joshvanklomp
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Do either of the walk-ons have a shot at earning the scholarship?
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wiley wapiti
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Mr.Large said:
agreed, one of our bigs needs to go. We all know which one.
Coeur d' Alene
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Gillette college does need some attention. This might be the right time. They are playing at a different level and bringing in really athletic guys compared to the other Wyoming JUCOs. Tony Schamber is the assistant coach there. He was a walk on and then student assistant under McClain. From wheatland
wiley wapiti
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laxwyo said:
Yeah, I know who he is talking about...but IMHO Id rather have a 6'4" guard/wing that needs help over a 6'10" division 2 player. Naughton is going to be a stud, we need another..., but maybe our 6'4" guard is too much of a "me" player for coach because he has way more upside than our big that needs to go.
Im not going to pretend to know why or why not coach recruits some kids and not others, but it does bother me that a disaster of a coach (the slick haired shyster) can get better talent into Laramie then a coach who is known to be one of the best in the land. I feel like he limits himself a little because of his high standards, there I said it. I could be way off, but I think coach is a little too "mr. nice guy/polite old school" when it comes to recruiting. We are not looking for a kid to marry our daughters. I think he could bring in a little better talent if he "toed the line" a little. Not scummy and dirtbag, but a little bit more "role the dice" type. Adams comes to mind, we just don't get enough of those kids.
And again (bringing out the Mclain quotes, lol), you can say winning will solve that, but the shyster didn't win and he still brought in more talent than our current coach. We really needed Bryce Peters....think about JJ, Peters and Mueller/Parker all on the court at the same time with Naughton down low and Conway/Lieberman at the point, while Thompson, Moemeka and another "good" big getting minutes off the bench in 2017. Thats a sweet sixteen or better squad...
wiley wapiti said:
Maybe our coaches are a little more into team chemistry than the coach you are referring to. UNLV is a good example of recruiting top players - but no team chemistry. In other words, Coach Shy doesn't just look at talent. There are some misses, but recruiting will never be a perfect science.
wiley wapiti
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WYCowboy said:
Oh, I agree chemistry is most certainly key, but chemistry is a crap shoot when recruiting, maybe thats why our WING is not getting time??? I don't know for sure, but just maybe...
Yes look at UNLV....lots of talent, kinda like most years at Kentucky, huh.? Whats the difference??? Coaching, not always chemistry. Chemistry can be built with good coaching. Most of these top kids aren't used to being second and third options, but a coach who knows what he is doing, (Calipari, and I hate that dude, fyi) can get those types to play together and build chemistry.
Also, I don't expect coach to get top 15 talent, but I can't believe he is not good enough to get a few top 100's here and there, thats all.
NowherePoke
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wiley wapiti said:
I don't really think that is true in regards to Shyatt's standards. I don't see our standards as different from most schools. We have recruited players that were academically questionable for D-1 who ended up not being able to go D-1 as a result (Turner, Hunte) and we have recruited players like Shakir Smith and Derek Cooke who have gotten into some trouble off the court. Not to mention guys whatever happened with Keonta Vernon, Diontae Jones, and Tyrell Williams.
I think that some people promote Shyatt in that fashion in order to excuse the sub par competitive performance (not you). If we want to excuse the competitive performance there is really only one justification but it's difficult for us to admit: maybe it's just too hard to recruit to UW.
wiley wapiti
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NowherePoke said:
ok, maybe you're right, but were any of those kids you stated above "next level" recruits..ie top 100's? I ask because I'm not really sure, but i don't think they were. I just find the argument "too hard to recruit to UW" for basketball not believable. If Shroyer can do it, its possible. Maybe coach does find some "role the dice" type kids, but they aren't top 100 "role the dice" type kids. I will be the first to admit, I might not know what I'm talking about with coach, but it just seems odd that he (great coach) can't get top 100 kids into our program and a shithead like Shroyer can... or next level kids.
Q: "What approach do you take in looking for the “right kid” at Wyoming as opposed to some of your previous stops like Clemson, Oregon and UCLA?
“It still comes down to who fits our system. We want to get the most well- rounded players that are the best talent we can get. We will be able to coach the rest.
“The right fit for Wyoming is guys like us, guys who are excited to be here. We have a plan and we want to execute the plan, and those guys have to be a part of it.
“It’s not about talking them into coming to Wyoming because Wyoming is a different landscape. It’s really the same fundamental whether you are at UCLA or Florida: You still have to want us as much as we want you.”
Q: How much has the college basketball recruiting game changed in the last 10 to 15 years and is it tougher now on so-called mid-major schools like Wyoming to get players?
“It’s probably actually tougher at the UCLAs and Floridas than it is at the Wyoming’s. We will approach recruiting at Wyoming like we did 13 years ago.
“Let’s face it, there weren’t a lot of takers for Josh Davis. So it is our job as a staff to uncover those hidden gems. Those are the kind of kids that we will build on here.
“With the contacts we have built over the years, we will be able to get a good combination of talent and character so that the program is self-fixing from year to year. We don’t want any quick fixes; we want to build a program.”
Q: How soon do you expect to announce players in this first Wyoming recruiting class?
“I would hope that would come sometime within the next 10 days or so. We want to get this thing done as fast as we can, but we don’t want to be harsh in any decision we make, and we don’t want to sign guys just to sign guys.
“We want to be sure that we get the right four guys, maybe the most important four guys that we will sign in terms of not making a mistake on their character, and not making a mistake on their passion for getting better as players.”
This is a quote taken from a boomerang article about Scott Duncan when the staff was hired. I think I remember Coach Shyatt saying similar things but adding that the first 2 or 3 recruiting classes would be focused on character and not as much on the athletics side of basketball. He always followed that up with telling us that when they took care of the image and character of the program then they would start taking more risks in recruiting because the foundation would be laid for the kids on what would be expected of them off the court. I think we have seen this happen with an up tick in the talent that shyatt is recruiting the last 2 years. I am not saying that the first two or three classes weren't talented because Larry Nance jr. and Josh were recruited in the first two classes.
I think the most important aspect that Shyatt looks for in a kid that they are recruiting is a desire to want to progress as a basketball player for four years. In our day and age its hard to find high recruits with that same desire. The recruits now want to get to the NBA quick and don't want to put in the time. I am not saying that we have missed on a bunch of one and done's but I would imagine that philosophy turns some kids off when they are told they might redshirt and they might not play meaningful minutes until their sophomore/junior year. I know Shyatt tells recuits to come and be a piece of something great. I don't think a lot of big time recruits like to be told to be a piece of something special because they and their parents think they are the main event.
I know this is a long post but I also don't agree with people saying our competitiveness has been sub par this year. I counted 6 losses by 6 points or less (5 wins as well) and 5 more losses at 10 points or less. I would say if you are within 6 at the end you could have won that game with a couple of different bounces/plays. If we win all of the 1-6 point losses this year and we still lose all of the 7-10 point games that leaves us with wins over Cal (rpi top 20), Houston (rpi 86), and sweeps over Nevada (rpi 116) and sweeps of Air Force and Montana State. I think this team has great competitiveness and is only getting better. They have had bad games (see Montana state) but they have been really fun to watch and very competitive all year. :twocents:
“It still comes down to who fits our system. We want to get the most well- rounded players that are the best talent we can get. We will be able to coach the rest.
“The right fit for Wyoming is guys like us, guys who are excited to be here. We have a plan and we want to execute the plan, and those guys have to be a part of it.
“It’s not about talking them into coming to Wyoming because Wyoming is a different landscape. It’s really the same fundamental whether you are at UCLA or Florida: You still have to want us as much as we want you.”
Q: How much has the college basketball recruiting game changed in the last 10 to 15 years and is it tougher now on so-called mid-major schools like Wyoming to get players?
“It’s probably actually tougher at the UCLAs and Floridas than it is at the Wyoming’s. We will approach recruiting at Wyoming like we did 13 years ago.
“Let’s face it, there weren’t a lot of takers for Josh Davis. So it is our job as a staff to uncover those hidden gems. Those are the kind of kids that we will build on here.
“With the contacts we have built over the years, we will be able to get a good combination of talent and character so that the program is self-fixing from year to year. We don’t want any quick fixes; we want to build a program.”
Q: How soon do you expect to announce players in this first Wyoming recruiting class?
“I would hope that would come sometime within the next 10 days or so. We want to get this thing done as fast as we can, but we don’t want to be harsh in any decision we make, and we don’t want to sign guys just to sign guys.
“We want to be sure that we get the right four guys, maybe the most important four guys that we will sign in terms of not making a mistake on their character, and not making a mistake on their passion for getting better as players.”
This is a quote taken from a boomerang article about Scott Duncan when the staff was hired. I think I remember Coach Shyatt saying similar things but adding that the first 2 or 3 recruiting classes would be focused on character and not as much on the athletics side of basketball. He always followed that up with telling us that when they took care of the image and character of the program then they would start taking more risks in recruiting because the foundation would be laid for the kids on what would be expected of them off the court. I think we have seen this happen with an up tick in the talent that shyatt is recruiting the last 2 years. I am not saying that the first two or three classes weren't talented because Larry Nance jr. and Josh were recruited in the first two classes.
I think the most important aspect that Shyatt looks for in a kid that they are recruiting is a desire to want to progress as a basketball player for four years. In our day and age its hard to find high recruits with that same desire. The recruits now want to get to the NBA quick and don't want to put in the time. I am not saying that we have missed on a bunch of one and done's but I would imagine that philosophy turns some kids off when they are told they might redshirt and they might not play meaningful minutes until their sophomore/junior year. I know Shyatt tells recuits to come and be a piece of something great. I don't think a lot of big time recruits like to be told to be a piece of something special because they and their parents think they are the main event.
I know this is a long post but I also don't agree with people saying our competitiveness has been sub par this year. I counted 6 losses by 6 points or less (5 wins as well) and 5 more losses at 10 points or less. I would say if you are within 6 at the end you could have won that game with a couple of different bounces/plays. If we win all of the 1-6 point losses this year and we still lose all of the 7-10 point games that leaves us with wins over Cal (rpi top 20), Houston (rpi 86), and sweeps over Nevada (rpi 116) and sweeps of Air Force and Montana State. I think this team has great competitiveness and is only getting better. They have had bad games (see Montana state) but they have been really fun to watch and very competitive all year. :twocents:
PokeTransplant said:
I suspect that Justin Williams is the perfect example of exactly the kind of player that Coach Shyatt will stay away from.
I also suspect that Coach Shyatt does consider the kind of character that one might be comfortable with as a date for one's daughter. (He, of course, has no daughters.)
One possibility that we have not seen here is a grad student transfer. The right guy could instantly inject maturity and help balance classes at the same time. We will not even know which players are available and interested in going the grad transfer route until much later.
Wyolie Coyote
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Why would he stay away from a Justin Williams?WyoExpat said:
Coeur d' Alene
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Wait who were "top 100" kids shroyer brought in? Or next level guys?wiley wapiti said:
I liked the talent level a lot of M'baye, Thiam, desmar Jackson, and AJ Davis. But none of those guys were top 100 recruits were they? None are NBA players right?
Shroyers recruiting ability is getting overblown with time. He brought in good athletes, but nobody that was stick around types and nobody Wyoming fans will remember in another 10 years. If you even remember them now
JimmyDimes
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Coeur d' Alene said:
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/47832
Schroyer could recruit....couldn't coach. Not all his recruits were good however and many only had Wyoming offers. He did find a couple diamonds in the rough...Johnson, Jackson, M'Baye, etc. On the other hand, Shyatt is more selective on who he recruits, but is much better at developing his players.
And for those who suggest Wyoming can't recruit....we have put the 2nd most players in the NBA of all MWC team next to UNLV. Maybe not on par with some of the bigger schools nationally, but we hold our own.
All of Shyatt's first year recruits are all playing professional basketball.
