Schollie possibilities

[carbonpoke]

this is getting ridiculous... schroyer's recruits werent ALL amazing either. Remember some of the turds they brought in.

and schroyers teams fucking sucked. we got our asses kicked by everybody. so what are we trying to say... we need a shittier team? all of the above named shitheads from schroyers teams were "losers", meaning they didn't win. I can't FUCKING believe we have anybody trying to say we need to even resemble something from that shitty episode of dark basketball history...

at least schroyer could recruit? Are you fucking kidding me? so could dave rice. there is a reason they can recruit.... because they don't have a grip on the leadership role of the team... players with no team identity see this, come for a year to play harlem ball, then try to leave early to the pros.

I wish we could write schroyer off and never speak of him again. heath schroyer is a quitter, and a piece of excrement that we should not praise.

its like a Germany saying... "Well, at least when Hitler was here, we had the SS"

and remember the non committal from the schroyer staff to graduate and have good grades.

YES I DO. I don't want anything to do with that slimmy maggot infested bum.

 

[rich22]

this is getting ridiculous... schroyer's recruits werent ALL amazing either. Remember some of the turds they brought in.

and schroyers teams fucking sucked. we got our asses kicked by everybody. so what are we trying to say... we need a shittier team? all of the above named shitheads from schroyers teams were "losers", meaning they didn't win. I can't FUCKING believe we have anybody trying to say we need to even resemble something from that shitty episode of dark basketball history...

at least schroyer could recruit? Are you fucking kidding me? so could dave rice. there is a reason they can recruit.... because they don't have a grip on the leadership role of the team... players with no team identity see this, come for a year to play harlem ball, then try to leave early to the pros.

I wish we could write schroyer off and never speak of him again. heath schroyer is a quitter, and a piece of excrement that we should not praise.

its like a Germany saying... "Well, at least when Hitler was here, we had the SS"

and remember the non committal from the schroyer staff to graduate and have good grades.

YES I DO. I don't want anything to do with that slimmy maggot infested bum.

Amen!

 

[wiley wapiti]

I agree. Get Williams. Maybe get both Clavert and Williams. I think we will lose another player on schollie. Whether he quits or "is asked to leave" is to be determined.

agreed, one of our bigs needs to go. We all know which one.

I don't think he's referring to a big. A player that hasn't played much this year that everyone thought should but we saw why he wasn't

Yeah, I know who he is talking about...but IMHO Id rather have a 6'4" guard/wing that needs help over a 6'10" division 2 player. Naughton is going to be a stud, we need another..., but maybe our 6'4" guard is too much of a "me" player for coach because he has way more upside than our big that needs to go.

Im not going to pretend to know why or why not coach recruits some kids and not others, but it does bother me that a disaster of a coach (the slick haired shyster) can get better talent into Laramie then a coach who is known to be one of the best in the land. I feel like he limits himself a little because of his high standards, there I said it. I could be way off, but I think coach is a little too "mr. nice guy/polite old school" when it comes to recruiting. We are not looking for a kid to marry our daughters. I think he could bring in a little better talent if he "toed the line" a little. Not scummy and dirtbag, but a little bit more "role the dice" type. Adams comes to mind, we just don't get enough of those kids.

And again (bringing out the Mclain quotes, lol), you can say winning will solve that, but the shyster didn't win and he still brought in more talent than our current coach. We really needed Bryce Peters....think about JJ, Peters and Mueller/Parker all on the court at the same time with Naughton down low and Conway/Lieberman at the point, while Thompson, Moemeka and another "good" big getting minutes off the bench in 2017. Thats a sweet sixteen or better squad...

I don't really think that is true in regards to Shyatt's standards. I don't see our standards as different from most schools. We have recruited players that were academically questionable for D-1 who ended up not being able to go D-1 as a result (Turner, Hunte) and we have recruited players like Shakir Smith and Derek Cooke who have gotten into some trouble off the court. Not to mention guys whatever happened with Keonta Vernon, Diontae Jones, and Tyrell Williams.

I think that some people promote Shyatt in that fashion in order to excuse the sub par competitive performance (not you). If we want to excuse the competitive performance there is really only one justification but it's difficult for us to admit: maybe it's just too hard to recruit to UW.

ok, maybe you're right, but were any of those kids you stated above "next level" recruits..ie top 100's? I ask because I'm not really sure, but i don't think they were. I just find the argument "too hard to recruit to UW" for basketball not believable. If Shroyer can do it, its possible. Maybe coach does find some "role the dice" type kids, but they aren't top 100 "role the dice" type kids. I will be the first to admit, I might not know what I'm talking about with coach, but it just seems odd that he (great coach) can't get top 100 kids into our program and a shithead like Shroyer can... or next level kids.

Wait who were "top 100" kids shroyer brought in? Or next level guys?


I liked the talent level a lot of M'baye, Thiam, desmar Jackson, and AJ Davis. But none of those guys were top 100 recruits were they? None are NBA players right?


Shroyers recruiting ability is getting overblown with time. He brought in good athletes, but nobody that was stick around types and nobody Wyoming fans will remember in another 10 years. If you even remember them now

You are definitely missing a few... lol. One of them was the 54thish rank player in the nation his senior year, also he had a freshman of the year player and one was the 8th ranked kid out of Ohio. I NEVER, EVER said anything about Schroyers coaching, he was straight GARBAGE and would never want him to coach anywhere near Wyoming again, but Im sorry, he did recruit more next level kids in his four years than Shyatte has.

I LOVE SHYATT, I think he is the best coach we have had since Brandy...I just worry about the level of kids he seems to get. All I have been saying this whole time is, just think how good we could be, if we could get the "next level", or a few top 100 kids to come. We would be Wichita St. or Gonzaga with Shyatt's ability to develop. Thats all!!!

Oh, and maybe I'm being misunderstood about "next level". Im not talking NBA, I'm talking Next level high school kids. Ones that are just above athletically and skill wise....like a Josh Adams.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Heath never put one of our guys in the NBA. Not one.

Shyatt got one in his first recruiting class. He's about to get a second from his second recruiting class.

Heath took risks on bad apples that no one else wanted, and then let them do whatever they wanted.

Shy develops players.

It's not even close.

 

[wiley wapiti]

Heath never put one of our guys in the NBA. Not one.

Shyatt got one in his first recruiting class. He's about to get a second from his second recruiting class.

Heath took risks on bad apples that no one else wanted, and then let them do whatever they wanted.

Shy develops players.

It's not even close.

Nobody said it was close...

Nobody said Schroyer could coach...

We all know Shyatt is WITHOUT a doubt head and shoulders, in a different league at developing his players....

The opinion that has been brought up, is that I believe Shyatt could take us to another level, IF he could get a little better (more athletic, like Adams) high school recruit through the door (In my opinion, Schroyer brought in more talented athletes in his four years than Shyatt has). Schroyer could not develop or coach that talent, but his recruits IMO were more athletic than most of Shyatts. That's it people, nothing else.....

If you don't think the same way as I do, thats ok. Just try to follow along and not turn the opinion around to a different conversation.

Of course all of this is said with a smile, I'm not trying to start a fight, just conversation. After all, we are all Cowboy fans....

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Heath never put one of our guys in the NBA. Not one.

Shyatt got one in his first recruiting class. He's about to get a second from his second recruiting class.

Heath took risks on bad apples that no one else wanted, and then let them do whatever they wanted.

Shy develops players.

It's not even close.

Nobody said it was close...

Nobody said Schroyer could coach...

We all know Shyatt is WITHOUT a doubt head and shoulders, in a different league at developing his players....

The opinion that has been brought up, is that I believe Shyatt could take us to another level, IF he could get a little better (more athletic, like Adams) high school recruit through the door (In my opinion, Schroyer brought in more talented athletes in his four years than Shyatt has). Schroyer could not develop or coach that talent, but his recruits IMO were more athletic than most of Shyatts. That's it people, nothing else.....

If you don't think the same way as I do, thats ok. Just try to follow along and not turn the opinion around to a different conversation.

Of course all of this is said with a smile, I'm not trying to start a fight, just conversation. After all, we are all Cowboy fans....

I agree on all accounts

 

[rich22]

I agree. Get Williams. Maybe get both Clavert and Williams. I think we will lose another player on schollie. Whether he quits or "is asked to leave" is to be determined.

agreed, one of our bigs needs to go. We all know which one.

I don't think he's referring to a big. A player that hasn't played much this year that everyone thought should but we saw why he wasn't

Yeah, I know who he is talking about...but IMHO Id rather have a 6'4" guard/wing that needs help over a 6'10" division 2 player. Naughton is going to be a stud, we need another..., but maybe our 6'4" guard is too much of a "me" player for coach because he has way more upside than our big that needs to go.

Im not going to pretend to know why or why not coach recruits some kids and not others, but it does bother me that a disaster of a coach (the slick haired shyster) can get better talent into Laramie then a coach who is known to be one of the best in the land. I feel like he limits himself a little because of his high standards, there I said it. I could be way off, but I think coach is a little too "mr. nice guy/polite old school" when it comes to recruiting. We are not looking for a kid to marry our daughters. I think he could bring in a little better talent if he "toed the line" a little. Not scummy and dirtbag, but a little bit more "role the dice" type. Adams comes to mind, we just don't get enough of those kids.

And again (bringing out the Mclain quotes, lol), you can say winning will solve that, but the shyster didn't win and he still brought in more talent than our current coach. We really needed Bryce Peters....think about JJ, Peters and Mueller/Parker all on the court at the same time with Naughton down low and Conway/Lieberman at the point, while Thompson, Moemeka and another "good" big getting minutes off the bench in 2017. Thats a sweet sixteen or better squad...

I don't really think that is true in regards to Shyatt's standards. I don't see our standards as different from most schools. We have recruited players that were academically questionable for D-1 who ended up not being able to go D-1 as a result (Turner, Hunte) and we have recruited players like Shakir Smith and Derek Cooke who have gotten into some trouble off the court. Not to mention guys whatever happened with Keonta Vernon, Diontae Jones, and Tyrell Williams.

I think that some people promote Shyatt in that fashion in order to excuse the sub par competitive performance (not you). If we want to excuse the competitive performance there is really only one justification but it's difficult for us to admit: maybe it's just too hard to recruit to UW.

ok, maybe you're right, but were any of those kids you stated above "next level" recruits..ie top 100's? I ask because I'm not really sure, but i don't think they were. I just find the argument "too hard to recruit to UW" for basketball not believable. If Shroyer can do it, its possible. Maybe coach does find some "role the dice" type kids, but they aren't top 100 "role the dice" type kids. I will be the first to admit, I might not know what I'm talking about with coach, but it just seems odd that he (great coach) can't get top 100 kids into our program and a shithead like Shroyer can... or next level kids.

Wait who were "top 100" kids shroyer brought in? Or next level guys?


I liked the talent level a lot of M'baye, Thiam, desmar Jackson, and AJ Davis. But none of those guys were top 100 recruits were they? None are NBA players right?


Shroyers recruiting ability is getting overblown with time. He brought in good athletes, but nobody that was stick around types and nobody Wyoming fans will remember in another 10 years. If you even remember them now

You are definitely missing a few... lol. One of them was the 54thish rank player in the nation his senior year, also he had a freshman of the year player and one was the 8th ranked kid out of Ohio. I NEVER, EVER said anything about Schroyers coaching, he was straight GARBAGE and would never want him to coach anywhere near Wyoming again, but Im sorry, he did recruit more next level kids in his four years than Shyatte has.

I LOVE SHYATT, I think he is the best coach we have had since Brandy...I just worry about the level of kids he seems to get. All I have been saying this whole time is, just think how good we could be, if we could get the "next level", or a few top 100 kids to come. We would be Wichita St. or Gonzaga with Shyatt's ability to develop. Thats all!!!

Oh, and maybe I'm being misunderstood about "next level". Im not talking NBA, I'm talking Next level high school kids. Ones that are just above athletically and skill wise....like a Josh Adams.

What recruits are they missing? Washington was 54th in the nation right? Afam was freshman of the year. Davis was the Ohio kid? I honestly can't remember. I still think I would put Cooke jr., Nance jr. And Josh adams against any 3 schroyer recruits athletically. Just my opinion. I would agree that schroyer had a few talented recruits but he also had some like linskens that were terrible.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Heath never put one of our guys in the NBA. Not one.

Shyatt got one in his first recruiting class. He's about to get a second from his second recruiting class.

Heath took risks on bad apples that no one else wanted, and then let them do whatever they wanted.

Shy develops players.

It's not even close.

Nobody said it was close...

Nobody said Schroyer could coach...

We all know Shyatt is WITHOUT a doubt head and shoulders, in a different league at developing his players....

The opinion that has been brought up, is that I believe Shyatt could take us to another level, IF he could get a little better (more athletic, like Adams) high school recruit through the door (In my opinion, Schroyer brought in more talented athletes in his four years than Shyatt has). Schroyer could not develop or coach that talent, but his recruits IMO were more athletic than most of Shyatts. That's it people, nothing else.....

If you don't think the same way as I do, thats ok. Just try to follow along and not turn the opinion around to a different conversation.

Of course all of this is said with a smile, I'm not trying to start a fight, just conversation. After all, we are all Cowboy fans....

I don't agree.

Heath has never done anything better than Shy, even on accident.

He recruited people that no one else wanted and they turned into nothing. Shy has recruited players that few teams want and some of them turn into NBA players.

Heath wasn't getting better athletes than Larry. He was getting ball hogs that could jump high. None of his recruits we're as athletic as Adams or Nance.

Shy's experience already tells him that you pass on guys that are quitters, bad apples, locker room turds, and ball hogs. Heath thinks his team is going to better because of them.

I don't think Heath has ever done anything better than Shy. No offense, but his recruiting isn't anywhere near the same level as Shy's.

 

[davidwyo]

We had a chance to grab some recruits after the MWC tourney win. We need to show up at the tourney and win at least two games. Remember that we also have a nice arena and a talented player can earn a starting spot. We need some great Shooting Guards and Forward.

 

[WyoExpat]

Not a guard. We have enough guards. Someone that's 6'8'' and can rebound, please.

I'm scared getting another big might hurt our chances with landing Hunter Thompson next year though. With Naughton and Barnes getting another year of experience, Herndon and Dalton gaining a few pounds and becoming more comfortable with their roles, as well as Moemeka coming off his redshirt... I feel like getting a big in 2016 might cause a perceived log jam and scare away Hunter from staying close to home. Other 2017 targets Parker Stewart and Avea seem like pure shooters, so I wouldn't mind seeing the staff look for another true PG. Besides Lieberman and Conway there's not much else. And if your wishes to never let Lieberman on the court become true, that PG spot becomes even more thin...

The only thing that really worries me about our current crop of bigs is that no one outside of Naughton shows any aggressiveness in the post. Barnes is way too passive, Herndon and Dalton don't have the bulk. While Herndon did gain a little during the last off season, he doesn't have the big banger mentality needed to play inside. Dalton, while more aggressive, is rail thin and I don't see that changing drastically during the upcoming off season.

We have plenty of scorers on this team and on the teams to come with the projected returners and players coming off of the redshirt year. We need someone that takes the role of protecting/owing the paint. I really want to see another Justin Williams on this team.

I suspect that Justin Williams is the perfect example of exactly the kind of player that Coach Shyatt will stay away from.

I also suspect that Coach Shyatt does consider the kind of character that one might be comfortable with as a date for one's daughter. (He, of course, has no daughters.)

One possibility that we have not seen here is a grad student transfer. The right guy could instantly inject maturity and help balance classes at the same time. We will not even know which players are available and interested in going the grad transfer route until much later.

Why would he stay away from a Justin Williams?

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't he kind of known for being a fighter, as in ejection-worthy? Also, I know that Coach McClain's teams eventually lost scholarships due to low APR scores. Was he part of that?

Note that I am not talking about skill level, energy, or toughness here.

It is entirely possible that I am not thinking of the correct player either.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Not a guard. We have enough guards. Someone that's 6'8'' and can rebound, please.

I'm scared getting another big might hurt our chances with landing Hunter Thompson next year though. With Naughton and Barnes getting another year of experience, Herndon and Dalton gaining a few pounds and becoming more comfortable with their roles, as well as Moemeka coming off his redshirt... I feel like getting a big in 2016 might cause a perceived log jam and scare away Hunter from staying close to home. Other 2017 targets Parker Stewart and Avea seem like pure shooters, so I wouldn't mind seeing the staff look for another true PG. Besides Lieberman and Conway there's not much else. And if your wishes to never let Lieberman on the court become true, that PG spot becomes even more thin...

The only thing that really worries me about our current crop of bigs is that no one outside of Naughton shows any aggressiveness in the post. Barnes is way too passive, Herndon and Dalton don't have the bulk. While Herndon did gain a little during the last off season, he doesn't have the big banger mentality needed to play inside. Dalton, while more aggressive, is rail thin and I don't see that changing drastically during the upcoming off season.

We have plenty of scorers on this team and on the teams to come with the projected returners and players coming off of the redshirt year. We need someone that takes the role of protecting/owing the paint. I really want to see another Justin Williams on this team.

I suspect that Justin Williams is the perfect example of exactly the kind of player that Coach Shyatt will stay away from.

I also suspect that Coach Shyatt does consider the kind of character that one might be comfortable with as a date for one's daughter. (He, of course, has no daughters.)

One possibility that we have not seen here is a grad student transfer. The right guy could instantly inject maturity and help balance classes at the same time. We will not even know which players are available and interested in going the grad transfer route until much later.

Why would he stay away from a Justin Williams?

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't he kind of known for being a fighter, as in ejection-worthy? Also, I know that Coach McClain's teams eventually lost scholarships due to low APR scores. Was he part of that?

Note that I am not talking about skill level, energy, or toughness here.

It is entirely possible that I am not thinking of the correct player either.

That wasn't Justin Williams. I think you are thinking of Joseph Taylor.

 

[Coeur d' Alene]

Pretty crazy what might/could happen now when for so long we thought there were no more scholarships open. Now it's Mueller, and 1 to 6 more.

KBW and mueller and keeping those 5 is what I'm hoping for (or atleast 4 of them- I can't see why shyatt and marshals post season meeting could go anything but terrible. No way he brings him back)

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Looks to me that we screwed the pooch last year in recruiting. This Michael Daum from Kimball is going to be a stud. All we had to do was offer him. Think he would have been a huge upgrade over Dalton.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Looks to me that we screwed the pooch last year in recruiting. This Michael Daum from Kimball is going to be a stud. All we had to do was offer him. Think he would have been a huge upgrade over Dalton.

Time will tell. Regardless, I will always cheer for a Wyoming player over any other player. Dalton is on the team, Daum isn't. And I think Dalton is going to be a very decent roll player the next two years.

 

[NowherePoke]

Looks to me that we screwed the pooch last year in recruiting. This Michael Daum from Kimball is going to be a stud. All we had to do was offer him. Think he would have been a huge upgrade over Dalton.

It isn't really between Daum and Dalton though. Daum was an early signee in the 2014 class (he is a RS Fr.). The easy thing looking back is to say we should have signed him instead of Diontae Jones, but I think the reality is that it probably came down to Daum or Barnes and we pursued Barnes instead.

Obviously in hindsight it was a no-brainer, but Barnes was the more sought after recruit, so plenty of other coaches missed on Daum as well.

I am pretty critical of Shyatt's recruiting overall, but I can understand how this one was difficult.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

Looks to me that we screwed the pooch last year in recruiting. This Michael Daum from Kimball is going to be a stud. All we had to do was offer him. Think he would have been a huge upgrade over Dalton.

It isn't really between Daum and Dalton though. Daum was an early signee in the 2014 class (he is a RS Fr.). The easy thing looking back is to say we should have signed him instead of Diontae Jones, but I think the reality is that it probably came down to Daum or Barnes and we pursued Barnes instead.

Obviously in hindsight it was a no-brainer, but Barnes was the more sought after recruit, so plenty of other coaches missed on Daum as well.

I am pretty critical of Shyatt's recruiting overall, but I can understand how this one was difficult.

Didn't realize he had redshirted. So I would agree that he would have been a better recruit than Barnes. He has the genetics to be a scorer!

 

[NebraskaCowboy]

Looks to me that we screwed the pooch last year in recruiting. This Michael Daum from Kimball is going to be a stud. All we had to do was offer him. Think he would have been a huge upgrade over Dalton.

Quick run down on Daum. He's a redshirt freshman from Kimball. Mom is in the hall of fame here for her play as a basketball player while his dad played football here at the time. We did offer him and he has bloodlines here so you can't say we didn't try. Having played this guy growing up, I will say he is a good talent and has gotten better including growing into his body and becoming stronger, but I think he was turned away from the physicality of the Mountain West and Shyatt's desire to have guys be defensive players first. In high school, he was probably 6'8" and I saw a kid 6'1" shut him down defensively do to the fact he never wanted to utilize his size and was more concerned with roaming the perimeter. I think he also would've had issues being a good defender which would have limited his minutes here. I do think he would contribute here, but the fit was not as good as at South Dakota State.

 

[WyoExpat]

That wasn't Justin Williams. I think you are thinking of Joseph Taylor.

Could be. If so, then it is my bad. Thanks.

 

[rich22]

I thought I would bring this topic up again since we know now who our coach is.

A couple thoughts on the topics brought up in this thread.

Another Shyatt recruit that I didn't think about that was a high ranked recruit (if we are going to allow Shroyer to count Leonard Washington as his recruit) is Charles Hankerson Jr. I think he was in the top 100 or close to it when he came out of High School. He was the 6A player of the year in Florida and averaged like 27 ppg. I know ESPN ranked him as a 4 star recruit.

Daum played well in the tourney and it did make me think what if. Another kid that did pretty well was Zach Braxton from Weber State. He is from Colorado and we kind of backed off of him when we signed Barnes. I always thought that was a mistake because when Barnes and Braxton went head to head in High School, Barnes had like 8 points 3 rebounds and Braxton had 20 points and 10 rebounds.

Does anyone know who we are looking at for our last Scholarship? Does it sound like all of the 5 suspended players are coming back? Were they there for the introduction of Coach Edwards? I know Hayden Dalton was because he commented on the hire and it was put in Gag's article. Coach did sound like he was going to be pretty tough on the players when he said that he will put a stamp on discipline in the program with these 5 players. What do you guys think?

 

[TSpoke]

I thought I would bring this topic up again since we know now who our coach is.

A couple thoughts on the topics brought up in this thread.

Another Shyatt recruit that I didn't think about that was a high ranked recruit (if we are going to allow Shroyer to count Leonard Washington as his recruit) is Charles Hankerson Jr. I think he was in the top 100 or close to it when he came out of High School. He was the 6A player of the year in Florida and averaged like 27 ppg. I know ESPN ranked him as a 4 star recruit.

Daum played well in the tourney and it did make me think what if. Another kid that did pretty well was Zach Braxton from Weber State. He is from Colorado and we kind of backed off of him when we signed Barnes. I always thought that was a mistake because when Barnes and Braxton went head to head in High School, Barnes had like 8 points 3 rebounds and Braxton had 20 points and 10 rebounds.

Does anyone know who we are looking at for our last Scholarship? Does it sound like all of the 5 suspended players are coming back? Were they there for the introduction of Coach Edwards? I know Hayden Dalton was because he commented on the hire and it was put in Gag's article. Coach did sound like he was going to be pretty tough on the players when he said that he will put a stamp on discipline in the program with these 5 players. What do you guys think?

They were all there according to Holmgren. I am guessing they will all be back but who knows. I am guessing that the change in coaches will not have any effect of players returning or leaving, meaning if a player ends up leaving they would have left even if Shyatt stayed. My opinion anyway.