Rumor from CO SP and Albq..BYU to MWC..EOM

[Wyo2dal]

SDSU makes 12, They can't afford to turn it down. BYU makes 13 but we could see a BYU Olympic sports only no football. That could allow it to stop at 12. I see BYU full membership for 13 then they will add UTEP as the 14th to solidify the league. They will keep pushing for SMU/Houston for 15/16 they can easily get utep as the 14th and stop there but it makes more sense to kill the big east off.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

If I had to tak an educated guess:

BYU: for Oly Sports to balance Hawaii and a scheduling agreement in 2013. One thing that is so important to remember is that BYU has a set schedule for the next couple of years and no way could they afford to buy out of all those games to play a full MWC schedule.

SDSU: Absolutely they are in on the MWC's terms. SDSU has no leverage and no choice really.

Houston/SMU/Tulsa/Rice/UTEP: A combination of some of these teams will come aboard for the 2014 season. The MWC's goal is Houston/SMU but would also settle for Tulsa/UTEP.

There will be 12 full-time football members in 2013.

There will be 14 or 16 full time football members in 2014.

 

[Wyo2dal]

I agree completely it will make the strongest conference outside of the power conferences.

 

[WYCowboy]

See sdsu screwed themselves because of 2 things, 1. They have until Jan 31st and 2. They have 0 room to negotiate they have to take whatever the MWC is offering and you can bet they won't come in smelling like roses.

Dal, my guess is that the deadline is closer - like maybe the 15th of Jan. That way, the MWC still has time to offer someone else if suds doesn't decide to come over.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

See sdsu screwed themselves because of 2 things, 1. They have until Jan 31st and 2. They have 0 room to negotiate they have to take whatever the MWC is offering and you can bet they won't come in smelling like roses.

Dal, my guess is that the deadline is closer - like maybe the 15th of Jan. That way, the MWC still has time to offer someone else if suds doesn't decide to come over.

NO. It is in the term sheet with Boise State that the first refusal period is until Jan. 31. Boise had SDSU's back.

 

[WYCowboy]

See sdsu screwed themselves because of 2 things, 1. They have until Jan 31st and 2. They have 0 room to negotiate they have to take whatever the MWC is offering and you can bet they won't come in smelling like roses.

Dal, my guess is that the deadline is closer - like maybe the 15th of Jan. That way, the MWC still has time to offer someone else if suds doesn't decide to come over.

NO. It is in the term sheet with Boise State that the first refusal period is until Jan. 31. Boise had SDSU's back.

Maybe I missed it, but I have not seen that in writing.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

See sdsu screwed themselves because of 2 things, 1. They have until Jan 31st and 2. They have 0 room to negotiate they have to take whatever the MWC is offering and you can bet they won't come in smelling like roses.

Dal, my guess is that the deadline is closer - like maybe the 15th of Jan. That way, the MWC still has time to offer someone else if suds doesn't decide to come over.

NO. It is in the term sheet with Boise State that the first refusal period is until Jan. 31. Boise had SDSU's back.

Maybe I missed it, but I have not seen that in writing.

It is. SDSU has rights as a 3rd party beneficiary to the Boise-MWC contract.

 

[J-Rod]

SDSU gets the first interview......doesn't mean the MWC presidents accept. Its already been reported that they currently don't have the votes.

 

[Wyo2dal]

SDSU gets the first interview......doesn't mean the MWC presidents accept. Its already been reported that they currently don't have the votes.

It's not really an interview and it's not about MWC accepting. It's simply MWC offers sdsu before offering any other schools and sdsu accepts or declines. They could try to negotiate but they just aren't in a position to make demands. They really don't have a choice and MWC doesn't have to be nice about the offer they just have to be fair.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

SDSU gets the first interview......doesn't mean the MWC presidents accept. Its already been reported that they currently don't have the votes.

Not really true. I read the contract. The MWC must offer SDSU admittance to the MWC, the terms are what are negotiable. The MWC cannot simply vote to not offer SDSU as that would violate the contract they already agreed to with BSU. The wrinkle is that the contract is not between SDSU and the MWC but SDSU does have rights to enter into good fatih negotiations as to what the offered terms will be as a 3rd party beneficiary.

"The Votes" is likely whether to put a poison pill into the SDSU offer. A poison pill may be a 10 million dollar re-admittance fee or something to that respect.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Actually I should clarify...the MWC must offer SDSU if it intends to offer any other school before jan. 31. The MWC could decide to offer noone before Jan. 31 (assuming that SDSU has not already declined the offer).

 

[whyoh]

If the rumors are true, it means either San Diego State has already accepted or said no. I'm guessing they accepted the invite, because you'd have to be a damn fool to stick with the train wreck that is the Big East. If both are in, I'm guessing the MWC invites old conference mate UTEP back into the fold.

A lot of people think that 16 teams is the answer, but I think that 14 would be big enough. You have to consider that Air Force needs a minimum of 4 OOC games a year for football because they're locked in with Army and Navy. If UTEP, BYU, and SDSU are all in, divisions would probably look like this:

Mountain Division
Wyoming
Colorado State
New Mexico
UTEP
Utah State
BYU

West Division
Hawaii
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
UNLV
Nevada
Boise State

soooo....no air force then?

 

[Wyokie]

If the rumors are true, it means either San Diego State has already accepted or said no. I'm guessing they accepted the invite, because you'd have to be a damn fool to stick with the train wreck that is the Big East. If both are in, I'm guessing the MWC invites old conference mate UTEP back into the fold.

A lot of people think that 16 teams is the answer, but I think that 14 would be big enough. You have to consider that Air Force needs a minimum of 4 OOC games a year for football because they're locked in with Army and Navy. If UTEP, BYU, and SDSU are all in, divisions would probably look like this:

Mountain Division
Wyoming
Colorado State
New Mexico
UTEP
Utah State
BYU

West Division
Hawaii
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
UNLV
Nevada
Boise State

soooo....no air force then?

And the divisions are uneven. Both are supposed have a 7/7 split, not a 6/7 split.

 

[Bryoming]

If the rumors are true, it means either San Diego State has already accepted or said no. I'm guessing they accepted the invite, because you'd have to be a damn fool to stick with the train wreck that is the Big East. If both are in, I'm guessing the MWC invites old conference mate UTEP back into the fold.

A lot of people think that 16 teams is the answer, but I think that 14 would be big enough. You have to consider that Air Force needs a minimum of 4 OOC games a year for football because they're locked in with Army and Navy. If UTEP, BYU, and SDSU are all in, divisions would probably look like this:

Mountain Division
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
UTEP
Utah State
BYU

West Division
Hawaii
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
UNLV
Nevada
Boise State

soooo....no air force then?

And the divisions are uneven. Both are supposed have a 7/7 split, not a 6/7 split.

Derp. Forgot to put Air Force in the Mountain Division. I fixed it.

 

[Bryoming]

If 16 though, it opens the door for Houston and SMU, 2 places that the Front Range schools do a lot of recruiting.

You guys aren't thinking this 16 team thing through all the way. It's a lock that we will be playing 8 conference games every year because Air Force has to have 4 OOC openings. If we were to have 16 teams including Houston, UTEP, and SMU, the divisions would look something like this:

Mountain Division
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
UTEP
Houston
SMU
BYU

West Division
Hawaii
San Diego State
San Jose State
Fresno State
UNLV
Nevada
Boise State
Utah State

The big problem this will cause is the lack of exposure for the Mountain teams in California, and the lack of exposure for the West teams in Texas. This lack will come from having to play 7 division games each year with only 1 crossover game. That's not going to fly. With a 14 team league you would play 6 division games with 2 crossover games every season. That is doable, because you could have 1 game against one of the California teams every year and one game against one of the other teams in the division. I know that this isn't as big of an exposure in Texas, but it gets far too unwieldy to make everyone happy when you try to put too many teams into the conference.

 

[Bryoming]

Another reason that I think we'll end up at 14 is because Boise will want to be in the same division as Fresno and Nevada. As it stands now (assuming that SDSU is in), the conference will definitely look like this:

Mountain Division
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Utah State
Boise State

West Division
Hawaii
San Diego State
Fresno State
San Jose State
UNLV
Nevada

Everyone would be perfectly happy with this conference lineup except for Boise, which is why I think they'll push to add two more teams closer to the front range schools.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

If 16 though, it opens the door for Houston and SMU, 2 places that the Front Range schools do a lot of recruiting.

You guys aren't thinking this 16 team thing through all the way. It's a lock that we will be playing 8 conference games every year because Air Force has to have 4 OOC openings.

This lack will come from having to play 7 division games each year with only 1 crossover game. That's not going to fly. .

I came up with a brilliant and novel idea...how about scheduling pods!!

You know, maybe something like this:

Pod 1: Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno St, San Jose St

Pod 2: UNLV, Air Force, Colorado St, Wyoming

Pod 3: BYU, Utah, New Mexico, UTEP

Pod 4: Tulsa, Texas Christian, Southern Methodist, Rice

 

[Bryoming]

If 16 though, it opens the door for Houston and SMU, 2 places that the Front Range schools do a lot of recruiting.

You guys aren't thinking this 16 team thing through all the way. It's a lock that we will be playing 8 conference games every year because Air Force has to have 4 OOC openings.

This lack will come from having to play 7 division games each year with only 1 crossover game. That's not going to fly. .

I came up with a brilliant and novel idea...how about scheduling pods!!

You know, maybe something like this:

Pod 1: Hawaii, San Diego St, Fresno St, San Jose St

Pod 2: UNLV, Air Force, Colorado St, Wyoming

Pod 3: BYU, Utah, New Mexico, UTEP

Pod 4: Tulsa, Texas Christian, Southern Methodist, Rice

Brilliant! There's no way that would fail!

 

[OrediggerPoke]

Welcome back SDSU...

 

[Wyokie]

Welcome back SDSU...

That was quick!

So who's next to join?