Somewhat OT: Play like adults read like 5th graders

[ragtimejoe1]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html?hpt=hp_t1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting read. We all know it, but if you step back and think of the original intent of college athletics, to support a well-rounded education, it should be a surprise that we accept this all in the name of money.

Sadly, I'm not really that surprised. Heck, I support it too. I watch the games on TVs, discuss games, post on message boards, etc. We are all part of the problem, but no matter how you slice it, it is wrong. It is just a wrong that we've come to accept.

 

[castlerocker]

It's like when AJ Mc Carron's mother asked what language Winston was speaking on the post game show after the nat'l championship game. Lot's of people got upset at her but everyone knew what she was talking about.

I've heard UW football players interviewed after a game and judging from their grammar you can only wonder how the hell they are passing any classes at all.

 

[Hayduke]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Interesting read. We all know it, but if you step back and think of the original intent of college athletics, to support a well-rounded education, it should be a surprise that we accept this all in the name of money.

Sadly, I'm not really that surprised. Heck, I support it too. I watch the games on TVs, discuss games, post on message boards, etc. We are all part of the problem, but no matter how you slice it, it is wrong. It is just a wrong that we've come to accept.

If you check Ross V. Creighton, you'll see that courts prefer to allow schools to set their own admission standards and tend not to mess with them.

Ross, a bucketball player from Creighton, basically sued Creighton for breach of contract in not providing an education and leaving him high and dry with about a fourth grade reading level when he was finished at Creighton. Well, the court basically said that he was given an opportunity to learn and it's not Creighton's fault that he didn't take advantage of it, or didnt' meet their standards for admission.

In other words, schools can admit whoever they want under whatever standard they want with whatever flexibility they want. Cases like this led to the NCAA clearing house, but since the NCAA is an organization with voluntary membership, a student like Ross is SOL again if they attempt to sue the individual institution. I think they'd be better off going after the NCAA. But, again, the courts don't like to mess with college admission standards. In additon, what harm was done to the student-athlete? It's hard to prove any harm was actually done.

Are college athletics corrupt? Hell, yes! Can students like Ross do anything about it? Probably not.

 

[BJC]

Minimum test scores, etc must be met to go right out of HS.

Although the test scores may be below ave for the university as a whole, they must be within NCAA restrictions. I do however like the argument that ACT/SAT scores may be lower but grad rates are sometimes even higher than reg student population.

I think we should place a higher individual responsibility. You can skate through and be eligible (that is all you owe the school) or choose a different path. :twocents:

 

[nashvillepoke]

This is a prevalent culture within D1 sports, and has been for a long time. I had a buddy earn a walk-on spot to UW during the Joby Wright years, but they told him he wouldn't be able to major in engineering and play basketball.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

It makes me really sad that instead of working hard to help the athletes remedy their academic "holes," so to say, so much effort and resources are spent hiding them instead.

78% of NFL players go bankrupt within 5 years of retirement from the league. How much of that stems from people overlooking their academic shortcomings? Obviously we as consumers and tax payers are the ones who end up footing the final bill here, even though it's probably not THAT many dollars per year considering how small the pro sports population actually is.

 

[WyoExpat]

This is a prevalent culture within D1 sports, and has been for a long time. I had a buddy earn a walk-on spot to UW during the Joby Wright years, but they told him he wouldn't be able to major in engineering and play basketball.

I am curious about this because I heard a similar rumor about a scholarship player during that time period. At the time we had at least one All-WAC, 4.0 O-Linemen majoring in engineering of some type.

This story is something we need to remember when we pine for the McClain days of basketball when we were not even allowed to offer 13 scholarships due to academic failures among players. We had big, tough thugs but our academics didn't cut it.

In my student days, I did not have what it took to boo our players who were in class with me--unlike some in the student section. That is part of what makes college athletics more interesting to me than pro sports. That and all college players get to pick the school and team they want to play for to some extent.

 

[NowherePoke]

This is a prevalent culture within D1 sports, and has been for a long time. I had a buddy earn a walk-on spot to UW during the Joby Wright years, but they told him he wouldn't be able to major in engineering and play basketball.

I am curious about this because I heard a similar rumor about a scholarship player during that time period. At the time we had at least one All-WAC, 4.0 O-Linemen majoring in engineering of some type.

This story is something we need to remember when we pine for the McClain days of basketball when we were not even allowed to offer 13 scholarships due to academic failures among players. We had big, tough thugs but our academics didn't cut it.

In my student days, I did not have what it took to boo our players who were in class with me--unlike some in the student section. That is part of what makes college athletics more interesting to me than pro sports. That and all college players get to pick the school and team they want to play for to some extent.

We have had 4 players in some type of off the court, legal incidents in the last two years under Shyatt, most of the offenses violent ( to a point, some were just a punch). I don't remember that same rate of incidents with the "thugs". Are you willing to attach any names to that description? Otherwise that is a pretty crappy description to attach to a fairly large group of UW student athletes that represented the University of Wyoming well. Yes, we had Steve Leven and he was a total jackass, but we also had guys like Bailey, Uche, Ewing, Rott, etc.)

 

[HR_Poke]

This is a prevalent culture within D1 sports, and has been for a long time. I had a buddy earn a walk-on spot to UW during the Joby Wright years, but they told him he wouldn't be able to major in engineering and play basketball.

I am curious about this because I heard a similar rumor about a scholarship player during that time period. At the time we had at least one All-WAC, 4.0 O-Linemen majoring in engineering of some type.

This story is something we need to remember when we pine for the McClain days of basketball when we were not even allowed to offer 13 scholarships due to academic failures among players. We had big, tough thugs but our academics didn't cut it.

In my student days, I did not have what it took to boo our players who were in class with me--unlike some in the student section. That is part of what makes college athletics more interesting to me than pro sports. That and all college players get to pick the school and team they want to play for to some extent.

We have had 4 players in some type of off the court, legal incidents in the last two years under Shyatt, most of the offenses violent ( to a point, some were just a punch). I don't remember that same rate of incidents with the "thugs". Are you willing to attach any names to that description? Otherwise that is a pretty crappy description to attach to a fairly large group of UW student athletes that represented the University of Wyoming well. Yes, we had Steve Leven and he was a total jackass, but we also had guys like Bailey, Uche, Ewing, Rott, etc.)

Jay Straight was a thug! He flat out started a fist fight during greek week when my 5' nothing scrawny ass fraternity brother smoked him in b-ball. He was a piece of shyt and fit in well with pi kappa ruffie....