumé, but seemed quite intelligent and who grasped new concepts quickly in the interview process and we figured we'd give it a shot. Six weeks into it, she's way surpassing expectations, but she's still on the practice squad because we simply can't trust a person with little experience to submit code into production without a lot of oversight.
I'm guessing Bohl is/was in a similar position. He knew he wouldn't be able to get the recruits with good résumés AND who had growth potential, so he went with growth potential and no résumé over résumé and little growth potential. Or to relate it to actual football; he may have recruited quick and smart but undersized players with good potential and banking on that they won't be undersized two years from now rather than fully sized players with severe limitations of movement, footwork, or whatever who'd help us win a few games now, but would also leave us mediocre 3 years from now.
Or maybe that's just my harebrained theory that holds no water whatsoever.
McPeachy
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JimmyDimes said:
The first part of your post is a fair question. He should have backfilled the program with JC transfers...6 to 8 of them maybe 10, with the very first recruiting class. And then, he should have backfilled the program with JC transfers...6 - 8 of them at the most, with his second recruiting class. That would have done a couple of things for us...first it would have given us the opportunity to be competitive (more last year, and a ton more this year). Second, it would have given 'ol Bohly the choice to redshirt some of his 15+ freshman the first class, and 17+ freshman the second class. He maybe even could have redshirted a few of the JC guys as well...who knows.
As far as the second part of your question: Any coach that doesn't understand (and truly get that it is a fact) that attrition is going to happen to him, regardless of school, class, location, player, etc., should be kicked in the nuts hard with a steel toed boot. Bohl sure didn't seem to plan for it happening (by bringing in only freshman).
I mentioned in another one of the 67 threads on this topic...but the success started by Dennis Erickson, and continued with Paul Roach and Joe Tiller (and Dimel even), was brought about by having a "go after JC players" mentality every recruiting class. It worked. And it would work still...right there in Laramie.
ragtimejoe1
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McPeachy said:
It would work even more so right here in Laramie. Why? What is the 1 thing that JUCO players care about most in relation to football? Hint: it is something we could have offered in abundance to JUCOs.
WyoAlum1987
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Our AD believe's we are who we are.. and who we now would have been unfathomable and unrecognizable even 10 years ago.
Burman has run this outfit into the ground, and no one holds anyone accountable or to any real standard of excellence. Especially him, We are a hollow, vain shell of the Cowboy tough teams that used to play for keeps in far less regal surroundings. Its leadership-more to the point-its a lack of leadership=a lack of understanding that some things are bigger, more important than yourself
Burman has run this outfit into the ground, and no one holds anyone accountable or to any real standard of excellence. Especially him, We are a hollow, vain shell of the Cowboy tough teams that used to play for keeps in far less regal surroundings. Its leadership-more to the point-its a lack of leadership=a lack of understanding that some things are bigger, more important than yourself