SEC and BCS conferences to form D4

[BeaverPoke]

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Basically, the SEC and the other big conferences want to play ball by their own rules. Which is understandable. They have all the money.

NCAA doesn't want to play ball with them the way things are right now. So the SEC is talking about forming a division 4.

I think it is interesting that the NCAA doesn't just screw over the student athletes, but also the big schools that make the NCAA a billion dollar industry.

It makes sense to bully Wyo and CSU and a bunch of schools like this. But it doesn't seem smart to bully Florida and Bama and LSU.

I think that the NCAA knows before too long the current BCS conferences will be semi-pro or D-League or minor league whatever you want to call it, pay for play. And they want to keep their foot in the door.

I like that the SEC wants to take care of their players in the long-term, not just when they are wearing the school colors.

 

[YankPoke]

Start paying kids to play in college and college sports is dead, this is the worst thing that could ever happen to college sports.

 

[Brew_Poke]

The SEC doesn't give a shit about the players int he short or long term. They want to limit their liability.

 

[Hayduke]

The SEC doesn't give a shit about the players int he short or long term. They want to limit their liability.

The biggest threat to American football in general is the new focus on head injuries. I can see how these schools are making attempts to limit their liability both in this area and attempt to prevent lawsuits based on the revenue they are producing with athletics.

This is a very slippery slope. I'm not sure how the NCAA is going to control these schools. I doubt they can.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

The biggest threat to American football in general is the new focus on head injuries.

i.e. = the game itself

 

[spindoctor02]

Start paying kids to play in college and college sports is dead, this is the worst thing that could ever happen to college sports.

Maybe we should join the rest of the world and separate our athletics from our academics? If the NFL wants a developmental league, let them pay for it, and not the local taxpayers subsidizing the local college teams. Works just fine for basically all the sports in Europe and the rest of the developed world.

 

[Bryoming]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11008001/sec-ponders-potential-move-division-iv-ncaa-provide-autonomy

Basically, the SEC and the other big conferences want to play ball by their own rules. Which is understandable. They have all the money.

NCAA doesn't want to play ball with them the way things are right now. So the SEC is talking about forming a division 4.

I think it is interesting that the NCAA doesn't just screw over the student athletes, but also the big schools that make the NCAA a billion dollar industry.

It makes sense to bully Wyo and CSU and a bunch of schools like this. But it doesn't seem smart to bully Florida and Bama and LSU.

I think that the NCAA knows before too long the current BCS conferences will be semi-pro or D-League or minor league whatever you want to call it, pay for play. And they want to keep their foot in the door.

I like that the SEC wants to take care of their players in the long-term, not just when they are wearing the school colors.

The NCAA has a BIG hammer hanging over the conferences' heads, though; the NCAA basketball tournament. If the so-called "power 5" want to break off and form their own division, great. Go for it. However, you'll be seeing no money from the twelve billion dollar basketball contract. That's a lot of cheese, and not something you can just let slip away.

 

[WyoExpat]

I still think that Congress should think about granting the NCAA an Antitrust exemption.

As for paying players, this is all about TV revenue and trying to ensure that all of the best players are playing on the fewest number of teams possible so that broadcasters can broadcast All-Star Teams and so that they do not have to do much homework.

I refuse to acquiesce to the argument that the entire purpose of the college football season is to crown a true national champion. Rivalry games like the Border War are not merely quaint side-shows. They are the real foundation of university-based varsity sports including American football.

I think that TV, with its fixation on a predictable national champion by the end of Week 1 and the big 5 conferences are hell-bent on killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

 

[cheypoke]

II think that TV, with its fixation on a predictable national champion by the end of Week 1 and the big 5 conferences are hell-bent on killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

I am starting to think the same thing. I love Cowboy football. But the last few years, I have gotten to where I am not watching anywhere near as much college football as i used to, especially when it comes to "big time" schools. Its just not college football anymore. And it seems everyone I talk to says the same thing. How long can this continue to go on?

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I don't think they leave. I think they have everything they want. Do you notice how our schools can't govern ourselves but they can govern themselves? The stage is set for repeating history.

My prediction: They get everything they want in terms of paying players and whatever other high cost things they want to do. For the next 5-10 years, that is how it will go but they won't require us to do it. Then, there will be screaming about the dichotomy among resources, expenditures, etc. There will be a big panel and lots of hearings about how unfair it is to the athletes. The P5 will coax everyone back together with cries of unity.

The catch? Unity will require huge amounts of money to stay in. If you don't have that money, you drop down or a new division is created---you know like scholarships and such in the late 70s and early 80s that drove the DIA and DIAA split.

 

[BeaverPoke]

II think that TV, with its fixation on a predictable national champion by the end of Week 1 and the big 5 conferences are hell-bent on killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

I am starting to think the same thing. I love Cowboy football. But the last few years, I have gotten to where I am not watching anywhere near as much college football as i used to, especially when it comes to "big time" schools. Its just not college football anymore. And it seems everyone I talk to says the same thing. How long can this continue to go on?

See, I find myself the exact opposite. I am drawn more and more to the BCS conferences than I used to be. It could be because of the Beavers and the Pac12, or it could be because since it basically is minor league NFL they have all the money that leads to better players.

Wyoming and Bowling Green may have never been the primtime game on ESPN but at least in my eyes, there was some charm to it in the past.
Two schools that were from solid conferences battling it out in a game of who is tougher.
Now, this Wyo-FIU game this season...who cares? Besides us and them?

I don't like that the big conferences are taking over so much more than they have but it's definitely an arms race and they are controlling it all.

 

[Brew_Poke]

II think that TV, with its fixation on a predictable national champion by the end of Week 1 and the big 5 conferences are hell-bent on killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

I am starting to think the same thing. I love Cowboy football. But the last few years, I have gotten to where I am not watching anywhere near as much college football as i used to, especially when it comes to "big time" schools. Its just not college football anymore. And it seems everyone I talk to says the same thing. How long can this continue to go on?

See, I find myself the exact opposite. I am drawn more and more to the BCS conferences than I used to be. It could be because of the Beavers and the Pac12, or it could be because since it basically is minor league NFL they have all the money that leads to better players.

Wyoming and Bowling Green may have never been the primtime game on ESPN but at least in my eyes, there was some charm to it in the past.
Two schools that were from solid conferences battling it out in a game of who is tougher.
Now, this Wyo-FIU game this season...who cares? Besides us and them?

I don't like that the big conferences are taking over so much more than they have but it's definitely an arms race and they are controlling it all.

Us caring is the whole point of college football. I watch almost no non-Poke football college or pro.

 

[BeaverPoke]

II think that TV, with its fixation on a predictable national champion by the end of Week 1 and the big 5 conferences are hell-bent on killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

I am starting to think the same thing. I love Cowboy football. But the last few years, I have gotten to where I am not watching anywhere near as much college football as i used to, especially when it comes to "big time" schools. Its just not college football anymore. And it seems everyone I talk to says the same thing. How long can this continue to go on?

See, I find myself the exact opposite. I am drawn more and more to the BCS conferences than I used to be. It could be because of the Beavers and the Pac12, or it could be because since it basically is minor league NFL they have all the money that leads to better players.

Wyoming and Bowling Green may have never been the primtime game on ESPN but at least in my eyes, there was some charm to it in the past.
Two schools that were from solid conferences battling it out in a game of who is tougher.
Now, this Wyo-FIU game this season...who cares? Besides us and them?

I don't like that the big conferences are taking over so much more than they have but it's definitely an arms race and they are controlling it all.

Us caring is the whole point of college football. I watch almost no non-Poke football college or pro.

Brew-Poke, I think you are in the minority when it comes to only watching 1 team.
Most college football fans around the country watch many games throughout the weekend.
If the Wyo-FIU game was on ESPN instead of Alabama-LSU or Oregon-Stanford, people would be pissed.

Us (Wyo fans) caring is a huge point of college football but not the only reason for it. If we truly didn't give two craps about any other football going on, why wouldn't we just want to go to FCS? Why would non-AQ fans everywhere be getting pissed about the way the BCS conferences are taking over?

 

[Brew_Poke]

II think that TV, with its fixation on a predictable national champion by the end of Week 1 and the big 5 conferences are hell-bent on killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

I am starting to think the same thing. I love Cowboy football. But the last few years, I have gotten to where I am not watching anywhere near as much college football as i used to, especially when it comes to "big time" schools. Its just not college football anymore. And it seems everyone I talk to says the same thing. How long can this continue to go on?

See, I find myself the exact opposite. I am drawn more and more to the BCS conferences than I used to be. It could be because of the Beavers and the Pac12, or it could be because since it basically is minor league NFL they have all the money that leads to better players.

Wyoming and Bowling Green may have never been the primtime game on ESPN but at least in my eyes, there was some charm to it in the past.
Two schools that were from solid conferences battling it out in a game of who is tougher.
Now, this Wyo-FIU game this season...who cares? Besides us and them?

I don't like that the big conferences are taking over so much more than they have but it's definitely an arms race and they are controlling it all.

Us caring is the whole point of college football. I watch almost no non-Poke football college or pro.

Brew-Poke, I think you are in the minority when it comes to only watching 1 team.
Most college football fans around the country watch many games throughout the weekend.
If the Wyo-FIU game was on ESPN instead of Alabama-LSU or Oregon-Stanford, people would be pissed.

Us (Wyo fans) caring is a huge point of college football but not the only reason for it. If we truly didn't give two craps about any other football going on, why wouldn't we just want to go to FCS? Why would non-AQ fans everywhere be getting pissed about the way the BCS conferences are taking over?

You're confusing most college football fans your age with most college football fans. If you're anything like most people, your fandom will change as you grow older.

 

[BeaverPoke]

II think that TV, with its fixation on a predictable national champion by the end of Week 1 and the big 5 conferences are hell-bent on killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

I am starting to think the same thing. I love Cowboy football. But the last few years, I have gotten to where I am not watching anywhere near as much college football as i used to, especially when it comes to "big time" schools. Its just not college football anymore. And it seems everyone I talk to says the same thing. How long can this continue to go on?

See, I find myself the exact opposite. I am drawn more and more to the BCS conferences than I used to be. It could be because of the Beavers and the Pac12, or it could be because since it basically is minor league NFL they have all the money that leads to better players.

Wyoming and Bowling Green may have never been the primtime game on ESPN but at least in my eyes, there was some charm to it in the past.
Two schools that were from solid conferences battling it out in a game of who is tougher.
Now, this Wyo-FIU game this season...who cares? Besides us and them?

I don't like that the big conferences are taking over so much more than they have but it's definitely an arms race and they are controlling it all.

Us caring is the whole point of college football. I watch almost no non-Poke football college or pro.

Brew-Poke, I think you are in the minority when it comes to only watching 1 team.
Most college football fans around the country watch many games throughout the weekend.
If the Wyo-FIU game was on ESPN instead of Alabama-LSU or Oregon-Stanford, people would be pissed.

Us (Wyo fans) caring is a huge point of college football but not the only reason for it. If we truly didn't give two craps about any other football going on, why wouldn't we just want to go to FCS? Why would non-AQ fans everywhere be getting pissed about the way the BCS conferences are taking over?

You're confusing most college football fans your age with most college football fans. If you're anything like most people, your fandom will change as you grow older.

I find that hard to believe as my age group does not have the money to drive ESPN like yours does.
All throughout the season on our message board along with every single message board across the country, there is always updates about other games going on.

 

[TSpoke]

I always enjoy watching games every sturday (and thurday and friday nights) Im not a fan of any other team but the cowboys but if there is an interesting matchup I will always be excited to watch college football. I'll watch a lot of MWC games then any interesting teams/players any given week.

 

[WYCowboy]

I'm a Wyoming fan #1 and a MWC fan #2. After that I'm not much interested unless a MWC team is involved.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

II think that TV, with its fixation on a predictable national champion by the end of Week 1 and the big 5 conferences are hell-bent on killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

I am starting to think the same thing. I love Cowboy football. But the last few years, I have gotten to where I am not watching anywhere near as much college football as i used to, especially when it comes to "big time" schools. Its just not college football anymore. And it seems everyone I talk to says the same thing. How long can this continue to go on?

See, I find myself the exact opposite. I am drawn more and more to the BCS conferences than I used to be. It could be because of the Beavers and the Pac12, or it could be because since it basically is minor league NFL they have all the money that leads to better players.

Wyoming and Bowling Green may have never been the primtime game on ESPN but at least in my eyes, there was some charm to it in the past.
Two schools that were from solid conferences battling it out in a game of who is tougher.
Now, this Wyo-FIU game this season...who cares? Besides us and them?

I don't like that the big conferences are taking over so much more than they have but it's definitely an arms race and they are controlling it all.

Us caring is the whole point of college football. I watch almost no non-Poke football college or pro.

That's the same for me. I watch other conference games to see how that will impact Wyoming. I watch our ooc opponents games before we face them. I watch Wyoming. I could care less about the rest of the games.

I don't watch that much NLF either. It doesn't inspire near the same amount of passion in me. We don't have a team in Wyoming. The NFL draft and free agency isn't nearly as much fun to me as the recruiting process. It means more to 18-22 year olds because they don't have 16 cars, a woman in every NFL city, and the ability to pick up an 84,000 check at the cheesecake factory.

A lot of us Poke fans came up when the Cowboys were dominant. Some of us came up when the Cowboys were a national sensation at football. Cowboy fans that came up in the 2000's, I feel bad for them. They don't know what it's like to be the first team in the conference to go undefeated in conference two seasons in a row.

That doesn't mean that we aren't the minority, but I'm with Brew:

Cowboys all day.

 

[Brew_Poke]

II think that TV, with its fixation on a predictable national champion by the end of Week 1 and the big 5 conferences are hell-bent on killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

I am starting to think the same thing. I love Cowboy football. But the last few years, I have gotten to where I am not watching anywhere near as much college football as i used to, especially when it comes to "big time" schools. Its just not college football anymore. And it seems everyone I talk to says the same thing. How long can this continue to go on?

See, I find myself the exact opposite. I am drawn more and more to the BCS conferences than I used to be. It could be because of the Beavers and the Pac12, or it could be because since it basically is minor league NFL they have all the money that leads to better players.

Wyoming and Bowling Green may have never been the primtime game on ESPN but at least in my eyes, there was some charm to it in the past.
Two schools that were from solid conferences battling it out in a game of who is tougher.
Now, this Wyo-FIU game this season...who cares? Besides us and them?

I don't like that the big conferences are taking over so much more than they have but it's definitely an arms race and they are controlling it all.

Us caring is the whole point of college football. I watch almost no non-Poke football college or pro.

Brew-Poke, I think you are in the minority when it comes to only watching 1 team.
Most college football fans around the country watch many games throughout the weekend.
If the Wyo-FIU game was on ESPN instead of Alabama-LSU or Oregon-Stanford, people would be pissed.

Us (Wyo fans) caring is a huge point of college football but not the only reason for it. If we truly didn't give two craps about any other football going on, why wouldn't we just want to go to FCS? Why would non-AQ fans everywhere be getting pissed about the way the BCS conferences are taking over?

You're confusing most college football fans your age with most college football fans. If you're anything like most people, your fandom will change as you grow older.

I find that hard to believe as my age group does not have the money to drive ESPN like yours does.
All throughout the season on our message board along with every single message board across the country, there is always updates about other games going on.

College football is almost unrecognizable from what it was up to the '90s nowadays. It's a pro league like the NFL, and what used to draw me to follow the top 20 polls and the games week by week all over the country has been crushed. I really only care about the Cowboys, as the BCS and the greed of the AQ leagues and bowl commissioners, et. al., have destroyed what once made it unique and majestic in the global sporting community.