Shyatt's Recruits

[TSpoke]

A lot of schools have rebuilding years. We are no different. I don't see why people are going crazy about this season. We trusted shy in the early years and he won the MW tournament. We should keep trusting

Some people seem to think that since we won the MWCT, anything less than that is unacceptable from here on out.

Show me one post where someone has expressed that they believe that anything less than MW title is unacceptable. Please just show me one. I am OK with a rebuilding year or two. What is defined as a rebuilding year? To me that means being a .500 team in conference maybe. I'm not OK, ever, with being a bad team. Sorry folks but we are 5-9 in conference and 10-15 against D1 competition. We aren't a middle of the road team right now. We are a bottom tier team right now in 9th place in a 11 team league. we are wasting the senior year of an all time Wyoming great due to some gaping roster holes that remain unaddressed. Is this acceptable as a rebuilding year? To me that's not rebuilding, that's just being not a good team.

You're confused about reloading and rebuilding. It's ok to have a terrible year rebuilding. I'm not ok with back to back terrible years after you've built a program. I expect some leaps next year

I'm not confused, I think we have different definitions of the words though. Reloading is what SDSU does. Rebuilding can mean different things, but to me rebuilding is still maintaining a middle of the road team. I don't think being a 9th place team is ever acceptable, especially in Josh's senior year. That's beyond the acceptable floor of rebuilding to me. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the lower level of our program to be a .500 team. I don't think dropping into the SJSU/AF tier of the MW is ever an acceptable thing.

Well this year isn't over yet so I'm not sure we are gonna be a Ninth place team this year yet. Theres quite a logjam anyway 6-9 and even to a lesser extent to 4th place.

We are still in the building phase of our program. Our rebuilding or down years are gonna be lower than they are for a team like SDSU. As long as the overall trend is upward, which I believe it is. Also I don't buy your assertion that we are a bad team. Gotta look closer than the win-loss record. We are a young team learning how to win. We have fought to the end in every game this year and have been right there till the end in every game but the Boise. Next year these kids will be better for all the close games that have gone to wire this year. They will learn how to win those and will not be rattled by close games.

Some people don't feel this team has talent and others including me see a lot of potential in these guys and think they can be a very good team the next two years. The problem is we won't know till next season so that leaves a lot of time to continue to argue about it. Looking forward to it. :lol:

 

[NowherePoke]

A lot of schools have rebuilding years. We are no different. I don't see why people are going crazy about this season. We trusted shy in the early years and he won the MW tournament. We should keep trusting

Some people seem to think that since we won the MWCT, anything less than that is unacceptable from here on out.

Show me one post where someone has expressed that they believe that anything less than MW title is unacceptable. Please just show me one. I am OK with a rebuilding year or two. What is defined as a rebuilding year? To me that means being a .500 team in conference maybe. I'm not OK, ever, with being a bad team. Sorry folks but we are 5-9 in conference and 10-15 against D1 competition. We aren't a middle of the road team right now. We are a bottom tier team right now in 9th place in a 11 team league. we are wasting the senior year of an all time Wyoming great due to some gaping roster holes that remain unaddressed. Is this acceptable as a rebuilding year? To me that's not rebuilding, that's just being not a good team.

+1

 

[NowherePoke]

A lot of schools have rebuilding years. We are no different. I don't see why people are going crazy about this season. We trusted shy in the early years and he won the MW tournament. We should keep trusting

Some people seem to think that since we won the MWCT, anything less than that is unacceptable from here on out.

Show me one post where someone has expressed that they believe that anything less than MW title is unacceptable. Please just show me one. I am OK with a rebuilding year or two. What is defined as a rebuilding year? To me that means being a .500 team in conference maybe. I'm not OK, ever, with being a bad team. Sorry folks but we are 5-9 in conference and 10-15 against D1 competition. We aren't a middle of the road team right now. We are a bottom tier team right now in 9th place in a 11 team league. we are wasting the senior year of an all time Wyoming great due to some gaping roster holes that remain unaddressed. Is this acceptable as a rebuilding year? To me that's not rebuilding, that's just being not a good team.

You're confused about reloading and rebuilding. It's ok to have a terrible year rebuilding. I'm not ok with back to back terrible years after you've built a program. I expect some leaps next year

I'm not confused, I think we have different definitions of the words though. Reloading is what SDSU does. Rebuilding can mean different things, but to me rebuilding is still maintaining a middle of the road team. I don't think being a 9th place team is ever acceptable, especially in Josh's senior year. That's beyond the acceptable floor of rebuilding to me. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the lower level of our program to be a .500 team. I don't think dropping into the SJSU/AF tier of the MW is ever an acceptable thing.

Well this year isn't over yet so I'm not sure we are gonna be a Ninth place team this year yet. Theres quite a logjam anyway 6-9 and even to a lesser extent to 4th place.

We are still in the building phase of our program. Our rebuilding or down years are gonna be lower than they are for a team like SDSU. As long as the overall trend is upward, which I believe it is. Also I don't buy your assertion that we are a bad team. Gotta look closer than the win-loss record. We are a young team learning how to win. We have fought to the end in every game this year and have been right there till the end in every game but the Boise. Next year these kids will be better for all the close games that have gone to wire this year. They will learn how to win those and will not be rattled by close games.

Some people don't feel this team has talent and others including me see a lot of potential in these guys and think they can be a very good team the next two years. The problem is we won't know till next season so that leaves a lot of time to continue to argue about it. Looking forward to it. :lol:

I am ok with down/rebuilding years, but I just think there needs to be a level you don't cross and we have officially crossed it. If the season were to end today (which in fairness, it isn't) we would finish with an RPI of 180. That will be the lowest RPI that didn't involve Heath Schroyer in the last 35 years. Since 1980, we have only finished with an RPI that low on three occasions, all under Schroyer. There were a couple of seasons under Joby and near the end of McClain's tenure that were close (160 RPI or so), so it isn't an outlier necessarily, but....those types of seasons were what got Joby and McClain fired.

In terms of not having talent, I don't think it is that black and white. Of course there is some potential in these young guys, but do we have the core in place to contend for a MWC title in the next 2-3 years? I don't believe so. We have some pieces, but not enough.

 

[TSpoke]

A lot of schools have rebuilding years. We are no different. I don't see why people are going crazy about this season. We trusted shy in the early years and he won the MW tournament. We should keep trusting

Some people seem to think that since we won the MWCT, anything less than that is unacceptable from here on out.

Show me one post where someone has expressed that they believe that anything less than MW title is unacceptable. Please just show me one. I am OK with a rebuilding year or two. What is defined as a rebuilding year? To me that means being a .500 team in conference maybe. I'm not OK, ever, with being a bad team. Sorry folks but we are 5-9 in conference and 10-15 against D1 competition. We aren't a middle of the road team right now. We are a bottom tier team right now in 9th place in a 11 team league. we are wasting the senior year of an all time Wyoming great due to some gaping roster holes that remain unaddressed. Is this acceptable as a rebuilding year? To me that's not rebuilding, that's just being not a good team.

You're confused about reloading and rebuilding. It's ok to have a terrible year rebuilding. I'm not ok with back to back terrible years after you've built a program. I expect some leaps next year

I'm not confused, I think we have different definitions of the words though. Reloading is what SDSU does. Rebuilding can mean different things, but to me rebuilding is still maintaining a middle of the road team. I don't think being a 9th place team is ever acceptable, especially in Josh's senior year. That's beyond the acceptable floor of rebuilding to me. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the lower level of our program to be a .500 team. I don't think dropping into the SJSU/AF tier of the MW is ever an acceptable thing.

Well this year isn't over yet so I'm not sure we are gonna be a Ninth place team this year yet. Theres quite a logjam anyway 6-9 and even to a lesser extent to 4th place.

We are still in the building phase of our program. Our rebuilding or down years are gonna be lower than they are for a team like SDSU. As long as the overall trend is upward, which I believe it is. Also I don't buy your assertion that we are a bad team. Gotta look closer than the win-loss record. We are a young team learning how to win. We have fought to the end in every game this year and have been right there till the end in every game but the Boise. Next year these kids will be better for all the close games that have gone to wire this year. They will learn how to win those and will not be rattled by close games.

Some people don't feel this team has talent and others including me see a lot of potential in these guys and think they can be a very good team the next two years. The problem is we won't know till next season so that leaves a lot of time to continue to argue about it. Looking forward to it. :lol:

I am ok with down/rebuilding years, but I just think there needs to be a level you don't cross and we have officially crossed it. If the season were to end today (which in fairness, it isn't) we would finish with an RPI of 180. That will be the lowest RPI that didn't involve Heath Schroyer in the last 35 years. Since 1980, we have only finished with an RPI that low on three occasions, all under Schroyer. There were a couple of seasons under Joby and near the end of McClain's tenure that were close (160 RPI or so), so it isn't an outlier necessarily, but....those types of seasons were what got Joby and McClain fired.

In terms of not having talent, I don't think it is that black and white. Of course there is some potential in these young guys, but do we have the core in place to contend for a MWC title in the next 2-3 years? I don't believe so. We have some pieces, but not enough.

This is why I said we disagree and won't know until next year. I do believe we have the pieces to compete for a championship in the next two years.

 

[calpoke25]

This is why I said we disagree and won't know until next year. I do believe we have the pieces to compete for a championship in the next two years.

In the next 2 years? Man that is tough to see right now barring some big signings and enormous steps forward, especially considering the loss of Josh. We all knew 14-15 was going to be a big year for us, because you could see it developing for several years. You could see Nance's future, Adams future, and the big time athleticism from DC. What worries me, and others, is we just haven't even caught a glimpse of that yet from much of our roster. Typically when a player has a bright future, you at least catch glimpses of that future potential by the time the player has reached the end of his 2nd or 3rd year in the program. This could be a big game, or some big time plays, but you at least see a glimpse of the future. A good example was Jordan Naughton's man game against UNLV, or the plays that James make on a pretty regular basis. Naughton isn't going to do that every game as a freshman, but he had a breakout performance that shows he belongs on this stage. You see the future that is waiting to be developed. But we have a lot of guys on the team where I just haven't even seen a glimpse like that, 2-3 years in. I think our best case scenario is that our current freshman class rises up over the sophomores to become the stars and get supplemented with some big time talent signings but that is a lot of ifs.

Now you may say, well look at Riley Grabau as an underclassmen and where he ended up, or JMac. Those guys were project players that made themselves into quality rotation MW players, but at the end of the day you need some big time talent and a lot of depth to compete in the top tier. We had a 1st rd NBA draft pick last year to somewhat offset our general lack of talent and depth.

 

[joshvanklomp]

I am OK with a rebuilding year or two. What is defined as a rebuilding year? To me that means being a .500 team in conference maybe. I'm not OK, ever, with being a bad team. Sorry folks but we are 5-9 in conference and 10-15 against D1 competition. We aren't a middle of the road team right now. We are a bottom tier team right now in 9th place in a 11 team league. we are wasting the senior year of an all time Wyoming great due to some gaping roster holes that remain unaddressed. Is this acceptable as a rebuilding year? To me that's not rebuilding, that's just being not a good team.

This is going to upset a bunch of people, but it has to be said: We haven't built ANYTHING yet!

Cal, you said you don't think it's unreasonable to expect a .500 record as the floor for this program. Do you realize that before last year, the last time we even finished above .500 in conference play was 2002-03? But now suddenly after one fourth-place regular season finish and a magical run through the conference team, below .500 is unacceptable?

 

[calpoke25]

I am OK with a rebuilding year or two. What is defined as a rebuilding year? To me that means being a .500 team in conference maybe. I'm not OK, ever, with being a bad team. Sorry folks but we are 5-9 in conference and 10-15 against D1 competition. We aren't a middle of the road team right now. We are a bottom tier team right now in 9th place in a 11 team league. we are wasting the senior year of an all time Wyoming great due to some gaping roster holes that remain unaddressed. Is this acceptable as a rebuilding year? To me that's not rebuilding, that's just being not a good team.

This is going to upset a bunch of people, but it has to be said: We haven't built ANYTHING yet!

Cal, you said you don't think it's unreasonable to expect a .500 record as the floor for this program. Do you realize that before last year, the last time we even finished above .500 in conference play was 2002-03? But now suddenly after one fourth-place regular season finish and a magical run through the conference team, below .500 is unacceptable?

Yes, it is. Especially when there are some valid concerns about how minutes are being divided up and it feels like we aren't always putting our best foot forward. On top of that we have one of the all time great cowboys still on the roster. It is a travesty that Josh isn't getting the help he deserves in his senior year.

So according to you I'm supposed to just sit back and accept a sub .400 conference record and not question anything in the program? Is that what you'd like? I asked you to point out where someone said that anything less than a MW title is unacceptable. You didn't respond to that. But yes, we are not only a sub .500 team, we are a sub .400 team.

 

[wiley wapiti]

Ok, I will be the first to toot Shyatt's abilities to develop players because he has!!!! But I want you all to think about one thing....We have been successful with lower end recruits being developed, what would we look like if Shyatt actually got his hands on the next level basketball player. We would be the envy of the league, maybe even be the next Wichita St. or Gonzaga... He has worked magic with who he has brought in....think about what he could do with higher level kids.

 

[WYCowboy]

I would say JJ is a higher level recruit. He is not the high level #5, but neither was Larry Nance either.

 

[wiley wapiti]

I would say JJ is a higher level recruit. He is not the high level #5, but neither was Larry Nance either.

And thats what Ive been saying in all the other threads, we need more JJ type recruits. JJ is by far the most skilled recruit coach has brought in. Can you imagine what JJ can accomplish if he works as hard as Nance or Adams? Who knows how Bryce Peters will end up down at CU, but I really think he could have been a big time player here. Not coach's fault, but he would have been a great signing. We need to figure out how to get kids like Peters and Oliver to Wyo.

 

[joshvanklomp]

I would say JJ is a higher level recruit. He is not the high level #5, but neither was Larry Nance either.

And thats what Ive been saying in all the other threads, we need more JJ type recruits. JJ is by far the most skilled recruit coach has brought in. Can you imagine what JJ can accomplish if he works as hard as Nance or Adams? Who knows how Bryce Peters will end up down at CU, but I really think he could have been a big time player here. Not coach's fault, but he would have been a great signing. We need to figure out how to get kids like Peters and Oliver to Wyo.

Again, that will come with more team success. Only one season above .500 in MW play since 02-03. If we can sustain some success, the better recruits should come.

 

[laxwyo]

Calpoke, there are no valid concerns of playing time coming from the peanut gallery, Unless one of us coach K or something. There's concerns from us for sure, just not that valid. I think coach shy is in a better position. I'd sure like to see more naughton and James but I'll take coach she's experience over mine